SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

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Charlie said:
With "over 10 years of experience" I am very surprised you think some people
don't need SP2. Exactly which ones don't need to be secure and protect
their data? SP2 isn't just a new update - it is a critical update. I think
your post falls into the 90% you referenced earlier.
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I'm still using Windows 2000 Pro because I feel that it is the best OS
Microsoft has made to date. I would say 90% of the people I deal with
who run XP have experienced numerous significant headache and
disappointment over SP2. The other 10% only use their computers for
e-mail, casual web browsing, etc...tasks similar to what most mac
users would do. The fact of life is that Windows was not built with a
foundation of security. You just can't install one file and *boom*
everything works perfect and its all secure. At the very least, the
users must have updates from 3rd Party product developers if they can
have any hope at all for their applications to run under the new
restrictions. And about Linux...its really not that bad. Learn a few
commands and if you really dont want to think install a GUI based
system like Fedora.
 
Steve said:
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!
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Rose... thanks for that link at the end. I had windows update set to
automatic, so 2 monts ago I got service pack 2 without wanting it as of that
moment. I have had 2 months worth of intermitent connection issues which my
isp told me that they had fixed, and that it was an issue with the line.
Well they were wrong. tonight I had issues connecting.... did all the usual
reboot to reset cable modem, all that crap.... didn't work. so i uninstalled
service pack 2.... now im seeing based on that link you posted that there are
issues with the hp computer and the update to sp2 that need updated before
installing sp2. That as well as a few other things that need tweeked
first....

Anyway thanks!!!!
 
Do I detect some discontent with Microsoft products?
You almost get me to think that you do not like running the best OS in the
world.
 
While I'll agree that the original post indicates a certain level of lunacy I
think you are understating the significance of problems associated with SP2.
There are a large number of people reporting problems with SP2, specifically
with IE, especially relating to the popup blocker. I personally have
installed SP2 on 3 machines, and had the popup blocker screw things up on 2
of the 3. A problem that can only be rectified by "unistalling" and
re-installing IE.

I have also found that the javascript VM appears to have changed the way it
handles certain Javascript calls. This means that code that worked prior to
installing SP2, no longer works.

The very fact that Microsoft need to suggest that your Virus scanner be
turned off indicates that they were aware that there were problems associated
with this. And you seem to have ignored the fact that SP2 may have
automatically been installed by Windows update. If this occurs how is a user
going to disable their Virus scanner?
 
luminos said:
I know more than you about computers, and you need to calm down. You sound
like a raving idiot.


obviously luminos has never been had by Microsoft or he would be more helpful. if he knows more about computers then he should have tried to help. he is the raving idiot
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Steve said:
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!
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I have never had a problem with service pac 2. Go to control panel and open
firewall, exceptions and check the program that you want to access the
internet.
 
1. Yes there is a difference between techies and nontechies. Most Techies
forget where they started and cannot seem to get their (you know where I am
going).

I have been in the tech field since 1996 and have NEVER forgoten what it was
like to know nothing about computers and depend on others for help.

2. Microsoft (not defending them) did supply links and other information on
how to prep you system even on the update page.

What can you do now to ensure that you get Service Pack 2?
What to know before you install Windows XP Service Pack 2

Yes I do under stand people see update and just assume that it will be
flawless and no iccuring issues.

3. To me that if some one can make a post on a message board like this why
were they not smart enough to see the links on the update page?
 
I agree, SP2 has caused me more headaches than SP1a. Just last week i was
getting errors, unexpected shut downs, and a couple of blue-screens-of-death.
An Error Report told me to install SP2.... Good Grief!!!!
 
In message said:
I agree, SP2 has caused me more headaches than SP1a. Just last week i was
getting errors, unexpected shut downs, and a couple of blue-screens-of-death.
An Error Report told me to install SP2.... Good Grief!!!!
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My new Fujitsu notebook came with XPSP2 installed. Whenever I installed
Panda Internet Security I started getting reboots, which became BSODs
when I turned off reboot. I tried an earlier version which didn't reboot
the system but instead I kept getting 'Generic Host Process for Win32
Services'.
As soon as I removed Panda everything was fine again, except that my
System tray and Taskbar keeps adding/losing icons.
SP2? I can't get rid of it.
 
