Yes, your color printer is spying on you

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

But if the copier has a clock with *NO KNOWN FUNCTION*, who would
bother to set it? If they even knew it existed? Now, if they were

If a keyboard had a 'Shift' key with no known function, why would people
bother to properly capitalize propper names and the beginnings of
sentences?

What's your point here... that because some people can't find their 'Shift'
key, they're all useless?

actually using a log of who copied how much, or used a fax transmission
log often, or whatever, they'd worry more about it. But I don't

Depending on your location, sending a fax without a time stamp and
identification may be a crime.

recall working at or seeing a place where you had to identify
yourself to the copier to make copies, and just a time log of copies
made with no added data seems rather worthless.

I know of scores of places where you have to "identify" yourself to a
copier. Offices that track copier usage by job, and places that charge
individuals or departments for copier use comprise most of them. But I was
in an manufacturer's facility once where the office "document management
tool" (Yeah, I know) was used to help comply with a quality audit trail
demanded by Mil Specs. The time and date a document was printed became an
issue, and the printer's date signature was one of the accepted
"centralized" sources of date stamps that helped satisfy that requirement.

Medical applications read funny squares of yellow dots in a code
that's only recently been cracked?

Cute. The context was office equipment needing to know about the time, and
you managed to wriggle in "identity" on top of that. Now you're playing
kids games and bringing up dot patterns again.

That's one bombast and one tap dance... :-(

Why? Are you saying the copier's clock is the only thing capable
of determining when the warranty or service contract expires?

Nope. I'm saying that's the way it's done because the feature's there, and
it's easier or even better than doing it another way.

Especially on the network-capable printers, I don't ever recall
having to install a product-specific driver on any computer that
sent print jobs to the printer. Or even tell anything what model

Huh???

I don't ever remember *not* having to install printer drivers for a
networked printer, Gordon. Yeah, in modern times operating systems come
with quite a few serviceable drivers for a large number of common printers,
but if you're telling a workstation about the existence of a printer
anywhere on the network, installing drivers is *exactly* what you're doing.

printer it was, beyond "Postscript". Good thing, too, since

"Postscript" is a driver. If you're installing all your networked printers
as Postscript printers you're either in an environment that doesn't allow
anything else, or you're too lazy or inexperienced to install printers
properly. Sadly, in many cases where printers are installed as Postscript
devices alone, the latter scenario is the case.

I doubt
there'd be an available driver for a DEC Alpha.

You do realize that you're talking about a hardware platform not an OS or
any other software, right? And that among other operating systems,
Alpha-based machines run NT, Right?

Maybe *your* shop is one of the minority situations where specific drivers
aren't available for your printers on your platform/OS, and I can think of
several scenarios where that would be the case, but you are just that... an
exception. In the vast majority of cases drivers are available, and need to
be installed. In a lot of scenarios it's impossible to do it any other way,
especially with newer, networkable equipment.

Are you saying that there are copiers (not computer printers or fax
machines) that automatically stick the date and time on the copy
when it is made? In a form that's actually human-readable, not

Yup. Many of them do in fact have the ability. Many are multifunction
devices that handle Print/FAX/Copy in fact. In most cases time stamping is
hardly ever used except when that machine is used as a fax machine. But I
can cite exceptions like a lawyer's office that used access codes and
optional date stamping to denote copies of a document from the original. It
was necessary because both were created on the same machine in many cases.

some secret square of yellow dots? I've never heard of a copier
having that feature. Fax machines, yes, copiers, no. And I'd

As I've tried to point out, your experience seems to be "limited".

--
Hand crafted on October 21, 2005 at 06:44:05 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I just did a Google search on "Rod Speed" and toward the end of this
posting are some of the most common type of results.

===========================

But boy, do I have "egg on my face" and need a towel to get it all off!

I've been such a "spectacular fool"! But, I've found "the balls" to
admit I've made an error!

I found proof positive that Rod Speed is real! He just happens, in most
cases, to be a piece of machinery.

