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Bruce Chambers
Adam said:The fact is Registry Cleaners work when used properly is well
documented.
Then please provide links to such purported documentation. In all the
years I've supported the various Windows operating systems, I've *never*
been able to find any verifiable, independent laboratory reports that
demonstrate the alleged value of registry cleaners. The only people
claiming that registry cleaners do any real good are the people selling
them.
All that's required is learning how to use Google and
you'll find countless articles from some REAL experts, not the fakers
that hang out here that confirm it.
No, all Google turns up is marketing crap from the purveyors of these
snake oil products. No independent laboratory reports that even hint at
any benefits from using registry cleaners are to be found.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
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Alias
Bruce said:Then please provide links to such purported documentation. In all
the years I've supported the various Windows operating systems, I've
*never* been able to find any verifiable, independent laboratory reports
that demonstrate the alleged value of registry cleaners. The only
people claiming that registry cleaners do any real good are the people
selling them.
No, all Google turns up is marketing crap from the purveyors of
these snake oil products. No independent laboratory reports that even
hint at any benefits from using registry cleaners are to be found.
So don't use them.
Alias
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Mac
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keepout
So don't use them.
That right there is the BEST registry cleaner. NONE.
If someone wants to mess up their machine, just run regedit and start deleting things.
There's NEVER any need to physically by hand delete registry keys.
The key's are just taking up drive space until needed. Get a bigger HD ifthe registry's that big.
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Alias
That right there is the BEST registry cleaner. NONE.
If someone wants to mess up their machine, just run regedit and start deleting things.
There's NEVER any need to physically by hand delete registry keys.
The key's are just taking up drive space until needed. Get a bigger HD if the registry's that big.
I use SystemSuite5 and Crap Cleaner all the time and have never had a
problem on five Windows machines since 2000 when I started using first
SystemSuite4 and, later, Crap Cleaner. They have improved the
performance of my computers and have been *very* useful cleaning up the
crap that uninstalls and installs leave behind. As registry bloat is a
gradual thing, you don't even notice that your computer is getting
slower but it is.
Alias
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Mac
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Alias said:I use SystemSuite5 and Crap Cleaner all the time and have never had a
problem on five Windows machines since 2000 when I started using first
SystemSuite4 and, later, Crap Cleaner. They have improved the performance
of my computers and have been *very* useful cleaning up the crap that
uninstalls and installs leave behind. As registry bloat is a gradual
thing, you don't even notice that your computer is getting slower but it
is.
Alias
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Stephan Rose
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm?s_cid=ideas ?
Q. Why would anyone want to use a beta version of a MS registry cleaner?
A. Because they are perfectly happy using a beta version of the Operating
System.
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Stephan Rose said:A. Because they are perfectly happy using a beta version of the Operating
System.
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MICHAEL
* OzBoy:
Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
*is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.
User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.
At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.
-Michael
Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
Confused.
Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
*is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.
User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.
At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.
-Michael
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Adam Albright
Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
Confused.
In so-called "support" newsgroups like this there is always too much
Testosterone present. People form opinions based on their own
experiences. Those that have had trouble with Registry cleaners or
have heard rumors about them tend to bitch and moan they're no good.
These same people typically will boast they don't need them and claim
they can repair their Registry "by hand" or even more laughable say
let orphaned links in the Registry remain, they do no harm or they
imply they're so smart they know exactly what every one of the tens of
thousands of lines in a typical Registry does. Just more Testosterone
talking. So the guy that asked the original question only got a couple
suggestions, the focus shifting to the merits of using or not using a
Registry Cleaner, again blame the Testosterone.
It isn't just this thread, many threads end up going down hill in part
because there is a hard core clique of Microsoft apologists,
laughingly referred to as fanboys, that blindly support Microsoft and
overlook blunders or shortcoming no matter how severe. Why they do
that, you would have to ask them.
The idea IS to try to help people. At least that is my goal and a few
others. Note how I was attacked by the Bozo squad for writing an
article on the obscure Reliability Monitor. Some just had to show how
juvenile they can be by trying to make a big deal out of my saying it
was "hid" in Control Panel. Note nobody could or has many any
critiquing of the content of what I said or that hopefully the
information I provided helped some people which was the intend. The
focus was ha ha look at Adam, he thinks it was hidden, what a dope,
blah, blah, blah.
