SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

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Almost 900,000 references.
I would not agree with the subject.
But then, I would look far beyond the raw data of that link.
As presented, that data tells nothing.
To give that data any value, you would need to go through all of it
and get specifics.
What arer actually SP-2 problems?
What are issues caused by SP-2 but a quick configuration is necessary
because of the added security of SP-2?
What are caused by preexisting problems. known or unknown?
What have nothing to do with SP-2 but the user can not tell the
difference?
There are many more which I am sure you will discover as you carefully
research each reference on that link.

What does this tell you about the health of the human race:
Get total numbers of people who were in a hospital, clinic, emergency
trauma center etc in the last month.
Do not distinguish between visitors, doctors staff, patients etc.
Also ignore if they are returning for a follow up.
You want just the total # of people entering those facilities in the
last month.
What can be concluded about the health of the human race?

Both of the above yield almost worthless data because they both lack
the necessary data obtained from proper research.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=sp2+problems

Ya add that to the thousands that complain in these NGs, and other
groups, plus the plethora/cornucopia - ever growing as I type - of
fixes, cures, work-arounds and solutions that Microsoft has out plus
the way too many private sites/pages that are out one would have to
agree with the subject.
 
All "statistics" are worthless whether researched carefully or not!
If I am dying of a particular disease knowing that it affects less than 1%
of the population is of no comfort to me. Likewise if XP2 affects 10% of all
computers is no comfort if my computer is screwed! (which it is not).
So stop your babbling and just comfort the sick!.

Testy
 
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:05:03 -0700, "Wen Jia" <Wen
Yep I agree. SP2 really makes your computer slow. The firewall
automatically turns on every time you turn on your computer.
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No, it does't. It doesn't on any of the machines that I've put SP2 on.
Also there has been no noticeable changes to the speed of the
machines.

Did you have problems *before* SP2, and did you by any chance hope
that SP2 would sort them out?

There's a rule of thumb: Don't upgrade a machine that has problems in
the hope of a cure for the problems.

Cheers,

Cliff
 
The problem (as usual) is the anti-virus program is causing problems with the
installation, not the service pack. I've seen so MANY problems related to
anti-virus software. I don't even use the stuff. Never had a virus on my home
computers either. I do use a firewall/router and pretty much don't install
any software off the web.
 
Well, if you use PC for a work, instal it. BUT!!! If you use PC for games as
well for work, DO NOT INSTAL IT. SP 2 just add, not very usefull firewall,
and improves security. I have standalone firewall, that works great and also
I have spyware/adware, all updates except SP 2, of course, and all drivers
updated. I have FAT32 as well, because NTFS only improves security and slow
down programs. When I instaled, I was unable to play my games older than 1
year. For older I use WinME, but anyway, it looks, that SP 2 does not care
about gamers, just about security for companies. So, is WinXP for home users
or not? In fact, it is true, that WinXP is the worst system, when there we
are talking about security, but on the other hand, it speeds up programs as
any windows before. Well, back to the SP 2. If you wanna try it, jut do it,
you can uninstal it. But I have now a game Thief 3 and I wont risk, that
everything would go wrong. When I last time instaled SP 2, and I tried it
more than once, I uninstaled it, and than I realized, that is better to
reinstal windows. So, it is up to you. If you have a stable system with
games, I recommend you, do not instal SP 2, just updates. One more think, it
apears, that there is a problem with ATI and Microsoft, that doesnot want
certificate ATI's drivers. And my friend, who has NVIDIA has no problem with
a game like SOF 2 and so, but me yes. I have ATI Radeon 9600 and if I was
able to run some games on SP 2, there were black and white textures.
Interesting, is not it? I hope, you enjoyed this loooooong note and you will
have the them to write about :) At least, till there is a SP 3 ;) which will
cause much more problems to consumers like me. Bye and have a fun. Hehehe...
 