In fact, he is so very much a machine, that his limited personality has
been captured! His annoying, repetitive (obviously preprogrammed
function keys) and nearly completely mindless banter has been captured
as a "Personality Bot". You can "play" with him also, at the url below:
=======================

www.sensationbot.com/chat-rodspeed.html

Description:

Rod Speed chat [M 15+] - Rod Speed is a well known USENET personality.
His idiosyncratic robot-like ravings cause both frustration and
enjoyment to newbies and oldies alike. This personality was created from
actual messages posted by Rod.

========================

I tried it, and you know what? This little program, which would easily
run on about 2 human neurons (one for back-up), carried on a more
intelligent (although very reminiscent) conversation with me than the
"real" Rod Speed has.

So, here's my suggestion... you can killfile the "real" Rod Speed, and
when you want to hear some of his "cute" repetitive "wota wanker" or
"Pathetic, really" or "You're a liar" phrases, just click on the url and
fill in the blank with anything at all, and just like the real Rod
Speed, it will come back with one of his famous wit-less-cisms!

Think of the time you'll save not having to fish through hundreds of his
postings which do the same thing anyway!

Gee, I'm so jealous, I wish my full personality could be portrayed in a
10 line bot script, too!

Art


And Rod, if you are reading this... you really ought to meet Measekite
on comp.periphs.printers The two of you are like peas in a rod, I mean
pod, and I'm sure you'd get a long spectacularly (or not).

Here are what most of the Google entries for "Rod Speed" look like:

================================================
R&M Energy Systems: Moyno Ultra-Drive Drive Heads
Maximum Polished Rod Speed, 460 rpm, 600 rpm, 600 rpm. Standard Thrust
Bearing,
13700 lbs. 13700 lbs. 17840 lbs. Maximum Driven Sheave, 16", 25",
31-1/2" ...
www.rmenergy.com/products/moyno_ultradrive.html - 17k - Cached - Similar
pages

[PDF] R&M Energy Systems
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Rod Speed. Maximum Axial Load. 33000 lbs. 56000 lbs. 33000 lbs.
Maximum Driven.
31.5”. 31.5”. 24”. Sheave. Wellhead Connection. Flanged or Pin ...
www.rmenergy.com/literature/moyno_dwp/moyultr.pdf - Similar pages
[ More results from www.rmenergy.com ]


James Walker Group - Reciprocating Pumps/Rams
Maximum rod speed: 1.5m/s. Also used on centrifugal pumps and valves. ...
Maximim rod speed: 1m/s. Also suitable for valves and reciprocating
pumps. ...
www.jameswalker.biz/group/categories/reciprocating_pumps-rams.html - 76k
- Cached - Similar pages

Series TD Air/Oil Tandem Tie rod Cylinder
The Tandem Cylinder provides close, smooth control of piston rod speed
even with
changing external loads. The unit is air powered while the hydraulic ...
www.phdinc.com/products/info.asp?productseries=101 - 44k - Cached -
Similar pages

Air Production Equipment
Rod Speed Reduction. To control the downward speed of double-acting
presses ...
Quick exhaust valves (QEVs) increase press rod speed by allowing exhaust
air ...
www.techsavvy.com/industry/file/national/08809/mea06.html?id=118926&comp_id=08809&base_region=*
- 9k - Cached - Similar pages

The Kerry Company, Inc.
1/4 to 25 hp. Rod Speed .125 to 12"/sec, Max Stroke 36 in. Rod Speed .25
to 18"/sec,
Max Stroke 240 in. Rod Speed As Required, Max Stroke 360 deg. ...
www.kerryactuator.com/sitehtml/specs.php - 20k - 19 Oct 2005 - Cached -
Similar pages
==============================

 

[Davy]

quote][quote="Arthur Entlich" there are integrated chips with internal
batteries made for computers such as
laptops and other devices that maintain date and time information and

run for 10 or more years without outside power.

Here is an example:

http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/MBD006AA/00000132.shtml


Art
[/quote]

These are dedicated chip's and known as RTCC 'Real Time Clock Chip''
containing an on board supply, 3V being typical, the current
consumption being a few µA (micro amperes) or 1 millionth of an amp
some containing a calendar.

These are not just used in computers and laptops... I've seen these in
time-lapse video recorders used for security purposes.

