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Crispy Critter
Yea, I've seen a few of those on the shelves. They must think we are really
stupid to fall for that one.
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You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
stupid to fall for that one.
C
Crispy Critter
Should you change the hard drive and another piece of hardware - for
example for a major upgrade such as a motherboard change that requires
a re-installation - Microsoft will allow you to re-activate up to 10
times. You will not, however, be able to have more than one machine
activated concurrently.
I've read it and it is still BS. If what he says is true then they better
change the EULA and put it in black and white. Still, 10 activations is too
limiting, IMO.
J
John Doe
I am replying to the troll even though he's probably arguing
contrary to his own real opinion just to be antagonistic and waste
time.
For the most childish remarks, try proofreading your own replies.
The troll is supposed to be a programmer and he doesn't understand
the concept.
But of course that has nothing to do with what I said. I said
non-Microsoft companies would make the applications. That means
companies not on Microsoft's payroll.
As I already plainly stated the very simple concept, other companies
would write the software. Therefore they would not work for
Microsoft or be commissioned by Microsoft.
Eureka!
The troll figured it out.
Only in the troll's head.
No one here pays $150 for Windows. In the troll's home country, they
probably don't pay anything at all for Windows. They download the
software and apply the crack.
Even being a programmer, I would be surprised if the troll pays
anything at all for Windows in the first place.
Freeware authors are happy to program for Windows because of
Windows' massive distribution. They enjoy the publicity and hope
someday to make money writing software. There are downloadable
freeware programs that are better than the programs included with
Windows.
The troll's analogy is obviously just a thoughtless waste of time.
He is supposed to be a programmer but acts like he doesn't know the
difference between the operating system and applications.
Microsoft controls user input. Microsoft controls how the user
interacts with programs. Microsoft controls how programs interact
with other programs and computer hardware.
But the troll knows that, I would hope so anyway.
But of course the Internet has nothing to do with how a user and
programs and hardware interact on a personal computer.
Microsoft Windows controls what we do with our computers and
controls how applications work. Microsoft could easily prevent
non-Microsoft applications from running at all in Windows.
But the troll knows that already.
Whether they are available as nothing to do with whether they are
better. That's part of the point. The question is whether Microsoft
can coerce users into using Microsoft's products.
The stalker troll is just trying to waste everyone's time.
See also:
"Anonymous" <god_of_you hotmail.com>
"Gotcha_Last" <woohoo2youREMOVE nc.rr.com>
"news.east.earthlink.net" <no emailforyou.com>
"WooHoo2You" <no email.com>
"WooHoo2You" <no emailforyou.com>
contrary to his own real opinion just to be antagonistic and waste
time.
"John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns98681FA5F89E60123456789 207.115.17.102...
That has to be one of the most childish remarks
For the most childish remarks, try proofreading your own replies.
Software packs?
The troll is supposed to be a programmer and he doesn't understand
the concept.
We are going to have other companies make our programs, but they
will still be on our payroll.
But of course that has nothing to do with what I said. I said
non-Microsoft companies would make the applications. That means
companies not on Microsoft's payroll.
If you work for MS or are commissioned by MS makes very little
difference at all.
As I already plainly stated the very simple concept, other companies
would write the software. Therefore they would not work for
Microsoft or be commissioned by Microsoft.
If they are packs from 3rd parties,
Eureka!
The troll figured it out.
it just makes the problem worse,
Only in the troll's head.
150 dollars for an o/s
No one here pays $150 for Windows. In the troll's home country, they
probably don't pay anything at all for Windows. They download the
software and apply the crack.
and now I have to buy more just to get started.
Even being a programmer, I would be surprised if the troll pays
anything at all for Windows in the first place.
Freeware authors are happy to program for Windows because of
Windows' massive distribution. They enjoy the publicity and hope
someday to make money writing software. There are downloadable
freeware programs that are better than the programs included with
Windows.
No, my analogy is much closer.
The troll's analogy is obviously just a thoughtless waste of time.
He is supposed to be a programmer but acts like he doesn't know the
difference between the operating system and applications.
MS does not control the internet,
Microsoft controls user input. Microsoft controls how the user
interacts with programs. Microsoft controls how programs interact
with other programs and computer hardware.
But the troll knows that, I would hope so anyway.
that would be more akin to the 'road.'
But of course the Internet has nothing to do with how a user and
programs and hardware interact on a personal computer.
You are saying that MS' programs that come preinstalled and
produced by them are controlling what we see and do with our
computers?