SP2 has more than just a new firewall. Millions of lines of code have been
changed and updated. I am a hardcore gamer that plays games from 5years old
to present and they all work without one problem, slowdown, or glitch at all
with XP pro and sp2 installed. For gamers sp2 is fine if your computer is
working properly, setup properly, and built properly. Also my ATI radeon
9200 dual display works great while gaming. MS and ati work fine together
and in fact I never build a computer with anything but ati video cards. Get
the new radeon drivers if you have probs, but it's not ati cause they work
fine for me and any machine I've built.
 
Maybe it's the spyware/adware.

Shane


Phil said:
SP2 has more than just a new firewall. Millions of lines of code have been
changed and updated. I am a hardcore gamer that plays games from 5years old
to present and they all work without one problem, slowdown, or glitch at all
with XP pro and sp2 installed. For gamers sp2 is fine if your computer is
working properly, setup properly, and built properly. Also my ATI radeon
9200 dual display works great while gaming. MS and ati work fine together
and in fact I never build a computer with anything but ati video cards. Get
the new radeon drivers if you have probs, but it's not ati cause they work
fine for me and any machine I've built.
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I take it that English is not your native language? Are you aware that
there are things called "Spell Checkers" that actually check the spelling,
and in some cases, the grammar of words and phrases used to form sentences?
In any case, you touch on some points that I would like to bring up here.
Where, for instance, do you find information that would confirm your
assertion that the NTFS file system "slow down programs"? Where do you find
information that would confirm your assertion that Windows XP is "the worst
system" in regards to security? Microsoft has acknowledged that there are
issues with some software and hardware when SP2 is installed, but for the
most part, it is a stable and useful addition to the Windows XP operating
system. Just for the record, I have not been offered the installation of
SP2 through Windows Update so I have not installed it.

TOM1982 said:
Well, if you use PC for a work, instal it. BUT!!! If you use PC for games as
well for work, DO NOT INSTAL IT. SP 2 just add, not very usefull firewall,
and improves security. I have standalone firewall, that works great and also
I have spyware/adware, all updates except SP 2, of course, and all drivers
updated. I have FAT32 as well, because NTFS only improves security and slow
down programs. When I instaled, I was unable to play my games older than 1
year. For older I use WinME, but anyway, it looks, that SP 2 does not care
about gamers, just about security for companies. So, is WinXP for home users
or not? In fact, it is true, that WinXP is the worst system, when there we
are talking about security, but on the other hand, it speeds up programs as
any windows before. Well, back to the SP 2. If you wanna try it, jut do it,
you can uninstal it. But I have now a game Thief 3 and I wont risk, that
everything would go wrong. When I last time instaled SP 2, and I tried it
more than once, I uninstaled it, and than I realized, that is better to
reinstal windows. So, it is up to you. If you have a stable system with
games, I recommend you, do not instal SP 2, just updates. One more think, it
apears, that there is a problem with ATI and Microsoft, that doesnot want
certificate ATI's drivers. And my friend, who has NVIDIA has no problem with
a game like SOF 2 and so, but me yes. I have ATI Radeon 9600 and if I was
able to run some games on SP 2, there were black and white textures.
Interesting, is not it? I hope, you enjoyed this loooooong note and you will
have the them to write about :) At least, till there is a SP 3 ;) which will
cause much more problems to consumers like me. Bye and have a fun.
Click to expand...
Hehehe...
 
Benjamin3005 said:
I love Zonealarm. I did all theese online open port scans and didnt miss
one. all in green. i´d liked to see the zonealarm engine implemented
into XP. that would fit my imagination. this Sp2 firewall is nice for
non techies also, and if iam right, its asking for outbound traffic.
like.. is this program allowed to call out. but the settings are much
harder to find and also hard to configure. I would like some kind of
option to switch tech to nontechie. like zonealarm always did.
I also not think that it is a clever move to blame a software product
from a company thats only focusing on doing their Firewall secure for
not doing their job right.
If i would give a tipp. Turn off the SP2 firewall and install
zonealarm. Its really worth the money. If you think its to complex than
turn sp2 firewall back on. Its jsut shareware. so try it. you always
have the feeling to know whats going on, and what program is currently
"using" the internet. dont see that in Sp2. And to implement an
Antivirus Status window inside the SP2 without even consultate the
former AV companies for getting an SP2 plugin is the funniest idea
ever. Is it MS´s job to hold the program running after the update they
made ? or is it the company´s job to change their product for any
change MS is doing to their OS ? what comes first.. the egg ? :)
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SP2 is fine.
The firewall is closed normally.
My antivirus is detected normally.
Before playing a game, I need to shutdown antivirus and firewall for
best performance.
 
