Best Registry Cleaner for vista

[Adam Albright]

Actually, what we've "offered" is years of first-hand observations and
experience. We've seen the trouble registry cleaners can cause. What
we've never seen, and what you've steadfastly refused to produce, is
*any* evidence that registry cleaners do any good.

Total BS. Prove your case by stating chapter and verse. Take all the
room your need. Otherwise all you're doing is trying to bully YOUR
opinion. By the way, there is no "we", you can only speak for
yourself, so try to drop that crutch so many here us if you want to
have any creditability.

Please do. I know what I've seen.

The burden of proof is on you since you're broadly knocking Registry
Cleaners in general, then you ask me to prove a negative.

So you TELL US what you've seen. Name the application used, the
version number and roughly the date and then detail what when wrong.
Then maybe you've made a case for not using a particular Registry
Cleaner in a particular situation. Of course you're not doing that.
You are simply saying Registry Cleaners are bad, bad, as have others.

derive a substantial portion of
my income helping people recover from the use of registry cleaners.

Oh please...

No, any blame would attach to the programmers who cannot be bothered to
develop proper uninstallation routines for their products.

That a boy, now defend Microsoft. The routine to uninstall software,
part of Windows from the beginning and now in Vista found in Control
Panel under Programs and Features is the Microsoft RECOMMEDND way to
uninalled software you no longer want on your system. It works poorly,
often leaving behind traces of applications you no longer want. True,
the uninstall routines from developers also often do the same. Hence

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.

I see you're now changing your tune. You changed from the original
claim all Registry cleaners are bad, bad, avoid them like the plague,
to now saying something more truthful; SOMETIMES some "cleaners" under
some situations COULD, not automatically will, but MAY cause
problems. That sounds like a 180 degree sift in what was originally
stated by the anti-Registry Cleaner crowd. ;-)

And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

You forgot to add IN YOUR OPINION. Mine experience is very different.
Countless times a friend, neighbor, has had a very sluggish system.
Running a quick check with some Registry Cleaner showed a forest of
broken links in the Registry. After "cleaning", performance was
noticeably better.

I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.

I was waiting for that. Now you're backtracking still more. What's
that? Now you're admitting there are good Registry Cleaners? You just
got done saying no "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good. Make up your mind.

Of course as often seen here you need to inject the typical put down.
Oh, you're an expert, you're so experienced, oh, you make your living
doing this, other puffing piled on which if meant to or not always
implies the vast majority of people coming to newsgroups like this are
just mindless dummies, but not you. Got it. Thanks for sharing your
OPINION. Got any facts?

You guys crack me up.

ROTFLMAO!

 

[keepout]

Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
Confused.

Telling someone to use a registry cleaner is NO HELP. Like telling someone you can run your car without any water in the radiator. For maybe2 minutes it'll work.

think about it. a registry line is plain text. Take the LARGEST text fileon your hard drive. Look at the size. 10 megs would be EXTREME for any text file.

If you ran a registry cleaner, there's no way you could clean out that many bad entries to make 10 megs.
To actually see any performance, you'd have to remove that much to see anything noticeable. And it'd all be in disk access speed.
At best you MIGHT gain 1 second in speed in accessing SOME programs.
VS the irreparable damage to your machine that you could cause by poking around in things you don't have a clue about..
IOW: when it comes to registry cleaners, if you have to ask, you don't know enough to use one safely.

Even virus cleaners warn you about deleting cookies. Something you can actually run without ever having one on your machine.
A registry entry tells some program on your machine, operation info. Without it you'll need to reinstall at a minimum.

No registry cleaning IS HELPFUL info. Messing with the registry no matterwho hypes it is a bad idea.

 

[keepout]

You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
that's always present.

Go right ahead, don't listen to anything anyone has said about DON'T messwith the registry. For you it's perfectly safe.

 

[keepout]

Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to
have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let
people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry
cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.

The best registry cleaner is NO REGISTRY cleaner. But if you have to pokearound in the registry, just fire up regedit. Make a backup of your registry, and have at it.

 

[Daave]

The fact is Registry Cleaners work when used properly is well
documented. All that's required is learning how to use Google and
you'll find countless articles from some REAL experts, not the fakers
that hang out here that confirm it.

Maybe there are fakers here making such claims, but you are also making
a claim. Are you able to back it up or not? If not, then you're no
different than the fanboys and fakers IMO.

 

[Alias]

The best registry cleaner is NO REGISTRY cleaner.

No, there are cleaners and then there are cleaners. One needs a good
cleaner that doesn't act like a shotgun and do it all automatically.

But if you have to poke around in the registry, just fire up regedit. Make a backup of your registry, and have at it.

Talk about dangerous ...