The trouble with newsgroups like this is there are way too many thirty
and forty something ten year olds that don't give a rat's ass about
actually helping anybody, it is all about turf battles and trying to
show up the other guy and trying to win pissing contests.
As usual too much truth for some to handle. ;-)
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Adam Albright
* OzBoy:
Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
*is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.
User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.
At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.
-Michael
You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
that's always present.
Give me some FACTS. Cite chapter and verse, not just bloated opinion.
Any application used improperly can pose a danger. Like Vista itself.
Funny the fanboys never ever are critical of the biggest enemy to PCs
everywhere: Windows. The point here being there would be little need
for Registry Cleaners IF Windows actually knew how to totally delete
applications you no longer wanted. The truth is it often doesn't clean
up totally and Windows is in part to blame. You would think with all
the mindless nag screens Vista has, it would be smart enough to pop up
a warning box saying such and such entry in Registry points to
nowhere. Wishful thinking.
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MICHAEL
* Adam Albright:
Adam,
I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.
Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)
out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways
than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.
-Michael
You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
that's always present.
Adam,
I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.
Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)
out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways
than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.
-Michael
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MICHAEL
* OzBoy:
Since this is a very busy group, I think it works a bit better
to just address issues as they come up, instead of adding
random discussion topics.
Either way, I reckon there will alway be folks who have very
strong opinions and things can get heated at times... no biggie.
Registry cleaners *can* be dangerous, they *may* be helpful.
I wouldn't suggest people use them as part of routine maintenance.
But, they may be useful when trying to fix a specific problem.
I think for most users, CrapCleaner should be fine. It doesn't
"dig" too deep and prompts to make a backup.
Stick around, OZ. You might find there are actually some
helpful folks around here and quite a bit of good info.
I've been participating in this group since June 2006, and
I really believe I've gotten a great deal from this group.
Take care,
Michael
Hi Michael
Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to
have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let
people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry
cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.
But I do understand what you mean just a little surprised at the some
of the posts under this topic.....no doubt I will continue to be
surprised as I get to know the site and it's members a little better.
Cheers OzBoy
Since this is a very busy group, I think it works a bit better
to just address issues as they come up, instead of adding
random discussion topics.
Either way, I reckon there will alway be folks who have very
strong opinions and things can get heated at times... no biggie.
Registry cleaners *can* be dangerous, they *may* be helpful.
I wouldn't suggest people use them as part of routine maintenance.
But, they may be useful when trying to fix a specific problem.
I think for most users, CrapCleaner should be fine. It doesn't
"dig" too deep and prompts to make a backup.
Stick around, OZ. You might find there are actually some
helpful folks around here and quite a bit of good info.
I've been participating in this group since June 2006, and
I really believe I've gotten a great deal from this group.
Take care,
Michael
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Hugh Jass
But if I had a car, and took out the V6 engine, and put in a V8 engine, I
would want the V6 distributor out, because it isn't doing anything.
would want the V6 distributor out, because it isn't doing anything.
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:28:58 -0500, OzBoy
What is being <ahem> "robustly debated" here, is whether there's any
point in registry cleaners at all, or more accuratrely, whether the
expected gains outweigh the risks.
Firstly; just how much performance impact does registry bloat have?
It may have been an issue in the Win95 days, especially when there
were 16-bit size limits on some registry structures, but now?
Secondly; are registry cleaners safe? The track record casts doubts
here, as often the OS or its apps have evolved to create registry
items that appear to be redundent, and are thus inappropriately
"cleaned", by registry cleaners.
The latter is one reason why a cleaner from MS may be on interest; at
least it will (or should) stay in synch with the way the evolving OS
changes the nature of registry usage.
Then again, the contents of the registry are defined not by the OS or
registry, but by the apps that create and use their keys.
You see this with file association issues and filespec parameters;
some apps require these to be "in quotes" to prevent spaces within the
filespec from being mistaken for an end-of-parameter delimiter, and
others will not work if these quotes are added.
For example, some graphic apps won't "find" target files unless "%1"
is used instead of %1, while others won't work with "%1".
Ambiguities in the way things are specified may cause some registry
entries to appear redundant, e.g. when matching...
