Yes, your color printer is spying on you

[Rod Speed]

I suggest that before people say it doesn't matter unless you break
the law, you go find a history book and read about The Federalist
Papers, which were instrumental in our country's foundation.

That aint the current situation, stupid.

And anyone with a clue who wants to do
subversive things wont be printing it out, stupid.

They were written anonymously by (we
now know) Hamilton, Madison and Jay.

Had they had a printer which they knew could
reveal their identities, they might not have written.

Or they may not have been silly enough to print it.

The First Amendment doesn't say anything about yellow toner.

Pathetic, really.

Doesnt say anything about fingerprints or DNA either.

 

[Rod Speed]

Shaun Eli wrote
now know) Hamilton, Madison and Jay.

If they were published under the Orwellian rule of a government
that had the ability to collate every document to its author,

Pity that aint even possible.

we might not have retained the right to even discuss this at *all*.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed paranoid fantasys.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Yeah, well... that's just been proved a whole lot easier in *all* cases,
Lie.

and unavioadable in many or most.
Lie.

If you discount everyone except off the shelf buyers who pay cash
and buy considerable distances from their homes, you have a point.

I have a point with a hell of a lot more situations than just that one.

If you include the vast majority of personal and business consumers,
you're simply looking at the problem with very narrow vision.

Another lie.

Red herring.

Another lie.

Personal identification is an absolute necessity in those scenarios.

Another lie.

It's not necessary to the printing of a document.

It doesnt happen when printing a document either.

I'll be over tomorrow to install the software that
tracks your every move on the net. It's OK with
you, right? You have nothing to hide after all...

That is correct, I have nothing to hide.

I dont give a flying red **** that most of my purchases
are trackable to me because I use a card either.

Ditto with all my phone calls, and some of my movements too.

You're right. Social Security numbers are one of the most abused
forms of "identification" in use today. Thanks for pointing that out.

Pathetic, really.

 

[Rod Speed]

It's not just the government. These yellow 'signatures' have
been decoded by other groups now, and that information will
soon become public knowledge. Everybody will be able to
determine the source of a document
Lie.

and take whatever retribution against the author they like.

They get to deal with rotty and the shotty if they are that stupid.

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Pity that aint even possible.

You truly think it's a "shame" that government's can't ID the author of
every document?

If that's the case, it says more about you than it does the reasons you'd
pose such inane, narrow minded arguments. Your arguments could be mere
mistakes, but your dejection at the inability of your handlers to monitor
you is insidious.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed paranoid fantasys.

There's ya' go... fire off a salvo of ad hom. Always a sure fire way to get
your point across. <snicker>

--
Hand crafted on October 20, 2005 at 17:12:54 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Abe]

EFF reveals codes in Xerox printers

NEW YORK (AP) -- Just because a document from a color laser printer
doesn't carry your name doesn't mean no one can trace it back to you,
privacy advocates warn.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation says it has cracked the tracking
codes embedded in Xerox Corp.'s DocuColor color laser printers. Such
codes are just one way that manufacturers employ technology to help
governments fight currency counterfeiting.

If you want to see exactly how it works, see

http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2005_10.php#004063

and

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor/

 

[Gordon Burditt]

The serial number and the date.

How does a printer, or standalone copier, know the date and time?
Why would anyone bother to set it accurately?

If it's network-connected it can probably find out, say, from a
server at the printer manufacturer. If it's a low-end printer
connected through a parallel port to a computer, how would it
get the date? If it's a standalone copier, same issue?

Gordon L. Burditt

 

[William Souden]

umbers.


Pathetic, really.

Ignorant Rod has no idea how the number is the start of identity theft.
Then again, who wants to steal the identity of a welfare loser?

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Plenty of obvious ways around that.

Pretend they're not so obvious, and enumerate them.

And I couldnt give a flying red **** about them being able to
work out which printer a particular page was printed on anyway,
I almost never print anything that leaves my place, and I couldnt
care less if what I print is identified to my printer anyway.

That's you. Now what about every one else? Or is your privacy the only
privacy that matters?

Who cares ? I dont need one of those printers.

Obviously you *are* the only person worthy of the right to privacy on your
planet. I mistakenly thought you were a member of the human species. My
bad.

Lie. It isnt a digital signature, its just the serial
number of the printer and the datestamp.

