Vista licence: punishment for frequent upgraders?

[JAD]

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:46:41 +0000, John Doe wrote:



"What amazes me is the persistent blindness" and inability of people like
you to maintain an open mind.

Whenever someone mentions Linux, you belch out the same unqualified drivel
much like some drone who has never had an self-originating thought in his
life.

I would imagine you have always driven automobiles made by the same
manufacturer as well.
section.

I *look* a lot. Microsoft stuff is way out of my league when it comes to
price.


That's true. However, that's because Linux software is found online
(free), not in the store where it costs tons.

and THAT is the only reason it exists, cause if it weren't free........linux
who?

That may be so in your world, so carry on with your new heavy-duty Windows
Vistabloat because when it comes to Linux? You have no idea what you're
talking about. You just rattle off the same crap you have for years.
The one true sign of a closed and brittle mind.

speaking of closed minds- none more closed than linux zealots

 

[JAD]

Oh brother.

Microsoft doesn't have to abuse its monopoly power, that power by
itself is what keeps Linux off of the desktop. The power to exclude
competition is part of the definition.

You keep fishing.

Your pissed about nothing...linux keeps itself off the desktop by moving
as slow as a snail

 

[Tomcat (Tom)]

I would imagine you have always driven automobiles made by the same
manufacturer as well.

Actually automobiles is a good analogy here. I drive a Hyundai and,
sure, when I go to the auto-parts store I don't see many products on
the shelf for my car. I see tons of stuff for the more popular Toyota
models. But my car suits my needs, is cheap, and does everything I
need it to. That's the same with Linux. Toyota doesn't have a
monopoly power over Hyundai any more than MS does over Linux. Linux is
a capable OS with enough open-source software choices to do what most
average people need it to do. But the fact is, people like the
features and ease of use of Windows to the extent they are currently
using it in large numbers and paying well for it too. What is MS doing
wrong???

The problem with the anti-microsoft-monopoly-labeling people is they
have no answer to the problem (if you can even call it a problem) other
than government intervention and communist dictator type solutions like
forcing microsoft to break down everything its worked for and become
free and open sourced and adopt a totally different business model
which isn't even proven to work long-term yet, or impose fines on MS
that equal the GDP of a small country.

 

[John Doe]

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:46:41 +0000, John Doe wrote:

<snip>

Whenever someone mentions Linux, you belch out the same
unqualified drivel much like some drone who has never had an
self-originating thought in his life.

That's funny considering my favorite pasttime is invention (no, I'm
not famous). I have been developing a shortcut key language in
Windows. Something that would be way out of reach in Linux, not even
in the ballpark.

I would imagine you have always driven automobiles made by the
same manufacturer as well.

Yeah, if it is the only car that will get me from here to there.

 

[John Doe]

Like I said, what amazes me is the persistent blindness about the
subject of Linux and why it can't compete with Windows, including
from ignorant trolls like this one.


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Microsoft doesn't have to abuse its monopoly power, that power by
itself is what keeps Linux off of the desktop. The power to exclude
competition is part of the definition.

Your pissed about nothing...linux keeps itself off the desktop by moving
as slow as a snail

 

[John Doe]

The problem with the anti-microsoft-monopoly-labeling people is
they have no answer to the problem (if you can even call it a
problem) other than government intervention and communist dictator
type solutions like forcing microsoft to break down everything its
worked for and become free and open sourced and adopt a totally
different business model which isn't even proven to work long-term
yet, or impose fines on MS that equal the GDP of a small country.

My opinion happens to agree with almost every intelligent and well
educated person in the world, and every court Microsoft has been
tried in.

The problem with Microsoft-defending libertarians is, just like
Linux, their ideas are fit for a closet.

In my opinion, you are welcome to discuss your ignorant ideas about
Windows versus Linux here, but you can find much livelier pointless
babbling in a Linux or Windows advocacy group. You get the same dose
of reality from me, it's easy since I'm just repeating the opinion
of everyone that matters, to help keep the record straight.