I have made a clean instalation WinXP as well, and then instaled all updates
and then SP 2 and it did not work. In fact, I tried it for a week. I have
been offered the installation of SP2 through Windows Update, it had only
75MB, cause I already had all updates and did not work again :( And I have
the newest drivers, firmwares, bios, updates for win and programs and so. I
check PC for spyware every time I leave internet, well I have spywatch
program as well. Maybe there is a compatibility problem with my hardware with
SP 2. I have noticed, that WinXP is very sensitive about hardaware. When I
had a memory, I used it in WinME without problem, but XP recognized it,
because it damaged files in XP. My hardware: Asus KT600, AthlonXP Barton 2500
at 2,2Ghz, Saphire ATI Radeon 9600 256MB, 768MB 333Mhz RAM, 2 HDD(Maxtor with
WinXP Pro US and WD with WinME). I have also noticed, that safe mod and
restore mod in winxp are .... . If there is a problem to run XP, safe mod
doesnot run neither, in WinME I can fix problems in safe mod. Any help would
be apreatiated, I would like to have SP 2, if it only would be possible.
 
TOM1982 said:
I have made a clean instalation WinXP as well, and then instaled all updates
and then SP 2 and it did not work. In fact, I tried it for a week. I have
been offered the installation of SP2 through Windows Update, it had only
75MB, cause I already had all updates and did not work again :( And I have
the newest drivers, firmwares, bios, updates for win and programs and so. I
check PC for spyware every time I leave internet, well I have spywatch
program as well. Maybe there is a compatibility problem with my hardware with
SP 2. I have noticed, that WinXP is very sensitive about hardaware. When I
had a memory, I used it in WinME without problem, but XP recognized it,
because it damaged files in XP. My hardware: Asus KT600, AthlonXP Barton 2500
at 2,2Ghz, Saphire ATI Radeon 9600 256MB, 768MB 333Mhz RAM, 2 HDD(Maxtor with
WinXP Pro US and WD with WinME). I have also noticed, that safe mod and
restore mod in winxp are .... . If there is a problem to run XP, safe mod
doesnot run neither, in WinME I can fix problems in safe mod. Any help would
be apreatiated, I would like to have SP 2, if it only would be possible.
Click to expand...

Open the autoupdate is the best way for installing SP2, you will see all
the earlier updates are gone, only SP2 is left.
 
XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you won't have
memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged files in xp. I also
notice you have a saphire video card with the radeon chip set. Again this is
your problem. Cheap cards that carry other vendors chipsets are always
inferior products to the real thing. Get a real ATI card, made by ati, and
you shouldn't have any problems. My real ATI card works flawlessly with sp2.
With computers you really do get what you pay for. Buy cheap memory, cheap
video cards, and do hardcore gaming and your just asking for problems.
Usually serious gamers have custom built systems with top of the line
hardware costing thousands of dollars, not hundreds. Also safe mode should
work fine in xp, so clearly you have some major problems with your
computer/install. At first you blammed ms and sp2, but I think your seeing
the light, that it's not sp2, but more likely your computer hardware and/or
setup.
What is the exact problem when you try to install sp2. Exact error messages?
 