It most certainly is. It's a marking that denotes the originator of a
document, produced by a digital device. Not a classical cryptographic
digital signature, but essentially the same thing.

Another lie. Its nothing like a real RFID.

Thus the paraphrasing quotes. It is however a (suppose to be hidden) form of
identification that travels with the document at all times. Just like an
RFID tag travels with it's host.

Clowns like you wont be putting anything into anything of mine.

Why? You have nothing top hide. You said so. You have no problem with the
documents you print having your digital "thumb prints" on them, what's the
difference between that and a beacon attached to everything else?

Methinks me sells a hypocrite...

--
Hand crafted on October 20, 2005 at 17:18:35 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Never ever said anything like that. I JUST said that
that particular printer clearly isnt SPYING on anyone.

No, printers don't have that ability. They're inanimate objects. It's the
people reading the documents that you have to be concerned about. Being
from another planet maybe you're having trouble making the distinction?

Different issue entirely.

How so? One is paper and the other digital. They're both just data coming
from your computer hardware. Why do you have no problem with the paper
copies having identifying marks, but balk at the binary versions being
tagged? They may in fact be the exact same text in many cases.

Pathetic, really.

How so? Claiming something doesn't make it true. In fact broad dismissals
like this tend to make people believe you're hiding something. It's in your
best interest at this point to retain some credibility by explaining what's
"pathetic" about my offer.

FWIW, it really wouldn't be *too* much trouble for me to hand you some code
that would tag all your packets. Why would you not trust me, but trust
other strangers?

No you cant.

You were made to use your printer without such knowledge, whose to say I
haven't already installed my packet marking software on your system?

Wota terminal ****wit.

Just a friendly warning by the way... you should Google someone before you
get all chest puffy with them. You may take one too many pokes at me, and
find you're pulling back a bloody stumps.

--
Hand crafted on October 20, 2005 at 17:27:29 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Simple solution, go down to any Sally Anne, St Vincent d'Paul type
thrift shop and buy a used printer for $5.00- $15.00 and be a subversive
as you like, then ditch the printer ;~)

Might work... if you knew about your printer tagging your documents in the
first place that is. Remember this was *suppose* to be on the QT.

Sorta makes one wonder what else manufacturers have installed in their
hardware or software to keep tabs on the BadGuys(tm), doesn't it?

--
Hand crafted on October 20, 2005 at 17:48:33 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

How does a printer, or standalone copier, know the date and time?

Once you leave the realm of the home PC world most printers and and almost
all copier have this ability to tell time on their own.

Why would anyone bother to set it accurately?

It's... "normal"?

If it's network-connected it can probably find out, say, from a
server at the printer manufacturer. If it's a low-end printer
connected through a parallel port to a computer, how would it
get the date?

From the PC it's connected to.

If it's a standalone copier, same issue?

From the person who maintains that copier.

FWIW, there's some very valid reasons for having copiers and other
standalone hardware know accurate times and dates. Businesses generally
like to keep track on such things, for instance.

Please try to think outside the "PC-Home-User" box.

--
Hand crafted on October 20, 2005 at 17:52:41 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Lie.

Ummm... you do realize that some of those "everybodys" were the ones that
figured it out, right?

Or were you sleeping?

They get to deal with rotty and the shotty if they are that stupid.

Adolescent delusions of grandeur... amusing, but not very meaningful.

--
Hand crafted on October 20, 2005 at 17:59:00 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Pretend they're not so obvious, and enumerate them.

Dont get it new, get it where no one will ever know
you because you only went there the once, and there
is nothing special about you that can be used to identify
you, get someone else to get it for you, etc etc etc.

Not a shred of rocket science required at all.

That's you.

Thats anyone with a clue.

Now what about every one else?

Hardly any of them care either, most arent that mindlessly paranoid.

And have enough of a clue to do things
differently if they are doing something illegal.

Or is your privacy the only privacy that matters?

Pathetic, really.

Obviously you *are* the only person worthy of the
right to privacy on your planet. I mistakenly thought
you were a member of the human species.

Pathetic, really.

My bad.

Your mindless shit, actually.

It most certainly is.
Nope.

It's a marking that denotes the originator of
a document, produced by a digital device.

Useless to determine the individual if that individual cares.