Davy

 

[William Souden]

I know it is.


Not hiding a damned thing.


Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look
in the eyes of those who know that it is my name ?


Dig away. Hope you have a towel ready to use on your face, you'll need it.


Its been done and even someone as stupid
as you should be able to find the results.

Better have that towel handy...


I havent.

Only things he hides is that is is a semi-literate grade school drop
out, unemployable welfare recipient with no friends,money.life or future
who can never admit to error.

 

[Rod Speed]

I just did a Google search on "Rod Speed" and toward the end of this posting
are some of the most common type of results.

But boy, do I have "egg on my face" and need a towel to get it all off!

I've been such a "spectacular fool"! But, I've found "the balls" to admit
I've made an error!

But clearly not the balls to leave it at that, it has to engage in the
sort of juvenile behaviour that any 2 year old could leave for dead.

Cant even manage an original line for itself, or anything else at all, either.

<reams of puerile shit spewed by silly little children that
have got done like a ****ing dinner flushed where it belongs>

Here are what most of the Google entries for "Rod Speed" look like:

Irrelevant, and that aint the from field, stupid.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

It's called humor Rodney, something you apparently have difficulty
assimilating.

There's a reason I did a search beyond looking at the "from" field. I
wanted to see what else was out there, and I never would have found that
great "personality bot" that emulates you, had I restricted the search!

Further still, none of your postings prove you aren't using a pseudonym,
in fact, as far as I can determine, you could still be using one. You
may just be consistent about it. If I were you, I'd use one. ;-)

In fairness to all the groups that these messages are being cross posted
to who don't deserve to being subjected to any more of this foolishness
(including my own!) I'm ending my part in this thread right here.

You take care, Rod.

Really Pathetically,

Art

 

[Rod Speed]

It's called humor Rodney,

Its actually called pathetic excuse for bullshit.

something you apparently have difficulty assimilating.

Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.

There's a reason I did a search beyond looking at the "from" field.

SURE there is.

I wanted to see what else was out there,

SURE you did.

Further still, none of your postings prove you aren't using a pseudonym, in
fact, as far as I can determine, you could still be using one.

More fool you.

You may just be consistent about it.

Couldnt even manage to work that one out, either.

In fairness to all the groups that these messages are being cross posted to
who don't deserve to being subjected to any more of this foolishness
(including my own!)

Just your own, actually.

I'm ending my part in this thread right here.

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

Dont make a mess of the carpet, now.

 

[William Sopuden]

Rod, who is a joke, is humor impaired.

Its actually called pathetic excuse for bullshit.


Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.

Except for a career welfare boy.

SURE there is.


SURE you did.

<reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs>

That is your full time job,flushing. It is what you say whenever
facts fail you, i.e. almost always.

More fool you.


Couldnt even manage to work that one out, either.
Work?Rod?

<reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs>

see above.

 

[traveler]

And FAR more often nothing like that ever happens.

Here's a list of printers that do and don't, from an article I found
from EFF:

List of Printers Which Do or Don't Print Tracking Dots
Last updated: October 13, 2005

This is a list in progress of color laser printer models that do or do
not print yellow tracking dots on their output.
Remember that a "no" simply means that we couldn't see yellow dots; it
does not prove that there is no forensic watermarking present. (For
example, the HP Color LaserJET 8500 series does not include any yellow
tracking dots that we can see, but it may still include some kind of
forensic marking, since the majority of earlier CLJ models did.)
Remember that a "yes" simply means that we (or another source, as noted)
saw yellow dots that appeared anomalous to us. Until we decipher the
marking schemes or receive other confirmation, this does not constitute
proof that any particular kind of information is represented by these
dots. In a very few cases, for example, they might be the result of a
poor dithering technique, rather than a forensic mark.
Thanks to our friends at software firms and symphonies, public schools
and physics labs, semiconductor fabs and ice cream parlors, in about a
dozen countries around the world.
We use the following codes to indicate the source of this information.
[exp] = EFF looked at printer output under a blue light
[mfr] = manufacturer said printer prints tracking codes;
[press] = press report said printer prints tracking codes.

