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Rod Speed · Jun 29, 2006

Horst Franke said:
Rod Speed wrote

Hi Rod, rubbish!

Lo horstshit, fraid not!!!!

My news reader will read ALL news available on my news server (mirrored from the
original server).

Your news server has always been, and always
will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

WHAT MATTERS IS THE NEWS SERVER THAT OTHERS USE.

Don't know what You use in the states

So stupid it hasnt even noticed that I aint even in the states.

but a news reader here is a news reader that might read ALL and every news!

STILL depends on the NEWS SERVER, not
the news reader, you stupid pig ignorant child.

Arno Wagner · Jun 29, 2006

Previously Horst Franke said:
In news:[email protected] Arno Wagner typed:

Hi Arno, I don't understand these statements.
About what news reader are You talking?

The pice of software used to access a newsgreoup? Like this one?

Arno

Arno Wagner · Jun 29, 2006

Hello, Horst:

"Usenet" is derived from "Users' Network," a distributed bulletin board
system, which began at Duke University (USA), in 1979.

You didn't think the "Us" in Usenet, stood for the United States, did
you?

LOL, now I understand what he meant! Seems somebody has
problems with Internet history and terminology....

Arno

John Turco · Jul 1, 2006

Horst said:
In news:[email protected] John Turco typed:

Hi John , no never. US is no more in advance to the rest of the world!
This might have been valid till 1946 but since then lost more and more
competence (especially since the IRAK qruises).

Hello, Horst:

The US is the only true "superpower" (economic, military, technological)
that has ever existed -- so, deal with it. (Germany ain't too shabby,

either said:
Why is G.W.Bush still in command?

Because his second term isn't finished, yet? ;-)

Nothing against that. And it CAN read news server postings!
So there's no need for any SEVEN level reflected postings!
That was what I complained.

That's the "nitpicking" I referred to, before. I'm on a miserable
dial-up connection, and have no problems downloading articles, daily,
even when they number in the hundreds (as is often the case, for
example, in
Therefore, wasting "bandwidth" is no longer a major concern, with the
possible exception of binary newsgroups.

Why does this so-called "SEVEN level reflected postings" stuff bother
you, to such an obsessive degree?

And thus giving a good platform for address spammers ;-(
Here in Europe there's no need for Google, as the local news servers
provide a mirror of other news servers.

Google is a powerful resource, for the entire world. The fact that it's
abused by a relative handful of bums (as everything else is, naturally)
doesn't negate its overall usefulness.

No problem. This is a function of news servers I know.

What happens when one's news server suffers a temporary crash, however?
Mine (news.concentric.net) has normally been highly reliable, but on the
rare occasions it went down, Google Groups came to my rescue.

Web-based news/mail "servers" do enjoy certain advantages said:
OK, but that's only one site of my arguments.
And "BAD quoting habits" are a well known missuse of the usenet.
Otherwise I also only post technical arguments.

Sorry, I must disagree. Too much of your time is devoted to pointless
debates, involving imaginary "Netiquette" issues.

No more need to learn by myself (already done for 6 years)!
Therefore sometimes remindung usenet rules!
That's me who will have to download that nonsens quotings!

Well, I first became an online subscriber, around ten and a half
years ago, and discovered Usenet, shortly thereafter. I consider
"learning" a never-ending experience, and want to focus my attention
on computer-related subjects, not silly "usenet rules."

That's never been my intend, sorry. I prefer "pure technical statements".
Horst

Then, get crackin', mein gut freund! :-D

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

John Turco · Jul 1, 2006

Rod said:
Odd how they managed to **** you krauts over so effectively in the war.

No might about it.

Odd, as far as I noticed they managed to invent the transistor,
the integrated circuit, the internet, the PC, etc etc etc since then.

Hell of a lot better than you krauts have ever managed since then.

<cut remainder of message(s), for brevity>

Hello, Rod:

Please, don't forget the laser, instant film, hard disk drive, digital
camera, etc., etc. <g>

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

John Turco · Jul 1, 2006

Arno said:
LOL, now I understand what he meant! Seems somebody has
problems with Internet history and terminology....

Arno

Hello, Arno:

Horst Franke seems to be under the mistaken impression that our
newsgroup's (regular membership
is American-dominated. Here's a partial, international "scorecard,"
for his (and anyone else's) benefit:

Australia - Rod Speed

Canada - Eric Gisin, Peter ("foxghost")

France - Antoine Leca

Germany - Horst Franke

Israel - Zvi Netiv

Netherlands - Joep, Folkert Rienstra

Switzerland - Arno Wagner

United Kingdom - Odie Ferrous, Frazer Jolly Goodfellow, Mike Redrobe,
Mike Tomlinson

United States - John Clarke, Ron Reaugh*, John Turco, chrisv

* Ron Reaugh is this group's all-time, most prolific poster (14,051);
although, Rod Speed is beginning to close the gap on him.

He appears to have "vanished" from Usenet, in September of 2005.