Hi, everyone! I came here to check out a tiny situation but ran into this
topic - wow...particularly because it wasn't even a question BUT look at the
replies...Doesn't anyone monitor this stuff?

I'm sorry to butt in but please hear me out (or skip me if you don't care,
don't call me names) - First, I am so impressed with how many people take
their time to help or try, even all with the best of intentions.

I was BLOWN AWAY by the tremendous amount of negativity, sarcastic (and
adviceless) posts, 'pooor me' stories, finger pointing, ambiguity and actual
insulting even though there WAS NO QUESTION!

Don't we just want to be able to let our guard down and ask for help with
the expectation that it will come or nothing will come at all (much like not
saying anything if you don't have anything nice to say)? I'm afraid to ask
my question because I don't want to be insulted.

Derek put it exactly right. I could take weeks to try but couldn't have
blanket-responded to the whole ordeal with such respect, compassion and a
nudge toward asking us to focus on the ng purpose - finding solutions. I
learn a lot from the misc posts out there because I, too, am IGNORANT
(without knowledge) about many things about PCs etc. but not STUPID (unable
or unwilling to learn).

With 18 years of designing, programming, documenting and servicing software
pkgs, opsystems, networks, client-server and web-based prod issues (which
include reactions in the thousands from users much like and probably among
those in this 'forum' topic) the most valuable lesson I learned is in line
with Derek's - remain focused on the solution.

It's a lot like driving or snow skiing - look where you're going and take in
your surroundings. Aiming for a tree, blaming your instructor and finding
and dwelling on things that can go wrong only set you back so far that anyone
who'd reach out to help has been too alienated.

I am thankful for people like Derek Thornton, Tom Pepper Willett and Wayne
who took the high road. Good luck to everyone and I am sorry if I made
anyone angry or hurt their feelings...not my intention. Sincerely.
 
Well, you have cross posted, and not included any of the original thread and
I have NO idea what you are talking about.
 
Are you responding to any particular post? No one knows what it is, so what
you have said has little relevance here.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from: George Ankner
"If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
 
Leslie don't be too thin-skinned. I take lots of abuse but I keep on ticking to the disconsternation of a few.
 
Steve and others who are not familiar with the various nuances of XP2 and
other MS programs, could quite easily get a completely inoperable system
based on the vague and often times, cryptic nature, of installation
instructions. I too allowed SP2 to be installed automatically on my wifes
computer. Not knowing that Nortons and SP2 don't dance well together, the
update proceded with disasterous results.

After reinstalling windows XP2 pro, and later SP2, without nortons being
installed, the system seems to work fine, save one small detail. It now
won't allow Nortons to be reinstalled, failing the installation on every
attempt to install.

No biggie to me because I have never been a fan of Norton products. I
installed the defender beta2 product which went well. My only complaint is
the security center not recognizing defenders existance or status.

Most people do not have the time or inclination to keep up with all the fast
paced developmental changes taking place today. One should not expect them,
(laymen), to understand the process.

One of the cardinal rules I learned in programming school, was to make the
programs as user friendly as possible, and if not possible, do the critical
functions first without input from the user, automatically.

Some jarhead that designs these programs forgets that most will not have a
clue about the interoperability of various programs. So they write pages of
tech data for the end user to figure out, instead of creating a program that
will do all these critical checks automatically and then prompting the user
for input when it is needed. A simple question during the install
process...Have you Disabled your A/V program?...before going forward would go
a long way to solving most of these issues.

Some of my associates don't have a life, and don't mind tinkering with their
computers. For me however, I'd rather tinker with my wife and boat and not a
poorly designed and worse, a shoddily written program upgrade. Believe me;
when My wife is unhappy about her computer not working to her satisfaction, I
become an avid fan of technical bulletins and any other quick fix option that
might be available. I really don't care to become an expert on anything
dealing with computers, except how fast I can turn the stupid thing off.

For those of you having the pompous attitude against Steve and others, are
as much a part of the problem as you are a solution.

Vince
 
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