Alias

 

[keepout]

My system (Vista) crashed July 5th due to Trend Micro Anti-Spyware and I
paid $59. to talk to the people at Microsoft for 6 HOURS to get it
running again (best $59 bucks I ever spent.) Anyway... he (the
Microsoft guy) installed CCeaner on it... it's on my desktop right now.
I haven't used it again but clearly Microsoft thinks it's good and/or
safe or they wouldn't of installed it.

I've been using Trend for 9 years. they made 1 booboo with an engine release a few years back. I have to assume their QC picked up after that.It grabbed every resource when it rebooted. They had it fixed within thehour. But anyone it hit had no idea what caused the machine to come to acrawl.

I've been scanning with it daily, and weekly for all that time. Very clean safe machine.

My question is what makes you think it was Trend, and not something trendfound ?
Something trend found is a more likely cause of damage than trend.
There are things out there aimed specifically at trend. I've seen trend shut down without warning. Few & far between. But I usually find a nasty on the machine later. I hear Mcaffee, and Norton horror stories all the time, but not many about Trend.

What is CCeaner ?

 

[Adam Albright]

Tip Of The Day:
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...

My tip of the day. ALWAYS suspect ANYTHING any MVP claims.

ROTFLMAO!

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Total BS. Prove your case by stating chapter and verse. Take all the
room your need. Otherwise all you're doing is trying to bully YOUR
opinion. By the way, there is no "we", you can only speak for
yourself, so try to drop that crutch so many here us if you want to
have any creditability.

Sorry, Adam. But I can't help it if *you* are so utterly lacking in
first-hand experience. Maybe you should wait a few years before
spouting off on technical issues about which you know nothing.

The burden of proof is on you since you're broadly knocking Registry
Cleaners in general, then you ask me to prove a negative.

Not so. *YOU* claim registry cleaners do good things. I'm asking you
to offer proof of that claim. You can't. No one has ever been able to
do so.

That a boy, now defend Microsoft. The routine to uninstall software,
part of Windows from the beginning and now in Vista found in Control
Panel under Programs and Features is the Microsoft RECOMMEDND way to
uninalled software you no longer want on your system.

Yes, and what it does is call the application's uninstall routine; the
one provided by the application's developer.

It works poorly, often leaving behind traces of applications you no longer want.

Only when the aplications' developers take short cuts.

True,
the uninstall routines from developers also often do the same.

My point.

Hence
the need for Registry Cleaners. <grin>

No, because you still haven't established that these orphaned registry
entries, in and of themselves, do any harm.

I see you're now changing your tune. You changed from the original
claim all Registry cleaners are bad, bad, avoid them like the plague,
to now saying something more truthful; SOMETIMES some "cleaners" under
some situations COULD, not automatically will, but MAY cause
problems. That sounds like a 180 degree sift in what was originally
stated by the anti-Registry Cleaner crowd. ;-)

No, it's what I've always said.

You forgot to add IN YOUR OPINION. Mine experience is very different.
Countless times a friend, neighbor, has had a very sluggish system.
Running a quick check with some Registry Cleaner showed a forest of
broken links in the Registry. After "cleaning", performance was
noticeably better.

Countless neighbors and friends? Gee, what a lot of experience. Come
back when you've supported hundreds of systems professionally, for over
a decade.





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[Alias]

Maybe there are fakers here making such claims, but you are also making
a claim. Are you able to back it up or not? If not, then you're no
different than the fanboys and fakers IMO.

I have used SystemSuite 4 and 5 MANY times to fix up my computers. It
has been especially useful in removing files after an install (including
Windows) or an uninstall. That said, SystemSuite has two choices, an
automatic registry cleaner which I would never use and one where you
choose what to remove which I do use. After using it, I have seen my
boot up time go from two minutes to 40 seconds with XP.

Alias

 

[Adam Albright]

Maybe there are fakers here making such claims, but you are also making
a claim. Are you able to back it up or not? If not, then you're no
different than the fanboys and fakers IMO.

I wasn't asked a specific question. I detest anybody that makes
sweeping claims without proof, which again is what's happening with
the anti-Registry Cleaner crowd much like the defenders of the useless
UAC who since have backed away from the original everything is peachy
claims about Vista's so-called wonderful User Account Control BS.

The burden of proof in on those claiming Registry Cleaners are "bad"
and should be avoided. Just hot air. Where's their proof?

Somebody put some here =====>

Notice the original claim; all Registry Cleaners are bad, avoid at all
costs, which has now shifted to saying some are bad, but not all, or
only bad if you don't know what you're doing, but I do know kind of
posts which are so typical here. <snicker>

Well isn't that true for ANY application?

Have I said buy a Registry Cleaner, put it on automatic mode and let
it do it's thing? No! Neither has anybody else. I'm simply countering
the empty headed all Registry Cleaners are bad, they don't work noise
some keep making which is obviously based on their own bad experiences
or just "what they've heard".

I like FACTS. Anybody got some?

