Vista licence: punishment for frequent upgraders?

[Tomcat (Tom)]

What makes you think that? If a company can earn extra profits by doing A,
what makes you think that they would choose to do B instead?????????????
Doesn't happen much in the real world, why would mickeysoft be
ifferent? -Dave

Because they did this with XP and will continue to do it with Vista.
Microsoft is not trying to inconvenience the home builder or business
customer. They are simply trying to make it harder for casual piracy,
like the person that buys 1 copy of windows and installs it at home and
then installs it on his parent's and brother's computers too. It will
just be harder to do that now.

 

[Mike T.]

Because they did this with XP and will continue to do it with Vista.

Not according to microsoft, they won't.

 

[Mike T.]

Which in that case is once more major upgrade than XP OEM licence
allows for yet here I am on my fifth major upgrade on the same licence.

It's likely that you count major upgrades differently than microsoft does.
Microsoft (for XP anyway) used a point system, where processor was a certain
number of points, mainboard was a certain number of points, MAC address a
certain number of points, etc. Exceed the number of points, and you were
required to re-activate your XP license, which involved a phone call to
Microsoft.

For Vista, the license is totally different. If you buy an OEM copy of
Vista, you are allowed one major upgrade, and it seems Microsoft has done
away with the points system, or reduced the number of points to where one
motherboard replaced triggers your ONE (and only) license transfer to be
required to be used. -Dave

 

[JAD]

Microsoft is just stifling the entire personal computer industry.

your an idiot where do you think we would be without MS? Linux?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAA

If it were possible, Microsoft would restrict everyone from doing
anything with Windows that isn't Microsoft approved.

The only leniency could be caused by Microsoft's need to maintain a
large enough distribution of Windows to keep a stranglehold on the
personal computer software market. If there were no applications
barrier to entering the PC operating system market, and then if
Windows had competition, you would see Microsoft remove its
draconian Windows Product Activation schemes. But as long as
Microsoft holds monopoly power, Microsoft will squeeze ever harder.







newssvr12.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm05.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy
..net!prodigy.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!bor
der1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!e3g2000cwe.
googlegroups.com!not-for-mail

<25crj2hu8cjjr1qed6apads9p1j9114ia3 4ax.com> <MPG.1fa82b09dc5aa6bb989bc2
news.individual.net> <453e3227$0$97257$892e7fe2
authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>

 

[Crispy Critter]

Wrong. There is no conflict between that statement above and the Vista EULA.

You like saying "wrong" a lot with no evidence to back it up. Have a gander
at this and then STFU.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=158

Wrong again. Its silent on that question of a replacement motherboard.

Microsoft has always said a new mb counts as a new PC.

And legally they havent got a leg to stand on anyway, regardless of the EULA.

Better save up your pennies then if you plan on taking Microsoft to court
over it.

 

[Crispy Critter]

For Vista, the license is totally different. If you buy an OEM copy of
Vista,

It's not just OEM. That Vista license Microsoft posted is for all versions
of Vista.

 

[Mike T.]

your an idiot where do you think we would be without MS? Linux?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAA

What's so funny about that? About the only thing you can't do (BETTER!)
with Linux is run games. But if microsoft didn't exist, linux would run
games better than any microsoft OS. -Dave

 

[JAD]

What's so funny about that? About the only thing you can't do (BETTER!)
with Linux is run games. But if microsoft didn't exist, linux would run
games better than any microsoft OS. -Dave

yeah OK........ please save the rhetoric. 'IF' should be linux's
motto, after all, it is their mantra

 

[Conor]

Not according to microsoft, they won't.

Yet others who have actually phoned Microsoft say different.

--
Conor

I'm really a nice guy. If I had friends, they would tell you.

Earn commission on online purchases, £2.50 just for signing up:
http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/Conor/ref/index.htm

 

[Conor]

What's so funny about that? About the only thing you can't do (BETTER!)
with Linux is run games.

Or install software without lots of ****ing about.
Or do wireless networking.
Or find drivers.



--
Conor

I'm really a nice guy. If I had friends, they would tell you.

Earn commission on online purchases, £2.50 just for signing up:
http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/Conor/ref/index.htm

 

[Mike T.]

yeah OK........ please save the rhetoric. 'IF' should be linux's
motto, after all, it is their mantra

What's rhetorical about what I said? Just about everybody who has tried
linux recently will tell you that it is easier to install than windows (yes,
easier), is less bloated, faster, more stable, and can do anything that
windows can. In fact, it does everything better than windows. The lack of
game support is probably the only thing stopping linux from ruling the
universe. Before you make yourself look really stupid, keep in mind that
business servers are switching to linux at a lightning pace, and that home
PCs generally follow the trend of business PCs. That is, 10-20 years from
now, linux might be more common for HOME use than windows is now. And
that's not a bad thing. Besides which, microsoft seems to be working very
hard to make JUST THAT happen sooner, rather than later. -Dave

 

[Mike T.]

What's so funny about that? About the only thing you can't do (BETTER!)

with Linux is run games.

Or install software without lots of ****ing about.
Or do wireless networking.
Or find drivers.

I see the rumors are very persistent. Linux has come a long way. It is now
easier to install it (including applications) than windows ever will be.
Wireless networking works very well in linux. And drivers aren't a problem
now in linux, unless your hardware is extremely bleeding edge. But then,
you typically don't buy bleeding edge hardware unless you want to run
windows, as the extra power isn't needed for linux.