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

Rod Speed · Jul 1, 2006

John Turco said:
Rod Speed wrote

<cut remainder of message(s), for brevity>

Hello, Rod:

Please, don't forget the laser, instant film,
hard disk drive, digital camera, etc., etc. <g>

He's gunna burst into tears if you dont watch out |-)

The ICMB, stealth bombers, cruise missiles, the H bomb, etc etc etc too.

Folkert Rienstra · Jul 1, 2006

John Turco said:
Hello, Arno:

Horst Franke seems to be under the mistaken impression that our
newsgroup's (regular membership
is American-dominated. Here's a partial, international "scorecard,"
for his (and anyone else's) benefit:

Australia - Rod Speed

Canada - Eric Gisin, Peter ("foxghost")

France - Antoine Leca

Germany -

Israel - Zvi Netiv

Netherlands - Folkert Rienstra

Switzerland - Arno Wagner

United Kingdom - Odie Ferrous, Frazer Jolly Goodfellow, Mike Redrobe,
Mike Tomlinson

United States - John Clarke, Ron Reaugh*, John Turco, chrisv

Regular huh?

* Ron Reaugh is this group's all-time, most prolific poster (14,051);

although, Rod Speed is beginning to close the gap on him.

What, he still hasn't? Pathetic really.
What about our babblehead, it babbles it's head off. It must be
closing in, right? Even goes so far as posting empty messages lately.

He appears to have "vanished" from Usenet, in September of 2005.

More like november 2004. 2005 merely saw his last spasms.

Arno Wagner · Jul 1, 2006

Previously John Turco said:
Hello, Arno:

Horst Franke seems to be under the mistaken impression that our
newsgroup's (regular membership
is American-dominated.

Something that some US scitizens are prone to think. I still don't
understand why. Maybe because they believe the rest of the world
is much more primitive than the US? Interesting data BTW.

Arno

Here's a partial, international "scorecard,"
for his (and anyone else's) benefit:

Australia - Rod Speed

Canada - Eric Gisin, Peter ("foxghost")

France - Antoine Leca

Germany - Horst Franke

Israel - Zvi Netiv

Netherlands - Joep, Folkert Rienstra

Switzerland - Arno Wagner

United Kingdom - Odie Ferrous, Frazer Jolly Goodfellow, Mike Redrobe,
Mike Tomlinson

United States - John Clarke, Ron Reaugh*, John Turco, chrisv

Arno Wagner · Jul 1, 2006

Hello, Horst:

The US is the only true "superpower" (economic, military, technological)
that has ever existed -- so, deal with it. (Germany ain't too shabby,
either, for an "Old World" peasant society. <g>)

Well, we will see. Although Gemany is not doing so hot at the moment,
every time I compare the Euro against the USD, it seems the USD
is worth less. I think that the EU will in time replace the US as
predominant. May take another 50 years or so, but the foundation
is much, much better and I don't realluy see the US standing a
chance.

Arno

345 · Jul 1, 2006

Well, we will see. Although Gemany is not doing so hot at the moment,
every time I compare the Euro against the USD, it seems the USD
is worth less. I think that the EU will in time replace the US as
predominant. May take another 50 years or so, but the foundation
is much, much better and I don't realluy see the US standing a chance.

More fool you. Have a look at where stuff has been invented since the war.

Hint: it aint europe with the sole exception of mindless
socialism and being stupid enough to let unelected EU
bureaucrats stick their noses into everyone's affairs.

There's a reason that the unemployment
rate is MUCH higher in some EU countrys.

John Turco · Jul 2, 2006

Rod said:
He's gunna burst into tears if you dont watch out |-)

The ICMB, stealth bombers, cruise missiles, the H bomb, etc etc etc too.

Hello, Rod:

We're so cruel! :-)

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

John Turco · Jul 2, 2006

345 said:
More fool you. Have a look at where stuff has been invented since the war.

Hint: it aint europe with the sole exception of mindless
socialism and being stupid enough to let unelected EU
bureaucrats stick their noses into everyone's affairs.

There's a reason that the unemployment
rate is MUCH higher in some EU countrys.

Hello, Rod:

Oh, Horst and Arno are simply in denial. Your attempts at shattering
their delusions are likely doomed to failure, alas. <g>

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

John Turco · Jul 2, 2006

Arno said:
Something that some US scitizens are prone to think. I still don't
understand why. Maybe because they believe the rest of the world
is much more primitive than the US? Interesting data BTW.

Arno

<edited>

Hello, Arno:

Perception is reality, sometimes. <g>

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

John Turco · Jul 2, 2006

Arno said:
Well, we will see. Although Gemany is not doing so hot at the moment,
every time I compare the Euro against the USD, it seems the USD
is worth less. I think that the EU will in time replace the US as
predominant. May take another 50 years or so, but the foundation
is much, much better and I don't realluy see the US standing a
chance.

Arno

Hello, Arno:

Wow, >only< 50 years? That EU of yours must be an incredibly dynamic
force! :-J

All kidding aside, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison: The US is a
country, Europe is a continent. With the EU being a conglomeration of
many significant (and far older) nations, it should already be
preeminent, no?

