Window is stealing my HD size

[dew]

Your above measurements would get into trouble for the beer, since
it does not contain a unit. Unless 'k' is really customary (according
to NIST) as abreviation for "keg"? I would not know.

Customary units dont have to be in the NIST to be allowed under US law.

The kittens example is not even correct language. "2k of cats"?

Irrelevant to whether its legal or not.

What is that supposed to mean?

Here you might get into the laws on incorrect labeling instead.

US law isnt that gung ho. Most obviously with
the abbreviations allowed in classified ads etc.
They dont have to be in the NIST either.

 

[dew]

You did not see what was defined as "Customary".

Yes I did.

Thet would be what NIST thinks is customary

No it isnt. There are plenty of the more obscure units that dont
appear in the NIST, mostly those used in particular industrys
like Clarke's ksi for example. Legally fine under US law.

and you can bet that the relevent NIST
publication gives very precise definitions.

Only for the most commonly used customary units.

 

[J. Clarke]

Your above measurements would get into trouble for the beer, since
it does not contain a unit. Unless 'k' is really customary (according
to NIST) as abreviation for "keg"? I would not know.

The kittens example is not even correct language. "2k of cats"?
What is that supposed to mean? Here you might get into the
laws on incorrect labeling instead.

Arno, by arguing that the NIST is going to get involved in a sale of beer at
a local package store or of kittens in a pet store you have clearly
demonstrated that you have not the slightest clue how American law works.

Just give it up, Arno. You're wasting your time and mine and everybody
else's and the main thing that you're accomplishing is demonstrating my
earlier contention that Europeans discoursing on American law usually make
fools of themselves.

I could write you a long (_very_ long, notes for a full semester college
course wouldn't really cover it) essay on the varied jurisdictions of
various agencies in the US, however the bottom line is that NIST doesn't
have any say in the sale of kittens at a pet store. To take just _two_
points it's a regulatory agency with no police powers and it's a Federal
agency which means that it is constrained from interfering in intrastate
trade unless specific conditions exist, none of which would appear to be
present during the transaction in question.

As for your argument "what is that supposed to mean", it is supposed to mean
that the store sold two kittens and the mouth-breathing high-school dropout
behind the counter abbreviated "kitten" with the letter "k", which any
native speaker of English would have little trouble figuring out.

Maybe in Germany some regulatory agency will bust down his door and arrest
him for this heinous crime, but in the US the government just plain doesn't
give a damn.

 

[Arno Wagner]

Arno Wagner wrote:

But NIST standards are not laws.

True. A standard cannot regulate enforcements and penalties. But a law
can say "follow that standard or there will these specific
consequences and these people are allowed to check whether you are in
compliance". Not everyting need to be stated in a law itself, laws can
delegate some things to other texts. Usually there are specific
limits. For example the standard may need to be produced by a federal
entity tasked to do so. NIST certainly qualifies for that.

Honestly, if you ever plan to open a business, you should get legal
advice. This is not advanced stuff we are discussing.

Arno

 

[Arno Wagner]

Pity its just plain wrong with CUSTOMARY units
which are very explicitly allowed under US law.

Read it again. I think you missed what the definition of
''customary'' in that law was.

Hint: You might find the term "National Institite of Standards
and Technology" in there.

Arno

 

[dew]

True. A standard cannot regulate enforcements and penalties. But a law
can say "follow that standard or there will these specific consequences
and these people are allowed to check whether you are in compliance".

Pity that doesnt happen with any US law on the use of the SI M and G prefixes.

In spite of what you claimed.

Not everyting need to be stated in a law itself, laws can delegate
some things to other texts. Usually there are specific limits. For
example the standard may need to be produced by a federal
entity tasked to do so. NIST certainly qualifies for that.

Honestly, if you ever plan to open a business, you should
get legal advice. This is not advanced stuff we are discussing.

No need, he clearly understands how US law works a hell of a lot better than you do.

 

[dew]

Read it again.

No need, I read if fine the first time, and managed to comprehend it too.

I think you missed what the definition of ''customary'' in that law was.

It wasnt defined as absolutely as you claim.

Hint: You might find the term "National Institite
of Standards and Technology" in there.

It does NOT say that that is the only acceptible customary
units and you wont find Clarke's ksi defined in there, and
the use of it isnt illegal under any US law either.

Thats true in spades of binary M and G prefixes, because they
have been customary in the computer industry for a long time now.

 

[J. Clarke]

True. A standard cannot regulate enforcements and penalties. But a law
can say "follow that standard or there will these specific
consequences and these people are allowed to check whether you are in
compliance".

So find me a law that says this.

Not everyting need to be stated in a law itself, laws can
delegate some things to other texts. Usually there are specific
limits. For example the standard may need to be produced by a federal
entity tasked to do so. NIST certainly qualifies for that.

Honestly, if you ever plan to open a business, you should get legal
advice. This is not advanced stuff we are discussing.

I already have "gotten legal advice". Your problem is that you are assuming
that things work in the US the way they do wherever you are, when they do
not.

 

[J. Clarke]

Read it again. I think you missed what the definition of
''customary'' in that law was.

There is none.

Hint: You might find the term "National Institite of Standards
and Technology" in there.

Yes, you will, and you will also find that the State of Arksansas reserves
the right to override the NIST handbook when it suits their purpose.