As I wrote before, home users tend to follow business users. Business
servers are switching to linux at an ever-increasing pace. -Dave

 

[Rod Speed]

What makes you think that? If a company can earn extra profits by doing A, what makes you think
that they would choose to do B instead?????????????

There's the tiny matter of what the law allows.

Doesn't happen much in the real world,

Corse it does when its illegal.

why would mickeysoft be different?

Even MS isnt stupid enough to flout the law so flagrantly.

 

[Rod Speed]

Tomcat (Tom) <tom_overton_1968 yahoo.com> wrote

Microsoft is just stifling the entire personal computer industry.

That is completely silly. Few ever upgrade
their PCs, let alone swap motherboards.

If it were possible, Microsoft would restrict everyone from
doing anything with Windows that isn't Microsoft approved.

More mindless silly stuff.

The only leniency could be caused by Microsoft's need to maintain a
large enough distribution of Windows to keep a stranglehold on the
personal computer software market. If there were no applications
barrier to entering the PC operating system market, and then if
Windows had competition, you would see Microsoft remove its
draconian Windows Product Activation schemes. But as long as
Microsoft holds monopoly power, Microsoft will squeeze ever harder.

There is no 'monopoly power' while ever anyone can run linux, for free.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lie.

I see the rumors are very persistent.

So are the facts.

Linux has come a long way.

Yes, but its still got quite a way to go too.

It is now easier to install it (including applications) than windows ever will be.

That is a bare faced lie.

Wireless networking works very well in linux.

Nowhere near as easy to setup as with XP SP2.

And drivers aren't a problem now in linux, unless your hardware is extremely bleeding edge.

Another bare faced lie. Nothing 'extremely bleeding edge'
about digital TV capture cards.

But then, you typically don't buy bleeding edge hardware unless you want to run windows, as the
extra power isn't needed for linux.

Completely off with the ****ing fairys now,
most obviously with digital TV capture cards.

As I wrote before, home users tend to follow business users.

Like hell they do, they are entirely different markets.

Business servers are switching to linux at an ever-increasing pace.

Another bare faced lie and completely irrelevant to what
makes sense with personal desktop systems anyway.

 

[Rod Speed]

The troll (Rod Speed) was just refuted by the very same author he
was supporting. DaveW posted at about the same time, saying that his
comments were about the full retail version of Windows, not the OEM.

Irrelevant to what I was commenting on there.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

You like saying "wrong" a lot with no evidence to back it up.

You are lying. The evidence is the EULA which is silent on that motherboard swap claim.

Have a gander at this

Its completely irrelevant to what the EULA has to say about motherboard swaps.

and then STFU.

Go and **** yourself.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=158

Microsoft has always said a new mb counts as a new PC.

That is a bare faced lie. You cant cite even a single example of MS ever saying that.

And whatever MS says, that is legal bullshit anyway.

Better save up your pennies then if you plan on taking Microsoft to court over it.

Dont need to, the small claims court costs peanuts to use.

 

[Rod Speed]

It's not just OEM. That Vista license Microsoft posted is for all
versions of Vista.

Pity it says nothing about motherboard upgrades.

 

[Tomcat (Tom)]

There is no 'monopoly power' while ever anyone can run linux, for free.

True and I get so sick of everybody using the word "monopoly power"
when describing Microsoft. Microsoft isn't an oil or railroad company
controlling limited resources. There are alternatives to Windows when
choosing an OS. Open source software is an alternative to MS's
products as well. Where is Microsoft controlling everything and
stifling the computer industry?

 

[John Doe]

Rod Speed is a common troll on USENET, frequently spewing his
silly libertarian views on wide variety of subjects.

See also:
"JohnH" <johnh jjss.com>
"Oscar Jones" <oj ojqw.com>
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa gmail.com>


Path: newssvr12.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm05.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!bolzen.all.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
From: "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Vista licence: punishment for frequent upgraders?
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:53:40 +1000
Lines: 28
Message-ID: <4q9tm6Fm28kkU1 individual.net>
References: <lemdnRJzpOPoFKDYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d comcast.com> <25crj2hu8cjjr1qed6apads9p1j9114ia3 4ax.com> <MPG.1fa82b09dc5aa6bb989bc2 news.individual.net> <453e3227$0$97257$892e7fe2 authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> <1161717838.637080.130620 e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <Xns98674B13D70AB0123456789 207.115.17.102>
X-Trace: individual.net BQoI0mzteR/F0AXtNGIHSgM9aNM8auPp2I4z9tCZsIHC/FgWY=
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
Xref: prodigy.net alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:477562

Tomcat (Tom) <tom_overton_1968 yahoo.com> wrote

Microsoft is just stifling the entire personal computer industry.

That is completely silly. Few ever upgrade
their PCs, let alone swap motherboards.

If it were possible, Microsoft would restrict everyone from
doing anything with Windows that isn't Microsoft approved.

More mindless silly stuff.

The only leniency could be caused by Microsoft's need to maintain a
large enough distribution of Windows to keep a stranglehold on the
personal computer software market. If there were no applications
barrier to entering the PC operating system market, and then if
Windows had competition, you would see Microsoft remove its
draconian Windows Product Activation schemes. But as long as
Microsoft holds monopoly power, Microsoft will squeeze ever harder.

There is no 'monopoly power' while ever anyone can run linux, for free.