 

[Tomcat (Tom)]

My opinion happens to agree with almost every intelligent and well
educated person in the world,

So do you think the thousands of successful companies that are
Microsoft Service Providers, and the thousands of people that are
Microsoft certified professionals, and the millions of people that are
happy Windows users, are all either secretly anti-microsoft or else
just plain stupid? No, I think there are many educated intelligent
people that support MS because MS offers a better product than anybody
else has come up with and has MS has sold this product in a free and
open market.

and every court Microsoft has been
tried in.

And there have been settlements and actions taken based on those
rulings. How is this relevant anymore in 2006? These rulings were
based on MS's past actions, not anything currently, and the computer
industry is changing every year making past rulings even more obsolete
as time goes on.

 

[JAD]

Like I said, what amazes me is the persistent blindness about the
subject of Linux and why it can't compete with Windows, including
from ignorant trolls like this one.

What does this mean anyway.......? You keep saying the same stuff over and
over, changing just the phraseology.


Linux moves at a snails pace...there is no denying that. Who cares why or
how, whos ignorant who isn't, whos a troll who isn't, history tells us so.
Petty bickering amongst the early developers kept things chaotic. The chaos
spewed out to the poor souls trying to get a OS installed and working. Hard
lines were drawn as to what open source would mean. This split the paths in
which xinux would take. When it was realized that the internal bickering
caused major setbacks, dawn of the attitude...All stand to blame Ms for
xinux's snail pace. Linux is always trying to be 'windows' like. Eventually
all the good things about both will merge and we will have Windux.

You and J 'zealot' conners will not be able to take any credit for it,
regardless of the pompous signatures. Keeping the 'Atititude' going is
not helping, furthers the chaos.

 

[JAD]

My opinion happens to agree with almost every intelligent and well
educated person in the world, and every court Microsoft has been
tried in.

The problem with Microsoft-defending libertarians is, just like
Linux, their ideas are fit for a closet.

In my opinion, you are welcome to discuss your ignorant ideas about
Windows versus Linux here, but you can find much livelier pointless
babbling in a Linux or Windows advocacy group. You get the same dose
of reality from me, it's easy since I'm just repeating the opinion
of everyone that matters, to help keep the record straight.

John 'representin' the whole of intelligent society.....GMAB you are
hilarious

 

[John Doe]

You don't even know what the most important part of "monopoly power"
is and yet you insist on babbling as if you know something about the
subject. Your simplistic libertarian politics is your guide and it
shows.


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My opinion happens to agree with almost every intelligent and well
educated person in the world,

So do you think the thousands of successful companies that are
Microsoft Service Providers, and the thousands of people that are
Microsoft certified professionals, and the millions of people that are
happy Windows users, are all either secretly anti-microsoft or else
just plain stupid? No, I think there are many educated intelligent
people that support MS because MS offers a better product than anybody
else has come up with and has MS has sold this product in a free and
open market.

and every court Microsoft has been
tried in.

And there have been settlements and actions taken based on those
rulings. How is this relevant anymore in 2006? These rulings were
based on MS's past actions, not anything currently, and the computer
industry is changing every year making past rulings even more obsolete
as time goes on.

 

[J. Conners]

What does this mean anyway.......? You keep saying the same stuff over and
over, changing just the phraseology.


Linux moves at a snails pace...there is no denying that. Who cares why or
how, whos ignorant who isn't, whos a troll who isn't, history tells us so.
Petty bickering amongst the early developers kept things chaotic. The chaos
spewed out to the poor souls trying to get a OS installed and working. Hard
lines were drawn as to what open source would mean. This split the paths in
which xinux would take. When it was realized that the internal bickering
caused major setbacks, dawn of the attitude...All stand to blame Ms for
xinux's snail pace. Linux is always trying to be 'windows' like. Eventually
all the good things about both will merge and we will have Windux.

You and J 'zealot' conners will not be able to take any credit for it,
regardless of the pompous signatures. Keeping the 'Atititude' going is
not helping, furthers the chaos.

Hmmmmm, why are you so upset? Probably due to your inability to create
true believers out of the remaining few Windows non-believers?

