A new hijacking

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No. They are for communicating. And I am helping by communicating that
much of the spyware problem is caused by fools infecting their own
computers.
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Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your
posts).

How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't
be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?)
 
Howard said:
Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your
posts).
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If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools,
then I feel I have helped.

And these aren't forums, but newsgroups.
How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't
be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?)
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Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me.

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kurttrail said:
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There are very few noobs left in the English-speaking world, so anyone
that is still getting their computer infected with spyware can't fall
back on "I'm just a noob" defense, especially the self-proffessed
"high-level pro" of an OP. And being as computer knowledgeable as me is
hardly all that necessary. All it takes is some common sense.
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A concept, that you don't seem to grasp, is that people have to be given
enough information to ask a question.

Y'know, what? You're really not worth discussing this with.

I'm outta here.

Notan
 
Notan said:
A concept, that you don't seem to grasp, is that people have to be
given enough information to ask a question.
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A link to a web page would suffice. Better yet a link to a Google
search. Along with the admonition that they are a fool for getting
their computer infected with spyware in the first place.
Y'know, what? You're really not worth discussing this with.
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LOL! Too late for you, fool.
I'm outta here.
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Outta where? You were never here.
Notan
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Change "Notan" to "KnowNothing."

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If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools,
then I feel I have helped.
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Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the
world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer?
And these aren't forums, but newsgroups.
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Newsgroups aren't types of forums?
Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me.
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If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the
implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just
consequences.

You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.
 
Amen to that.
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I got no problems. And I'm certainly not the most intelligent person on
the planet.
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Howard said:
Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the
world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer?
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It is better off when they aren't enabled by others to continue in their
foolish ways.
Newsgroups aren't types of forums?
Nope.


If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the
implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just
consequences.
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No, that isn't my implication at all. Negative reinforcement isn't
necessarily a punishment. Much of the time, it is just not
candy-coating the truth.
You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.
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LOL! You are a born enabler.

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Howard said:
Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the
world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer?


Newsgroups aren't types of forums?


If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the
implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just
consequences.

You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.
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Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt.

Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a
fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss.

Anything else would be coddling.

Take care!

Notan
 
Notan said:
Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt.
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You'd have to use reason first.
Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a
fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss.
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Yeah, I will tell a woman that she is fat, when asked if she fat. I
like telling the truth.
Anything else would be coddling.
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And not telling the truth.
Take care!
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It would seem you need to.

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It is better off when they aren't enabled by others to continue in their
foolish ways.
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But earlier in the thread you (I think), said they deserve punishment.

But responding to your statement here:

How so?

Give an example of the enabling you are referring to, and tell us how
the world would be better off if that enabling did not occur.

I have to admit that I'm not sure how to enable a fool to download bad
stuff other than by making the software less safe - which you said
you're not advocating. Actual examples will be meaningful.
Nope.
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Quick definitions (Forum)

# noun: a public facility to meet for open discussion
# noun: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion


So what part of these definitions don't apply?
 
Kephryn said:
I dont see where this discussion is going.

What get linux so fat people dont have to clean spyware?
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Use common sense while browsing the web, and if you end up getting your
computer infected with spyware, find out how to remove it on your own,
as there are plenty of web pages with the info.

IOW, Don't be a fat lazy fool that expects to get help from others every
time you stub your toe, as you should have been looking where you were
going in the first place.

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LOL! You are a born enabler.
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By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting
myself from them?

If I am an enabler - what do I do, or what *can* I do to enable these
fools? What do you do differently?
 
Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt.

Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a
fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss.

Anything else would be coddling.
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In the case of foolish computing the consequences are different from
being fat. I could let someone play with a loaded handgun trusting
that the only person who got hurt was the person playing with that
gun, and he would deserve what he got.

Except I'm smart enough to see that we all pay for the damage. And I
would prefer to be protected from that fool's actions. But then I'd
be as big of a fool as Kurt is, and just as deserving of the
consequences.
 
kurttrail said:
Use common sense while browsing the web, and if you end up getting your
computer infected with spyware, find out how to remove it on your own,
as there are plenty of web pages with the info.

IOW, Don't be a fat lazy fool that expects to get help from others every
time you stub your toe, as you should have been looking where you were
going in the first place.
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I understand your point of view, but if that is the only reason of the
discussion and your participation then there isnt a point to your point
of view.
 
Howard said:
But earlier in the thread you (I think), said they deserve punishment.
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No I didn't. Quote me.
But responding to your statement here:

How so?

Give an example of the enabling you are referring to, and tell us how
the world would be better off if that enabling did not occur.
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Right here.
I have to admit that I'm not sure how to enable a fool to download bad
stuff other than by making the software less safe - which you said
you're not advocating. Actual examples will be meaningful.
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A habitually crying baby. Keep paying attention to them every time they
cry, and all you teach them is that crying gets them attention.

Same thing with people expecting to get help with preventable malware on
their computer. Instead of learning how to avoid the malware in the
first place, by coddling them and handing them removal instructions,
they don't learn to prevent the malware, but become dependent on other
to help them remove it.
Quick definitions (Forum)

# noun: a public facility to meet for open discussion
# noun: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion


So what part of these definitions don't apply?
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MS groups aren't totally open discussions. They are often censored,
especially when Brannugget is on the rag.

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Howard said:
By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting
myself from them?
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By accepting that people cannot be motivated to rise above their own
foolishness.

How are you protecting yourself from them?
If I am an enabler - what do I do, or what *can* I do to enable these
fools? What do you do differently?
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LOL! Supplying them motivation not to continue in their foolish ways,
by not excepting their excuses for getting their computers infected with
spyware, and by telling them the truth that they are more fools, than
victims.

If someone tells you that a lamp is not plugged in, and to bend up the
contact to fix a lamp socket, and you do it and get shocked, then you've
been victimized. If you keep doing it over and over again, then you are
just a fool.

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Howard said:
In the case of foolish computing the consequences are different from
being fat. I could let someone play with a loaded handgun trusting
that the only person who got hurt was the person playing with that
gun, and he would deserve what he got.
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HUH? Both of those affect other people. I guess you never had to sit
next to some fat f*#ker on an airplane. And playing with guns gets
people shot, and not only those doing the playing.
Except I'm smart enough to see that we all pay for the damage. And I
would prefer to be protected from that fool's actions. But then I'd
be as big of a fool as Kurt is, and just as deserving of the
consequences.
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What consequences are there for you if someone gets spyware on their
computer?

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