 

[Adam Albright]

The best registry cleaner is NO REGISTRY cleaner. But if you have to poke around in the registry, just fire up regedit. Make a backup of your registry, and have at it.

You just defeated your own argument. The whole point of using a
Registry Cleaner is to AVOID "poking around" in your Registry using
the build-in regedit. That for sure is how to get in trouble.

Let's deflate the main arguments the anti-Registry Cleaner crowd keeps
making, which is if you use them, such a application will just
automatically clean out what it finds without asking first.

Myth: All Registry Cleaners simply run wild and delete things without
asking first. Totally false!

Truth: Every Registry Cleaner I've tried and I've tired over a dozen,
ALWAYS shows you a list of what it SUGGESTS you remove. Most
allow you to view the details of each key and allow YOU to
walk down the list and uncheck what you might not want to
clean. Some even rank what they suggest you remove so you
can avoid deleting keys you're not sure about.

Myth: Since the Registry is just a text file, deleting a handful of
invalid keys has minimal effect on reducing the size of the size
of the Registry thus no value is realized.

Truth: Just a few orphaned keys can REALLY slow down the system
because Windows will invest time trying to follow the
instructions that no longer point to any valid file. How
much impact this has on performance depends on WHAT kind of
junk is left behind. So even removing just a few invalid
keys while it has no impact on the size of the Registry
can have a major impact on how fast Windows loads and how
well the system runs.

 

[MICHAEL]

* Arun:

Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista
Ultimate.............

One of the better discussions on registry cleaners,
can be found here; http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

Be sure to scroll through the many comments,
there are pro and con posts, along with some
user recommendations. The article was originally
posted back in 2005, but the comments have continued
up until recently.



-Michael

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

But if I had a car, and took out the V6 engine, and put in a V8 engine, I
would want the V6 distributor out, because it isn't doing anything.

My view is that if the old distributor wasn't hurting you in any way,
and unless you *knew* for sure that you could take it out without any
risk of breaking something, you should leave it in.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
Confused.

It is *often* true that the best way to help someone is not to answer
his question directly, but to explain that what he plans to do is
ill-advised.

If someone asks "which should I use to wash my car--coca-cola or
pepsi-cola?" it is *not* helpful to reply with either choice.

Regarding flaming, I agree with you entirely.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

My system (Vista) crashed July 5th due to Trend Micro Anti-Spyware and I
paid $59. to talk to the people at Microsoft for 6 HOURS to get it
running again (best $59 bucks I ever spent.) Anyway... he (the
Microsoft guy) installed CCeaner on it... it's on my desktop right now.
I haven't used it again but clearly Microsoft thinks it's good and/or
safe or they wouldn't of installed it.

Microsoft is not a monolithic company of clones, with all employees
having identical opinions on everything. Because one particular
Microsoft employee thinks it's good or safe does *not* mean that all
of Microsoft agrees.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Replacing a car engine demonstrates a fair amount of knowledge, well
beyond the average user.

 

[Adam Albright]

Sorry, Adam. But I can't help it if *you* are so utterly lacking in
first-hand experience. Maybe you should wait a few years before
spouting off on technical issues about which you know nothing.

I've been working with PC's for nearly 30 years and main frames before
that. Nothing anybody says that I haven't heard or done myself
countless times. Care to try again in giving me what I asked for? You
know, FACTS to back up your claim?

I won't hold my breath. As happened before, every time I challenge one
of the self-anointed "experts" here to backup their claims they never
can deliver and just pretend they know more. You're no different.

Not so. *YOU* claim registry cleaners do good things.

Maybe because I've used them over the years and know for a fact they
do work and know of many instances where other people have used them
with good success as well.

I'm asking you
to offer proof of that claim. You can't. No one has ever been able to
do so.

About the only way to "prove" they work would be to invite one of you
naysayers over to watch one in action testing system performance
before and after, but I'm guessing you still wouldn't believe.

I called your bluff. You claim they don't work, yet can't go beyond
making that sweeping self-serving statement. I ask you again, document
a case where a Registry Cleaner messed up a system that you have first
hand knowledge on. Put your FACTS here =====>

Countless neighbors and friends? Gee, what a lot of experience. Come
back when you've supported hundreds of systems professionally, for over
a decade.

A decade? I've been working with computers since 1966 kid, for major
corporations. You got a decade under your belt? Wow, I'm impressed.
Not.

 

[Adam Albright]

Replacing a car engine demonstrates a fair amount of knowledge, well
beyond the average user.

Another implied "I'm smarter then you" post from Jupiter. LOL!

 

[Adam Albright]

My view is that if the old distributor wasn't hurting you in any way,
and unless you *knew* for sure that you could take it out without any
risk of breaking something, you should leave it in.

Vista is a bloated 50 million lines of code and you probably don't see
any problem with that either. <wink>