Whether Linux *ever* becomes mainstream is irrelavent. The fact that it
exists and that a great many people use it is all that matters.

By the way, please don't call people 'zealots' unless you know them *and*
their psycological profiles. For example I have 2 computers running
Windows XP and one running Xubuntu Linux. Hardly makes me a 'zealot' in
either direction.

However, it does permit me to comment on *both* OSs as I actually *use*
both, unlike some who think they know all but explore little. In your
case all one needs to do is observe your prolific posts to this NG
expounding on your degree of expertise on just about anything and
everything. That, in and of itself, normally begs questioning.

By the way, the sig. is not pompous it merely reflects a truth. The same
could be said for Windows.


--

___________________________________________________________________
Jack Conners

Linux *is* User-Friendly. It just isn't Idiot-Friendly or Stupid-Friendly!!!

XUbuntu 6.10
'Linux for Human Beings'

 

[Mike T.]

I think that "force" that is keeping Linux off the desktop is that its
supporters are geeks that don't care to make it user friendly for a
broad base of users.

You are aware that there are literally hundreds of distros of linux, and
that some of them are specifically aimed at former windows users who don't
want to learn linux, right? Why would the linux geeks care to make
something user friendly that is already user friendly?

They are actually proud of the fact you have to
have a slightly above average IQ to install and configure it.

The last three distros of linux I tried were all significantly easier to
install and configure than Windows XP ever will be. -Dave

 

[JAD]

Hmmmmm, why are you so upset? Probably due to your inability to create
true believers out of the remaining few Windows non-believers?

upset? thats your take on this? I'm trying to convert folks? Windows hardly
needs 'me' to do that.
Although it does seem that xinux needs you, or is it, you need xinux....not
sure which.
It takes alot more than a discussion of OS's to make me upset, life is too
short.
Certainly doesn't motivate me to spend the time to create a pompous
signature.

Whether Linux *ever* becomes mainstream is irrelavent. The fact that it
exists and that a great many people use it is all that matters.

really? then why all the rhetoric? Why the sig? oooo kay Jc whatever you
say

By the way, please don't call people 'zealots' unless you know them *and*
their psycological profiles. For example I have 2 computers running
Windows XP and one running Xubuntu Linux. Hardly makes me a 'zealot' in
either direction.

Linux *is* User-Friendly. It just isn't Idiot-Friendly or Stupid-Friendly!!!

XUbuntu 6.10
'Linux for Human Beings'

Zealot or salesman?

However, it does permit me to comment on *both* OSs as I actually *use*
both, unlike some who think they know all but explore little. In your
case all one needs to do is observe your prolific posts to this NG
expounding on your degree of expertise on just about anything and
everything. That, in and of itself, normally begs questioning.

really? now whos claiming to 'know' me? I rarely post anything out of the
realm of my experience.
If I do, you see an IMO added. I've been here for a number of years, posts
do pile up.

I rarely get into this petty crap, as most times I am using my personal
machine and Jdoe is never seen there. Just using the time in some way, while
the new PSU and memory get some use in this machine.

By the way, the sig. is not pompous

really? elevating yourself above the average windows user because you use
xinux? seems pompous to me, (IMO i'm not a head shrinker, although I did
stay at a Holiday Inn express).

it merely reflects a truth. The same
could be said for Windows.

That windows speaks the truth?
_snip pompous signature _

 

[John Doe]

United States Court of Appeals

....

Microsoft argues that the District Court incorrectly defined the
relevant market. It also claims that there is no barrier to entry
in that market... Rejecting each argument, we uphold the District
Court's finding of monopoly power in its entirety.

....

Considering the possibility of new rivals, the court focused not
only on Micro- soft's present market share, but also on the
structural barrier that protects the company's future position. That
barrier--the "applications barrier to entry"--stems from two
characteristics of the software market: (1) most consumers prefer
operating systems for which a large number of applications have
already been written; and (2) most developers prefer to write for
operating systems that already have a substantial consumer base.
This "chicken-and-egg" situation ensures that applications will
continue to be written for the already dominant Windows, which in
turn ensures that consumers will continue to prefer it over other
operating systems.