Microsoft Windows controls what we do with our computers and
controls how applications work. Microsoft could easily prevent
non-Microsoft applications from running at all in Windows.
But the troll knows that already.
As well as make it hard for other people to create similar
software that does the same thing better/faster?
Whether they are available as nothing to do with whether they are
better. That's part of the point. The question is whether Microsoft
can coerce users into using Microsoft's products.
(Guess he has never heard of the *free* browser Firefox, or the
fast that IE JUST got tabs)
The stalker troll is just trying to waste everyone's time.
See also:
"Anonymous" <god_of_you hotmail.com>
"Gotcha_Last" <woohoo2youREMOVE nc.rr.com>
"news.east.earthlink.net" <no emailforyou.com>
"WooHoo2You" <no email.com>
"WooHoo2You" <no emailforyou.com>
J
John Doe
If you write an OS and *also* intend to write the software that
runs on it, then the OS should be totally open architecture.
That is an excellent solution.
a.. It is like the engine in a car.
It's more basic than that. A wheel might be the best analogy to an
operating system, but it's not easily understood.
Following what you said.
"software that runs on it"
Easier to understand is that the operating system is like the roads.
J
John Doe
He is tossing around legal terms.
I have done no such thing.
"Monopoly power" is not in and of itself illegal.
My on-topic comment is just that Microsoft will continue tightening
the screws. Tightening the screws isn't necessarily illegal, it's
just unpleasant for American consumers who have to pay for windows.
In fact Microsoft has broken the law, and in my opinion our
government hasn't responded appropriately.
The abuse of that said power is. The EU asses won't even tell MS
if they will sue again even after MS has released everything
possible to try and inform them of everything in Vista, including
their antivirus status and kernel security. IOW, they are saying
to MS to release it and then we will see what we can sue you
for.............
You know there's some serious power involved when their people don't
even pay for windows and their government is still very concerned
about how Windows operates.
Ed
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John Doe
LOL! I haven't heard this argument before. Trying to justify
your credibility and knowledge based on your historical experience
debating with chimpanzees on USENET?
Like a Microsoft defender chimpanzee.
There are a few chimpanzees on USENET. There are some very well
educated and knowledgeable people here too.
Debating with people is an excellent source of enlightenment. Even
people who are wrong can give you a clue.
Since you live in the USENET world,
I love USENET.
go do a search for "open source
software" around the time of the antitrust hearings and do a
similiar search within the last couple years.
Windows market share has increased since the big antitrust trial.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5&qpcustom=Windows+
XP
Sure, Linux was around at that time but was not nearly the
competitor to MS as it is today.
Microsoft defenders were spewing the same nonsense then too.
It's not a stranglehold. It's called people making a choice to
use what best fits their needs.
Just a Microsoft defender wearing blinders whose opinion has nothing
to do with reality.
J
John Doe
That manual is available. It's called MSDN.
That's a lie. Microsoft's Developer Network isn't like the source
code to Windows.
In this day and age, with the power of VS.NET and other
development tools, there is nothing blocking 3rd party software
designers from designing just as good a software for Windows as MS
can. If MS has a tremendous advantage with inside knowledge of
Windows architecture then why are 3rd party software applications
like Firefox doing so well?
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2002549,00.asp
"While Microsoft lost some browser market share in 2006, by the
third quarter it seems to have stopped the rapid advance of Firefox.
The delayed release of IE 7 could be a bad omen for its market
share, but on the positive side, Microsoft has announced that when
IE 7 is released it will be distributed as a 'Live Update' that will
be tagged as a security release,"
Pure economic supply and demand will dictate if MS can succeed at
this practice.
But in fact Microsoft's monopoly power was officially recognized
many years ago.
There is a choice.
If you are a techie and don't mind living in a closet.
C
Conor
It's also been tested in the UK Courts and found not to be worth theCrispy Critter said:Yea, I've seen a few of those on the shelves. They must think we are really
stupid to fall for that one.
paper it's printed on.
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JAD
It's also been tested in the UK Courts and found not to be worth theCrispy Critter said:Yea, I've seen a few of those on the shelves. They must think we are really
stupid to fall for that one.
paper it's printed on.
I like the idea of ink packs in the box, like bank bags that are stolen,
open the box and you get hit with ink, in MS logo colors of course.