you all sound like a bunch of !@#$ winers ! To alias....this group is not for
novices...hello ?!?!? VSTUDIO.DEVELOPMENT !!! For dude...whatever his name
is...Steve....Dude, we are now moving into the 64 bit era...you may have just
put 3.1 to sleep, that's your problem. XP sp2 works FINE bro !!! It's you
buddy.
 
| > > >
| > > > The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about
AVs, programs
| > > > running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period.
Your
| > > > patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is
not
| > warranted.
| > > >
| > > > Alias

I tend to agree with Alias, there is nothing here:
What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx

that says to shut off auto scan feature of Antivirus/Malware programs
before installing SP2. It should be one of the first things listed on
the XP-SP2 intall site, but it is not listed anywhere.
I consider myself an intermediate user and keep up to date on security
measures, the right way to download and install, and maintenance on my
computers. But for the newbie, who hasn't a clue, there really should
be more info at MS...
And they've always had a problem explaining/giving info at a "newbie"
level... they seem to leave it up to the "newsgroups" and communities
to get the word out, which seems a tad irresponsible to me. Most new
computer users don't know how/what Newsgroups are, let alone how to
search them out.
Does the "readme.txt" on the XP-SP2 CD tell you to disable your
Antivirus program before installation? Kind of.. in the ReadMeSP.htm,
it says you may want to disable your AV program from auto scanning, it
could add up to an hour of time it takes to update your OS. It
doesn't say anything about messing up the install.

Well, I haven't heard any screams of help from my friends and family
to come fix their computers, yet. So, I'm assuming the auto updates
haven't made it to their computers yet, or everything went fine.

E.T.
 
Phil said:
XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you won't have
memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged files in xp. I also
notice you have a saphire video card with the radeon chip set. Again this is
your problem. Cheap cards that carry other vendors chipsets are always
inferior products to the real thing. Get a real ATI card, made by ati, and
you shouldn't have any problems. My real ATI card works flawlessly with sp2.
With computers you really do get what you pay for. Buy cheap memory, cheap
video cards, and do hardcore gaming and your just asking for problems.
Usually serious gamers have custom built systems with top of the line
hardware costing thousands of dollars, not hundreds. Also safe mode should
work fine in xp, so clearly you have some major problems with your
computer/install. At first you blammed ms and sp2, but I think your seeing
the light, that it's not sp2, but more likely your computer hardware and/or
setup.
Click to expand...

Are you planning on paying for these upgrades for Tom? Perhaps he is
using a company computer and cannot do any upgrades. Perhaps he figures
that if his computer runs properly with XP SP1 that it should run
properly with XP SP2?
 
XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you won't have
memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged files in xp. I also
notice you have a saphire video card with the radeon chip set. Again this is
your problem. Cheap cards that carry other vendors chipsets are always
inferior products to the real thing.
Click to expand...

I've got a Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT. Works just fine. Why would it
be inferior when it's got the same chip in it?
 
Al Smith said:
I've got a Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT. Works just fine. Why would it
be inferior when it's got the same chip in it?
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While my AOpen GeForce card has worked fine for four years now.


Shane
 
red floyd said:
Are you planning on paying for these upgrades for Tom? Perhaps he is
using a company computer and cannot do any upgrades. Perhaps he
figures that if his computer runs properly with XP SP1 that it should
run properly with XP SP2?
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If it's a company computer he shouldn't be doing hardcore gaming on it or
gaming at all. Yes, it should work like sp1 but his main complaint was that
he was having probs with some older and new full bells and whistles games.
If your gonna game all the time, then a computer geared for surfing, email,
and word isn't going to cut it. I always try to tell peolple you have to buy
a computer that will do what you want it to. A $2000 dollar computer will do
just about anything you want it to a $300 dollar one may not. Some where in
between users need to find where they fall in price for the level of
performance they need.
 
Al Smith said:
I've got a Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT. Works just fine. Why would it
be inferior when it's got the same chip in it?
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I didn't say it wouldn't work just fine, but in my experience the ati card
made by ati performs better overall. I haven't done any bench tests lately
though(last year or so), so maybe that's changed.
 
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