 

[Mike T.]

What amazes me is the persistent blindness about the subject,
steadfastly denying reality. It's like some people never go to a
store and look at the software section. It's not just games, it's
practically every application there is for a personal computer.

Well there's your problem ...

Almost nobody who runs linux buys applications for it in "a store". The
vast majority of software for linux is open source AND free. I suppose
somebody could burn (a linux application) to a CD/DVD, wrap it up pretty and
put it on a store shelf. A couple of problems with that, though. First,
nobody would pay for what they can download free in a minute or so. Second,
even if you were stupid enough to pay for free software, you'd end up with
something that is outdated anyway, if you installed it from CD-Rom. Linux
apps. are constantly being improved. If you downloaded (a linux
application) yesterday, you don't have the current version.

Nope, the only thing that is holding linux back is not enough (high-end,
current) games are ported to linux. Everything else is available for linux.
But OF COURSE you won't find linux applications on store shelves. Some
people do prefer to buy linux distros (the various linux OS versions) in
stores, but most linux users really don't understand such silly behavior.
-Dave

 

[Mike T.]

and THAT is the only reason it exists, cause if it weren't
free........linux
who?

Well, there's something to be said for SPEED and STABILITY and SECURITY.
Most people who run linux are running it for a mix of those three reasons
(compared specifically to windows). The fact that many of them get the
software free, also? Just icing on the cake

 

[John Doe]

John 'representin' the whole of intelligent society.....GMAB you
are hilarious

I ain't be representin nothin.

I'm just trying to school the ignorant who are too lazy to find
information for themselves.



UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS

....

Microsoft argues that the District Court incorrectly defined the
relevant market. It also claims that there is no barrier to entry
in that market... Rejecting each argument, we uphold the District
Court's finding of monopoly power in its entirety.

....

Considering the possibility of new rivals, the court focused not
only on Micro- soft's present market share, but also on the
structural barrier that protects the company's future position. That
barrier--the "applications barrier to entry"--stems from two
characteristics of the software market: (1) most consumers prefer
operating systems for which a large number of applications have
already been written; and (2) most developers prefer to write for
operating systems that already have a substantial consumer base.
This "chicken-and-egg" situation ensures that applications will
continue to be written for the already dominant Windows, which in
turn ensures that consumers will continue to prefer it over other
operating systems.

 

[Mike T.]

That's funny considering my favorite pasttime is invention (no, I'm

not famous). I have been developing a shortcut key language in
Windows. Something that would be way out of reach in Linux, not even
in the ballpark.

You're saying that you can't code shortcut keys because the OS will prevent
you from doing so?

Is that your final answer?

I don't knw why I'd want to develop a shortcut key language, but if I did,
I'd take a crack at it on linux first. Trying to develop something like
that for the windows environment would be a major PITA. -Dave

 

[Rod Speed]

Matt wrote

I think that "force" that is keeping Linux off the desktop is that its
supporters are geeks that don't care to make it user friendly for a
broad base of users. They are actually proud of the fact you have
to have a slightly above average IQ to install and configure it.

Its more that those that arent that bone headed have to play catchup with MS.

Its been hilarious watching the distros like ubuntu that do attempt
to make theirs as easy to install and use as the MS products still
end up lagging considerably behind the current MS product.

While ubuntu does better than most with doing what the user is
likely to want to do when he plugs his digital camera into the system,
it doesnt get within a bulls roar of that with ipods particularly.

And there are other factors that ensure that no live CD will ever quite
make it, most obviously with complete write support for ntfs partitions.

 

[John Doe]

You're saying that you can't code shortcut keys because the OS
will prevent you from doing so?

Is that your final answer?

You don't know what you're talking about.

I don't knw why I'd want to develop a shortcut key language,

No one is asking you to try. No one cares whether you try. No one
cares that you couldn't even if you did try.

but if I did, I'd take a crack at it on linux first.

And other fairy tales.

Trying to develop something like that for the windows environment
would be a major PITA. -Dave

Considering the fact you don't even know what I'm talking about, you
have no idea what it's like.

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