Brother yes
· HL-4200CN [exp]
Canon yes
· CLC 1000 [exp]
· CLC 2400 [exp]
· CLC 4000 [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3100CN [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3200 [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3220 [exp]
Dell yes
· 3000cn [exp]
· 3100cn [exp]
· 5100cn [exp]
Epson AcuLaser yes
· C900 [exp]
· C1100 [exp]
· C1100 [press]
· C1500 [exp]
· C1900 [exp]
HP Color LaserJet no
· 2250ln [exp (??)]
· 4500 [exp]
· 4500dn [exp]
· 4500n [exp]
· 4550 [exp]
· 4550n [exp]
· 5M [exp]
· 8500 [exp]
· 8550 [exp]
· 8550dn [exp]
· 8550gn [exp]
HP Color LaserJet yes
· 1500l [exp]
· 2500 [exp]
· 2500n [exp]
· 2550l [exp]
· 2550n [exp]
· 2600n [exp]
· 2680 [exp]
· 2840 [exp]
· 3500 [exp]
· 3500n [exp]
· 3600dn [exp]
· 3700 [exp]
· 3700dn [exp]
· 3700n [exp]
· 4600 [exp]
· 4600dn [exp]
· 4600hdn [exp]
· 4600n [exp]
· 4650 [exp]
· 4650dn [exp]
· 4650dtn [exp]
· 5100cn [exp]
· 5500 [exp]
· 5500atn [exp]
· 5500dn [exp]
· 5500hdn [exp]
· 5550 [exp]
· 5550dtn [exp]
· 9500 [exp]
· 9500hdn [exp]
IBM unclear
· Infoprint Color 1454 [exp] {dithering algorithm?}
Konica/Minolta unclear
· DialtaColor CF 2001 [exp] {dithering algorithm?}
Konica/Minolta yes
· Bizhub C350 [exp]
· CF1501 [exp]
· Colorforce 8050 [exp]
· Desklaser 2200 [exp]
· DialtaColor CF 2001 [exp]
· Ikon CPP500E [exp]
· Magicolor 2210 [exp]
· Magicolor 2300 DL [exp]
· Magicolor 2430 DL [exp]
· Magicolor 3300 [exp]
· Magicolor 7300 [exp]
Kyocera yes
· FS-C5016N [exp]
Lanier yes
· LD238C [exp]
· LP125cx/LP126cn [exp]
Lexmark no
· C720 [exp (??)]
Lexmark yes
· C510 [exp]
· C720 [exp]
· C912 [exp]
Minolta: see Konica/Minolta Oki/OkiDATA no
· C5150 [exp]
· C5150n [exp]
· C5300 [exp]
· C7200 [exp]
· C7350 [exp]
· C9300 [exp]
Ricoh: see also Savin Ricoh yes
· Aficio CL 3000 [exp]
· Aficio CL 6010 [exp]
· Aficio CL 7000 [exp]
· AP 206 [exp]
Samsung no
· CLP-510 [exp]
· CLP-500 [exp]
· CLP-550 [exp]
Savin yes
· C3210 [exp]
· CLP35 [exp]
Tektronix: see Xerox/Tektronix Toshiba yes
· eStudio 210c [mfr]
· eStudio 310c [mfr]
· eStudio 311c [mfr]
· eStudio 211c [mfr]
· eStudio 2100c [mfr]
· eStudio 3100c [mfr]
· eStudio 3511 [exp]
· FC15i [mfr]
· FC15 [mfr]
· FC22i [mfr]
· FC22 [mfr]
· FC25Pi [mfr]
· FC25P [mfr]
· FC70 [mfr]
Xerox yes
· DocuColor 12 [exp]
· DocuColor 40 [exp]
· DocuColor 2045 [exp]
· DocuColor 2000 [mfr]
· DocuColor 6060 [mfr]
· DocuColor 6060 [exp]
· WorkCentre M24 [exp]
· WorkCentre Pro all models [press]
· WorkCenter Pro 40 [exp]
· WorkCenter Pro C2636 [exp]
Xerox/Tektronix Phaser no
· 560 [exp]
· 740 [exp]
· 750 (Z750V) [exp]
· 750P [exp]
· 780 [exp]
· 850DP [exp]
· 860DP [exp]
· 6100 [exp]
· 6200 [exp]
· 6200DP [exp]
· 6250DP [exp]
· 7700 [exp]
· 8200DP [exp]
· 8200DX [exp]
Xerox/Tektronix Phaser unclear
· 8400B [exp?] {dithering algorithm?}
· 8400DP [exp]
· 8440DP [exp?] {dithering algorithm?}
· 8400DX [exp]
8