C
Conor
I prefer the IE team approach...send you a cake.I like the idea of ink packs in the box, like bank bags that are stolen,
open the box and you get hit with ink, in MS logo colors of course.
http://fredericiana.com/2006/10/24/from-redmond-with-love/
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Tomcat (Tom)
John said:http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2002549,00.asp
"Microsoft has announced that when
IE 7 is released it will be distributed as a 'Live Update' that will
be tagged as a security release,"
If MS pushes IE 7 out as a windows live update, I will agree that is
bordering on an abuse of power and I hope MS rethinks doing that.
However, I still disagree that MS has any advantage in writing windows
software. MS developers are using the same development tools and .NET
libraries that everybody else is using. If a MS application sells
better than a competitor's it's not because it has some magical
features that utilize an unknown API that only MS knows about. In
fact, much of MS's product lineup was originally 3rd party applications
that weren't even developed by MS in the first place.
Well maybe the developers of Linux & Co. should work on making it moreIf you are a techie and don't mind living in a closet.
user friendly and appeal to a broader audience.
T
ToolPackinMama
J. Conners said:I have no idea why folks can't understand. Those of us who do not have a
wad of cash have to find alternatives. Linux is *one* .
Linux is a great alternative for PPL who are not gamers. If most of what
you do is text-based, if the main way you use your computer is for
office aps and browsing the web, then switch to Linux now.
T
ToolPackinMama
John said:In fact Microsoft has broken the law, and in my opinion our
government hasn't responded appropriately.
I don't disagree with that.
T
ToolPackinMama
Conor said:It's also been tested in the UK Courts and found not to be worth the
paper it's printed on.
Yay! Really? Link?
J
John Doe
If MS pushes IE 7 out as a windows live update, I will agree that
is bordering on an abuse of power and I hope MS rethinks doing
that.
Welcome to the way things really are.
However, I still disagree that MS has any advantage in writing
windows software. MS developers are using the same development
tools and .NET libraries that everybody else is using.
That's just naïve as usual.
If a MS application sells better than a competitor's it's not
because it has some magical features that utilize an unknown API
that only MS knows about.
Microsoft has told OEMs that if they don't include Microsoft Office,
they won't get a license to Windows.
That's just one of many different methods Microsoft has used.
I don't hand out arguments.
Well maybe the developers of Linux & Co. should work on making it
more user friendly and appeal to a broader audience.
Linux is a server operating system.
R
Rod Speed
ToolPackinMama said:J. Conners wrote
Linux is a great alternative for PPL who are not gamers.
No it isnt.
If most of what you do is text-based, if the main way you use your computer is for office aps and
browsing the web, then switch to Linux now.
Wrong again.
R
Rod Speed
Welcome to the way things really are.
We'll see...
That's just naïve as usual.
Watch out for the black helicopters, child.
Microsoft has told OEMs that if they don't include
Microsoft Office, they won't get a license to Windows.
Pig ignorant lie.
That's just one of many different methods Microsoft has used.
Pig ignorant lie.
I don't hand out arguments.
You have your dick in your hand.
Linux is a server operating system.
Wrong, as always.
W
WooHoo2You
John Doe said:The troll is supposed to be a programmer and he doesn't understand
the concept.
Yes, I do understand the concept. BTW, I never claimed to be a programmer.
More stuff you are just pulling our of your ***.
But of course that has nothing to do with what I said. I said
non-Microsoft companies would make the applications. That means
companies not on Microsoft's payroll.
If they are supported by MS, then they would make them to certain specs,
Microsoft's specs. The same result either way. Yes, you can find nice
freeware, however it takes a lot of downloading installing, and uninstalling
to find the good stuff. Not something I would want to do after installing a
new o/s.
No one here pays $150 for Windows. In the troll's home country, they
probably don't pay anything at all for Windows. They download the
software and apply the crack.
Well, the full version of XP Home costs what?(184.99 amazon.com) BTW, where
might you be from? When your parents pay for something it seem cheaper
John.
Freeware authors are happy to program for Windows because of
Windows' massive distribution. They enjoy the publicity and hope
someday to make money writing software. There are downloadable
freeware programs that are better than the programs included with
Windows.
The same people you yourself claimed would not waste time writing code for
an o/s "no one uses?" (Linux)
Microsoft controls user input. Microsoft controls how the user
interacts with programs. Microsoft controls how programs interact
with other programs and computer hardware.
Yes, just like the doctors control how your meds handle certain social
issues you may be having. You seem to understand the concept of an
"operating system." We shell out the money so we no long have to type 50
lines of code to start up a tape drive.
Microsoft Windows controls what we do with our computers and
controls how applications work. Microsoft could easily prevent
non-Microsoft applications from running at all in Windows.