Not a classical cryptographic digital
signature, but essentially the same thing.

Crap, nothing like it.

Thus the paraphrasing quotes.

Still NOTHING like a real RFID, you're lying, again.

It is however a (suppose to be hidden) form of
identification that travels with the document at all times.

Nothing like a real RFID, any more than your DNA is either.

Just like an RFID tag travels with it's host.

Nothing like like a real RFID.

Why?

Because you're so stupid you wont be able to manage it.

You have nothing to hide. You said so. You have no
problem with the documents you print having your
digital "thumb prints" on them, what's the difference
between that and a beacon attached to everything else?

Methinks me sells a hypocrite...

I know a smell a pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist/mindless paranoid
hysteric.

Watch out for those black helicopters, wanker.

 

[Steve]

Adolescent delusions of grandeur... amusing, but not very meaningful.

Close, but unfortunately he has a long ways to go to reach
adolescence.



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Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of it.

....P.J. O'Rourke

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

You truly think it's a "shame" that government's
can't ID the author of every document?

Nope, you ****ed up completely, as always.

If that's the case, it says more about you than it does the
reasons you'd pose such inane, narrow minded arguments.

Any two year old could do better than that pathetic effort.

Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone is
actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

Your arguments could be mere mistakes, but your dejection
at the inability of your handlers to monitor you is insidious.

Try again, in english next time, but only with a two year old.

There's ya' go... fire off a salvo of ad hom. Always
a sure fire way to get your point across. <snicker>

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Lie.

Another lie.

Another lie.

[...]

Keep clicking those red slippers together and chanting Dorothy...

Another lie.

I see. On your planet bank accounts and drivers licenses are issued to
people with no ID. And those things are secure without them.

Truly fascinating.

It doesnt happen when printing a document either.

Oh. I didn't realize the EFF just made all this up. Sorry. The list of
printer/copier manufacturers they've published will no doubt be taking
legal action soon. Clear case of liable.

Oh wait... at least one of those companies have already verified the
information as true.

Ooops.

That is correct, I have nothing to hide.

What's your street address? Hell, just an email will do. You can install the
stuff yourself and at *least* be further ahead of the game than
unsuspecting printer buyers.

I dont give a flying red **** that most of my purchases
are trackable to me because I use a card either.

Great! What's that address again?

Pathetic, really.

"There's no place like home... there's no place like home...."

<snicker>

--
Hand crafted on October 20, 2005 at 18:11:11 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

No, printers don't have that ability. They're inanimate
objects. It's the people reading the documents that
you have to be concerned about. Being from another
planet maybe you're having trouble making the distinction?

Pathetic, really.

How so?

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

One is paper and the other digital.

You quite sure you aint actually one of
those rocket scientist paranoid hysterics ?

They're both just data coming from your computer hardware.
Why do you have no problem with the paper copies having
identifying marks, but balk at the binary versions being tagged?

Didnt say anything about baulk, stupid.

They may in fact be the exact same text in many cases.

And may not in many more.

I'm quite happy that useful steps are taken to make illegal
activity like forging currency and other documents illegal.
Essentially because its in my interests for that to be done.

How so? Claiming something doesn't make it true. In fact broad
dismissals like this tend to make people believe you're hiding
something. It's in your best interest at this point to retain some
credibility by explaining what's "pathetic" about my offer.

Pathetic, really.

FWIW, it really wouldn't be *too* much trouble for me
to hand you some code that would tag all your packets.
Why would you not trust me, but trust other strangers?

Pathetic, really.

You were made to use your printer without such knowledge,

No I wasnt.

whose to say I haven't already installed my
packet marking software on your system?

Completely trivial to check that.

Just a friendly warning by the way... you should Google someone
before you get all chest puffy with them. You may take one too
many pokes at me, and find you're pulling back a bloody stumps.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Might work... if you knew about your printer tagging your documents
in the first place that is. Remember this was *suppose* to be on the
QT.

Sorta makes one wonder what else manufacturers have installed in their
hardware or software to keep tabs on the BadGuys(tm), doesn't it?

Nope, I leave that to the mindless hysterics.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Ummm... you do realize that some of those "
everybodys" were the ones that figured it out, right?

Separate matter entirely to whether they
can work out who has which printer, stupid.

<reams of your peurile shit flushed where it belongs>