 

[me]

Millions? Ok, one million would be 50.000 twenty dollar bills, and
if 'millions' means at leat two, then it would mean printing at least
100.000 twenty dollar bills. That would cost a fortune in yellow
ink!

Leaving aside that you are presumably thinking of only the yellow ink
for the dot pattern, I reckon you would get six notes to a page, so
about 10,000 pages need printing, to me that's about two bottles of
toner.

I shoved a note (twenty pounds sterling) in my machine to see what it
did and it was quite cunning in that it just printed out the magenta
image and not the CYK parts of the copy, but if I enlarged it slightly
it would copy quite happily. Unsurprisingly there's no copy protection
in my 1920s German 1,000,000,000 mark note.

 

[me]

And that's just for bottom end printer buyers. The people who can walk into
Wal*Mart or Office Max and leave with a cash sale "SOHO" or "Entry Level"
printer. There's a whole world of mid range to upper end equipment you
can't even touch without dealing with a company rep, and *usually* signing
a service contract.

Unless you get an end of contract one, repossessed, bankrupt stock or
the like.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Here's a list of printers that do and don't, from an article I found from EFF:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/list.php

List of Printers Which Do or Don't Print Tracking Dots
Last updated: October 13, 2005

This is a list in progress of color laser printer models that do or do
not print yellow tracking dots on their output.
Remember that a "no" simply means that we couldn't see yellow dots; it
does not prove that there is no forensic watermarking present. (For
example, the HP Color LaserJET 8500 series does not include any yellow
tracking dots that we can see, but it may still include some kind of
forensic marking, since the majority of earlier CLJ models did.)
Remember that a "yes" simply means that we (or another source, as
noted) saw yellow dots that appeared anomalous to us. Until we
decipher the marking schemes or receive other confirmation, this does
not constitute proof that any particular kind of information is
represented by these dots. In a very few cases, for example, they
might be the result of a poor dithering technique, rather than a
forensic mark. Thanks to our friends at software firms and symphonies, public
schools
and physics labs, semiconductor fabs and ice cream parlors, in about a
dozen countries around the world.
We use the following codes to indicate the source of this information.
[exp] = EFF looked at printer output under a blue light
[mfr] = manufacturer said printer prints tracking codes;
[press] = press report said printer prints tracking codes.