%Variable%\Some Path
%Variable%\SomePa~1
"C:\Program Files\Some Path"
C:\Progra~1\SomePa~1"
....and there may be linkage hide-and-seek where the linkage path
passes through an app's private config files.
My own opinion, FWIW, is that registry cleaners are not worth the
bother. I've yet to see a recent system sped up by "cleaning the
registry", and I have seen hard-to-fix problems that follow them.
I do see stability etc. issues related to registry "leftovers", but
have managed these manually; I would not trust a registry cleaner to
automate this process, and the primary fix is not to do dumb-ass
things that spawn such problems (e.g. deleting application subtrees
instead of uninstalling apps, running sware directly off removable
disks, and various malware-related botch-ups).
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
Confused.
What is being <ahem> "robustly debated" here, is whether there's any
point in registry cleaners at all, or more accuratrely, whether the
expected gains outweigh the risks.
Firstly; just how much performance impact does registry bloat have?
It may have been an issue in the Win95 days, especially when there
were 16-bit size limits on some registry structures, but now?
Secondly; are registry cleaners safe? The track record casts doubts
here, as often the OS or its apps have evolved to create registry
items that appear to be redundent, and are thus inappropriately
"cleaned", by registry cleaners.
The latter is one reason why a cleaner from MS may be on interest; at
least it will (or should) stay in synch with the way the evolving OS
changes the nature of registry usage.
Then again, the contents of the registry are defined not by the OS or
registry, but by the apps that create and use their keys.
You see this with file association issues and filespec parameters;
some apps require these to be "in quotes" to prevent spaces within the
filespec from being mistaken for an end-of-parameter delimiter, and
others will not work if these quotes are added.
For example, some graphic apps won't "find" target files unless "%1"
is used instead of %1, while others won't work with "%1".
Ambiguities in the way things are specified may cause some registry
entries to appear redundant, e.g. when matching...
%Variable%\Some Path
%Variable%\SomePa~1
"C:\Program Files\Some Path"
C:\Progra~1\SomePa~1"
....and there may be linkage hide-and-seek where the linkage path
passes through an app's private config files.
My own opinion, FWIW, is that registry cleaners are not worth the
bother. I've yet to see a recent system sped up by "cleaning the
registry", and I have seen hard-to-fix problems that follow them.
I do see stability etc. issues related to registry "leftovers", but
have managed these manually; I would not trust a registry cleaner to
automate this process, and the primary fix is not to do dumb-ass
things that spawn such problems (e.g. deleting application subtrees
instead of uninstalling apps, running sware directly off removable
disks, and various malware-related botch-ups).
Tip Of The Day:-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
C
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
[/QUOTE]* OzBoy:
Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
*is* helping the user....
Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to
have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let
people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry
cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.
If the subject was "what's the best spam-marketed source of cheap
viagra?", what do you think the answer would be?
If the "best registry cleaner" is "nothing - leave it alone", then
that IS the answer. "If you pick it, it won't heal" ;-)
Our senses are our UI to reality------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
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Adam Albright
Typical ten year old response. You guys are so much fun to watch* Adam Albright:
Adam,
I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.
Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)
out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways
than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.
dance.
B
Bruce Chambers
Adam said:You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
that's always present.
Actually, what we've "offered" is years of first-hand observations and
experience. We've seen the trouble registry cleaners can cause. What
we've never seen, and what you've steadfastly refused to produce, is
*any* evidence that registry cleaners do any good.
Give me some FACTS.
Please do. I know what I've seen. I derive a substantial portion of
my income helping people recover from the use of registry cleaners.
...... Mindless rant snipped.
The point here being there would be little need
for Registry Cleaners IF Windows actually knew how to totally delete
applications you no longer wanted. The truth is it often doesn't clean
up totally and Windows is in part to blame.
No, any blame would attach to the programmers who cannot be bothered to
develop proper uninstallation routines for their products.
Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.
I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
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MICHAEL
* Adam Albright:
Adam- when you stop acting like a drunk ten year-old,
then you'll receive better responses.
You're dancing alone, bubba.
Carry on.
-Michael
Typical ten year old response. You guys are so much fun to watch
dance.
Adam- when you stop acting like a drunk ten year-old,
then you'll receive better responses.
You're dancing alone, bubba.
Carry on.
-Michael