Yes, but they never would. If they did, do you really think anyone would
pay for such an "upgrade?" They just might lose their entire user base.
Whether they are available as nothing to do with whether they are
better. That's part of the point. The question is whether Microsoft
can coerce users into using Microsoft's products.
With a baseball bat? Nothing else could make me buy their product over
another company's other then features.
The stalker troll is just trying to waste everyone's time.
And you just don't know what to reply.
When you quote prior posts, I find it somewhat strange you include entire
paragraphs on some of your "points." Othertimes you pull something
COMPLETLY out of context.
J
John Doe
Yes, I do understand the concept.
So you are admitting to being a blatant troll.
BTW, I never claimed to be a programmer.
I was overestimating your understanding of the issue, confusing you
with another troll.
If they are supported by MS,
There's no reason for them to be supported by Microsoft. That silly
idea has nothing to do with anything.
then they would make them to certain specs, Microsoft's specs.
Okay, so you really are clueless about the subject. There is no
reason for little applications that would replace Calculator and
WordPad to be written to "Microsoft's specs", whatever that means.
The same result either way. Yes, you can find nice
freeware, however it takes a lot of downloading installing, and
uninstalling to find the good stuff. Not something I would want
to do after installing a new o/s.
Repeating the same nonsense doesn't make it true. When the average
user buys a computer from Dell or Hewlett-Packard, all that stuff
would be preinstalled just like it comes with Windows now. For the
rest of us, at least those of us who are technically inclined enough
to build our own computer, we have no trouble installing small
applications or a group of utilities.
But seriously. If you aren't familiar with installing a small
application suite like Nero or Creative Labs stuff, IMO you have no
business arguing anything here or even using a personal computer.
You may as well crawl back into troll only mode.
Well, the full version of XP Home costs what?(184.99 amazon.com)
BTW, where might you be from?
Earth.
When your parents pay for something it seem cheaper John.
That's pretty funny, if you are suggesting that you pay $185 for
Windows.
The same people you yourself claimed would not waste time writing
code for an o/s "no one uses?" (Linux)
I'm talking about the little applications that come with Windows.
You can find little programs in Linux too.
You are the one that brought up this subject and you are apparently
confusing the subject of little applications with big applications.
Windows dominates all big personal computing applications. There are
a wide variety of very big programs that run in Windows only. Last I
heard, even the few Apple graphics programs are being published for
Windows first.
Yes, but they never would.
In fact they withheld APIs from Netscape at one time.
If they did, do you really think anyone would
pay for such an "upgrade?"
People buy Windows because it runs all personal computer
applications. Microsoft can crush one application at a time without
causing a riot.
They just might lose their entire user base.
They might temporarily lose users of only that application.
Microsoft already has a monopoly on the big money makers. Microsoft
has the office application market tied down so well, several years
ago when Microsoft stated that it wasn't going to produce Office for
the Mac, Apple begged Microsoft to reconsider because it probably
would have gone bankrupt.
With a baseball bat?
Speaking of baseball bats. That's what an appeals court judge used
in an analogy to Microsoft's copyright claim. Microsoft said that
"We acquired the copyright to Windows legally, so we can use Windows
anyway we want". One of the justices compared that to saying "I own
this baseball bat legally, so I can do anything I feel like doing
with it".
J
John Doe
Nym shifting troll.
See also:
"123" <123 pam.com>
"Jim P Sharma" <jps nospam.com>
"joe" <joe wse.com>
"JohnH" <johnh jjss.com>
"Oscar Jones" <oj ojqw.com>
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa gmail.com>
"Sam Jones" <samjones wellp.com.ru>
"wqq" <qqr dre.com>
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John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote
We'll see...
Watch out for the black helicopters, child.
Pig ignorant lie.
Pig ignorant lie.
You have your dick in your hand.
Wrong, as always.
See also:
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"Jim P Sharma" <jps nospam.com>
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"JohnH" <johnh jjss.com>
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John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote
Tomcat (Tom) <tom_overton_1968 yahoo.com> wrote
Welcome to the way things really are.
We'll see...
That's just naïve as usual.
Watch out for the black helicopters, child.
Microsoft has told OEMs that if they don't include
Microsoft Office, they won't get a license to Windows.
Pig ignorant lie.
That's just one of many different methods Microsoft has used.
Pig ignorant lie.
I don't hand out arguments.
You have your dick in your hand.
Linux is a server operating system.
Wrong, as always.