Brother yes
· HL-4200CN [exp]
Canon yes
· CLC 1000 [exp]
· CLC 2400 [exp]
· CLC 4000 [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3100CN [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3200 [exp]
· Color imageRUNNER C3220 [exp]
Dell yes
· 3000cn [exp]
· 3100cn [exp]
· 5100cn [exp]
Epson AcuLaser yes
· C900 [exp]
· C1100 [exp]
· C1100 [press]
· C1500 [exp]
· C1900 [exp]
HP Color LaserJet no
· 2250ln [exp (??)]
· 4500 [exp]
· 4500dn [exp]
· 4500n [exp]
· 4550 [exp]
· 4550n [exp]
· 5M [exp]
· 8500 [exp]
· 8550 [exp]
· 8550dn [exp]
· 8550gn [exp]
HP Color LaserJet yes
· 1500l [exp]
· 2500 [exp]
· 2500n [exp]
· 2550l [exp]
· 2550n [exp]
· 2600n [exp]
· 2680 [exp]
· 2840 [exp]
· 3500 [exp]
· 3500n [exp]
· 3600dn [exp]
· 3700 [exp]
· 3700dn [exp]
· 3700n [exp]
· 4600 [exp]
· 4600dn [exp]
· 4600hdn [exp]
· 4600n [exp]
· 4650 [exp]
· 4650dn [exp]
· 4650dtn [exp]
· 5100cn [exp]
· 5500 [exp]
· 5500atn [exp]
· 5500dn [exp]
· 5500hdn [exp]
· 5550 [exp]
· 5550dtn [exp]
· 9500 [exp]
· 9500hdn [exp]
IBM unclear
· Infoprint Color 1454 [exp] {dithering algorithm?}
Konica/Minolta unclear
· DialtaColor CF 2001 [exp] {dithering algorithm?}
Konica/Minolta yes
· Bizhub C350 [exp]
· CF1501 [exp]
· Colorforce 8050 [exp]
· Desklaser 2200 [exp]
· DialtaColor CF 2001 [exp]
· Ikon CPP500E [exp]
· Magicolor 2210 [exp]
· Magicolor 2300 DL [exp]
· Magicolor 2430 DL [exp]
· Magicolor 3300 [exp]
· Magicolor 7300 [exp]
Kyocera yes
· FS-C5016N [exp]
Lanier yes
· LD238C [exp]
· LP125cx/LP126cn [exp]
Lexmark no
· C720 [exp (??)]
Lexmark yes
· C510 [exp]
· C720 [exp]
· C912 [exp]
Minolta: see Konica/Minolta Oki/OkiDATA no
· C5150 [exp]
· C5150n [exp]
· C5300 [exp]
· C7200 [exp]
· C7350 [exp]
· C9300 [exp]
Ricoh: see also Savin Ricoh yes
· Aficio CL 3000 [exp]
· Aficio CL 6010 [exp]
· Aficio CL 7000 [exp]
· AP 206 [exp]
Samsung no
· CLP-510 [exp]
· CLP-500 [exp]
· CLP-550 [exp]
Savin yes
· C3210 [exp]
· CLP35 [exp]
Tektronix: see Xerox/Tektronix Toshiba yes
· eStudio 210c [mfr]
· eStudio 310c [mfr]
· eStudio 311c [mfr]
· eStudio 211c [mfr]
· eStudio 2100c [mfr]
· eStudio 3100c [mfr]
· eStudio 3511 [exp]
· FC15i [mfr]
· FC15 [mfr]
· FC22i [mfr]
· FC22 [mfr]
· FC25Pi [mfr]
· FC25P [mfr]
· FC70 [mfr]
Xerox yes
· DocuColor 12 [exp]
· DocuColor 40 [exp]
· DocuColor 2045 [exp]
· DocuColor 2000 [mfr]
· DocuColor 6060 [mfr]
· DocuColor 6060 [exp]
· WorkCentre M24 [exp]
· WorkCentre Pro all models [press]
· WorkCenter Pro 40 [exp]
· WorkCenter Pro C2636 [exp]
Xerox/Tektronix Phaser no
· 560 [exp]
· 740 [exp]
· 750 (Z750V) [exp]
· 750P [exp]
· 780 [exp]
· 850DP [exp]
· 860DP [exp]
· 6100 [exp]
· 6200 [exp]
· 6200DP [exp]
· 6250DP [exp]
· 7700 [exp]
· 8200DP [exp]
· 8200DX [exp]
Xerox/Tektronix Phaser unclear
· 8400B [exp?] {dithering algorithm?}
· 8400DP [exp]
· 8440DP [exp?] {dithering algorithm?}
· 8400DX [exp]

Interesting list, particularly the number that arent US manufacturers.

I welcome whatever is done to do something about those who
use those printers to conterfeit currency and documents myself.

I dont care about any purported infringement of my 'privacy' etc.

 

[me]

Here's a list of printers that do and don't, from an article I found
from EFF:
Canon yes
· CLC 1000 [exp]
· CLC 2400 [exp]
· CLC 4000 [exp]

That's very jolly, it doesn't mention my CLC 950, which probably means
they didn't try one.

Xerox/Tektronix Phaser no
· 8200DP [exp]

I'm in the clear with this one!

Quick let me go and get the isntructions to build myself a tin-foil
helmet.