But this is going rather far aside, as you have not demonstrated that the
capacity of a disk falls within the legal definition of "weights and
measures". If disks were sold by the byte you might have an argument
there, but they aren't. You buy a disk. The price is only vaguely related
to the capacity, and the trade laws are concerned with giving fair value,
not with the minutiae of devices sold in quantities of "each".

By the way, what kind of scale or ruler or other device does one use to
determine the capacity of a disk drive and how does one calibrate it?

 

[J. Clarke]

Since using google seems to be too much effort for you, here is one:

http://www.plantboard.org/weights measures law.htm

Seems to be from Arkansas.

You might also want to look here:

http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/laws/ncwm-uniform-laws.html

Where you can also find the "Uniform Packaging and Labeling Regulation"
and a document giving the adoption status of it and the the Uniform
Weights and Measures Law (5th link from the top). If I read this
correctly, every state besides Rhode Island has adopted the Weight
and Measurement law, however Rhode Island uses it as guideline.

Here is something else, which provides a neat summary
of why being metric has advantages:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode15/usc_sec_15_00000205---a000-.html

Personally I think that should be more than enough. You may
continue this discussion without my participation from here
onwards. You obviously have no interest in the truth, merely in
maintaining your own misconceptions. Otherwise you could have
easily found all the above by yourself.

You are the one who has been making assertions that there exists some law or
other. The burden has been upon you to prove it right along. You have no
idea what I might believe or what "preconceptions" I might have--people who
don't know me well think that I'm a Catholic, a Jew, or an Atheist and that
I am in favor of or opposed to gun control and many other things. Don't
attempt to judge someone's views by the questions they ask you. The only
thing you can determine with certainty is that I chose to pin you down on
your assertions.

 

[dew]

There is none.


Yes, you will, and you will also find that the State of Arksansas
reserves the right to override the NIST handbook when it suits their
purpose.

But this is going rather far aside, as you have not demonstrated that
the capacity of a disk falls within the legal definition of "weights
and measures". If disks were sold by the byte you might have an
argument there, but they aren't. You buy a disk. The price is only
vaguely related to the capacity, and the trade laws are concerned
with giving fair value, not with the minutiae of devices sold in
quantities of "each".

And if binary GBs were used without making it clear that
binary GBs were intended instead of decimal GBs, no one
would prosecute anyway, because the buyer would have
got a bigger drive than was expected anyway.

 

[Alexander Grigoriev]

Folks, your arguments don't have anything to do with the OP's problem.
His disk is screwed because BIOS doesn't support BigLBA. He's only got about
128+10GB usable space, which is about 128GiB.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Stop playing the troll, Grigoriev.
You can't be actually *that* clueless.

Folks, your arguments don't have anything to do with the OP's problem.

Yes it does.

His disk is screwed because BIOS doesn't support BigLBA.

There is nothing screwed.
All there is is a small discrepancy between what Windows says is used
space in directories in properties and what it says is free and used space
for D: in explorer, which difference could well be the slack space.
That's all.

He's only got about 128+10GB usable space, which is about 128GiB.

As said before, that's utter nonsense.

 

[Rod Speed]

Folks, your arguments don't have anything to do with the OP's problem.

Irrelevant, the thread diverged off to other detail.

His disk is screwed because BIOS doesn't support BigLBA. He's only got about 128+10GB
usable space, which is about 128GiB.

I said that very early in the thread.

 

[Rod Speed]

Folks, your arguments don't have anything to do with the OP's problem.

Irrelevant, the thread diverged off to other detail.

His disk is screwed because BIOS doesn't support BigLBA.

Wrong, its supported fine. The only problem is the confusion that
arose from the way its size is reported in Disk Management etc.

He's only got about 128+10GB
usable space, which is about 128GiB.

Wrong again, he clearly can use the space past 128GiB fine.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Irrelevant, the thread diverged off to other detail.


I said that very early in the thread.

One Roddles that doesn't know what the other Roddles wrote.

 

[Horst Franke]

In Folkert Rienstra typed:

One Roddles that doesn't know what the other Roddles wrote.

Hi Folkert, what do You mind to explore this also for foreigners?
I tend to aggree to Alexander's position. The 128 GB IS a limit.
Horst

 

[Rod Speed]

In Folkert Rienstra typed:

Hi Folkert, what do You mind to explore this also for foreigners?

Repeat in pure english.

I tend to aggree to Alexander's position.

More fool you.

The 128 GB IS a limit.

Have fun explaining how come everything works fine
and the only problem is with how the capacity is
reported using GiBs in the Device Manager.

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Rod Speed typed:

Repeat in pure english.

Hi Rod, I asked him to explain the meaning of "Roddles"!

More fool you. WHY? See below:

Have fun explaining how come everything works fine
and the only problem is with how the capacity is
reported using GiBs in the Device Manager.

That's an OLD discussion point of view!
Every PC user should know the difference of GB's vs. GiB's!
Horst

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Hi Rod, I asked him to explain the meaning of "Roddles"!

It has no meaning, its just another variation on a name,
like Bobby is for Robert and Jimmy is for James.

And HorseShit for Horst.

WHY?

Because you are just plain wrong, as always.

See below:

Completely useless, as always.

That's an OLD discussion point of view!

Pity it isnt something the OP is aware of.

Every PC user should know the difference of GB's vs. GiB's!

The OP clearly doesnt. That is the ONLY problem he actually
has, that Disk Management is reporting the drive in GBs when
they are actually GiBs and he was whining about where the
purported missing space had gone when the manufacture
says its a 200GB drive.