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

John Turco · Jul 2, 2006

Folkert said:
Regular huh?

What, he still hasn't? Pathetic really.

Hello, Folkert:

Give him a chance, okay? Rod has approximately 10,972 messages, right
now, and sent about 245 of them, this past June, alone. At that rate,
he should catch Ron, within a couple of years. (Barring Ron's return,
of course.)

What about our babblehead, it babbles it's head off. It must be
closing in, right? Even goes so far as posting empty messages lately.

Arno? He's just a piker, at 2337. :-P

(By the way, I'm slightly over 300, and you're around 4324.)

More like november 2004. 2005 merely saw his last spasms.

<edited>

His Google Groups overall "Profile" is a bit skewed, as he would
disappear from Usenet, for stretches of several months.

Curiously, during his first year (1996), he made only one post (in
August).

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

Arno Wagner · Jul 2, 2006

Previously John Turco said:
Hello, Arno:

Wow, >only< 50 years? That EU of yours must be an incredibly dynamic
force! :-J

All kidding aside, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison: The US is a
country, Europe is a continent. With the EU being a conglomeration of
many significant (and far older) nations, it should already be
preeminent, no?

Well, it is a new type of beast. No real precedent in histroy.
The closest would be the US, but the states there are not
different in the way the EU states are.

Arno

Folkert Rienstra · Jul 2, 2006

John Turco said:
Hello, Folkert:

Give him a chance, okay? Rod has approximately 10,972 messages, right
now, and sent about 245 of them, this past June, alone. At that rate,
he should catch Ron, within a couple of years. (Barring Ron's return,
of course.)

Arno? He's just a piker, at 2337.

(By the way, I'm slightly over 300,

and you're around 4324.)

more like 5500, if you count my early years on HCCnet and Freeler.

Note that Google profiling doesn't make use of the nyms but just the
sender address that goes with that partiular nym at that particular time.

My fault. Google is broken:
Results 1 - 10 of *1,550* from Jan 1, 2004 to Dec 31, 2004 for author:ron author:reaugh

But at the 11th page:
Results 101 - 107 of *107* from Jan 1, 2004 to Dec 31, 2004 for author:ron author:reaugh (0.25 second

<edited>

His Google Groups overall "Profile" is a bit skewed, as he would
disappear from Usenet, for stretches of several months.

Curiously, during his first year (1996), he made only one post

Similar with Rod. Probably from a crosspost from some aus. group.
Rod 'as always' doing his worst. It was several months to a year later
that he showed up full force in csiphs.

(in news:comp.periphs.scsi, August).

Which is where Ron's interest was at that time (and mine).

Horst Franke · Jul 3, 2006

In news:[email protected] Arno Wagner typed:

The pice of software used to access a newsgreoup? Like this one?

Ok: User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.12.2 (i686))
Never heard of this. And thus old: 1999!
Horst

Horst Franke · Jul 3, 2006

In news:[email protected] John Turco typed:

That's the "nitpicking" I referred to, before. I'm on a miserable
dial-up connection, and have no problems downloading articles, daily,
even when they number in the hundreds (as is often the case, for
example, in news:rec.photo.digital).

Hi John, don't understand.
You use dial-up connection and then likes 7-level postings without
the new responder NEVER taking into account on those old statements?
All previous 6-levels were already recorded in the newsgroup!
So why do You like to download them again?

Therefore, wasting "bandwidth" is no longer a major concern, with the
possible exception of binary newsgroups.

Bandwith has nothing to do with binaries but with Your dial up costs!

Why does this so-called "SEVEN level reflected postings" stuff bother
you, to such an obsessive degree?

Because it's pure overload and none of the previous levels would be
ever be referenced to in the answer!
When something was referenced without being responded to then it's
unnecessary overhead.

Google is a powerful resource, for the entire world. The fact that
it's abused by a relative handful of bums (as everything else is,
naturally) doesn't negate its overall usefulness.

No doubt, but this does not qualify it as reference for what already
appeared in a newsgroup itself.

What happens when one's news server suffers a temporary crash,
however? Mine (news.concentric.net) has normally been highly
reliable, but on the rare occasions it went down, Google Groups came
to my rescue.

No problem, after recovery You'll be able to reread lost issues.

Web-based news/mail "servers" do enjoy certain advantages, Horst. <g>

Sure, but not when I already read issues from the real newsserver.
Then Google works only as a backup.

Sorry, I must disagree. Too much of your time is devoted to pointless
debates, involving imaginary "Netiquette" issues.

NO, this happens only on extremes like 7-level postings!
Or what do You think on following:
I agree

me too

Well, I first became an online subscriber, around ten and a half
years ago, and discovered Usenet, shortly thereafter. I consider
"learning" a never-ending experience, and want to focus my attention
on computer-related subjects, not silly "usenet rules."

That's right but no real use on statements telling nothing else than before.
Horst