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Unless you get an end of contract one, repossessed, bankrupt stock or
the like.

End of contract and repossessed means you're dealing with the OEM or
retailer anyway. And they'll keep the same records as they would with a new
unit. Bankruptcy sales are typically conducted by third parties, and
*they'll* have a record of almost every model and serial number.

You might be able to pick up an anonymous unit some place, but that doesn't
change the fact that every page you print has your "signature" on it. Even
if it's not used, it's an insidious thing in and of itself. More so because
it was done behind your back.

--
Hand crafted on October 22, 2005 at 07:25:27 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[me]

End of contract and repossessed means you're dealing with the OEM or
retailer anyway. And they'll keep the same records as they would with a new
unit. Bankruptcy sales are typically conducted by third parties, and
*they'll* have a record of almost every model and serial number.

You might be able to pick up an anonymous unit some place, but that doesn't
change the fact that every page you print has your "signature" on it. Even
if it's not used, it's an insidious thing in and of itself. More so because
it was done behind your back.

Should we complain about the copy protection built in, that doesn't
allow me to make a copy of a bank note.

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Should we complain about the copy protection built in, that doesn't
allow me to make a copy of a bank note.

Of course. You should complain about *any* back room trickery perpetrated by
a government with the complicity of corporate America, on the citizens both
those entities are suppose to be serving in their own way. And the size of
that complaint should vary according to the size of the offense.

Does knowledge of these dot pattern identifications make printers or copiers
any more able to produce forged money?

Does knowledge of Photoshop's (?) inability to faithfully reproduce images
of money make it any more capable of doing so?

What negative impact does knowledge have on these technologies?

The answer is obviously "only one"... it removes the ability of "government"
to serveil an unsuspecting public with impunity.

--
Hand crafted on October 22, 2005 at 08:42:51 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Rod Speed]

(e-mail address removed) wrote

End of contract and repossessed means you're
dealing with the OEM or retailer anyway. And they'll
keep the same records as they would with a new unit.

Fat lot of good that will do them, its completely trivial
to ensure that that data wont be any use to them.

Bankruptcy sales are typically conducted by third parties, and
*they'll* have a record of almost every model and serial number.

But not necessarily any useful info on who it got sold
to if the purchaser wants to achieve that, stupid.

You might be able to pick up an anonymous unit some place,

No might about it.

but that doesn't change the fact that every
page you print has your "signature" on it.

No it doesnt, it JUST has the PRINTER'S signature on it.

Even if it's not used, it's an insidious thing in and of itself.

Pathetic, really.

More so because it was done behind your back.

Like it or lump it.

 

[Rod Speed]

(e-mail address removed) wrote

Of course. You should complain about *any* back room
trickery perpetrated by a government with the complicity
of corporate America, on the citizens both those entities
are suppose to be serving in their own way.

Thanks for that completely surperfluous proof of
what at terminal ****wit you have always been.

And the size of that complaint should vary
according to the size of the offense.

No one actually gives a flying red **** about
'complaints' from silly little terminal ****wits.

Does knowledge of these dot pattern identifications make
printers or copiers any more able to produce forged money?

Pathetic, really.

Does knowledge of Photoshop's (?) inability to faithfully reproduce
images of money make it any more capable of doing so?

Pathetic, really.

What negative impact does knowledge have on these technologies?

The answer is obviously "only one"... it removes the ability of
"government" to serveil an unsuspecting public with impunity.

Pathetic, really.

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

Fat lot of good that will do them, its completely trivial
to ensure that that data wont be any use to them.

Is not.

But not necessarily any useful info on who it got sold
to if the purchaser wants to achieve that, stupid.


No might about it.
Liar.


No it doesnt, it JUST has the PRINTER'S signature on it.
Liar.


Pathetic, really.
Liar.


Like it or lump it.

Wota terminal ****wit.

--
Hand crafted on October 22, 2005 at 15:28:48 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 

[Jeffrey F. Bloss]

No one actually gives a flying red **** about
'complaints' from silly little terminal ****wits.

Precisely the reason nobody takes you seriously.

--
Hand crafted on October 22, 2005 at 15:30:59 -0400

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx