Vista licence: punishment for frequent upgraders?

[Tomcat (Tom)]

You mean like Toyota and Honda? That's not good for your argument.

I'm talking about 3rd world countries like China and India.

Many countries (Russia, China, and Brazil) do not even have
intellectual property law. Countries that have IP law just look the
other way. They all use Microsoft products for free, the exact same
products we pay for.

China and Russia are starting to enforce IP laws though. Especially as
these countries themselves begin to innovate and need such laws to
protect their own products.

The point being. Microsoft isn't going anywhere. Our government
protecting Microsoft is futile. Only Americans and American
companies are hurt by allowing Microsoft to control personal
computing.

Yeah global economy growing pains. Poor countries reap the benefits
while Americans get sqeezed, especially the middle class. We are
subsidizing the growth of the rest of the world until the rest of the
world catches up and can afford to start paying for some of the burden.
But until then, they will get free software while we continue to pay
out our noses.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mike T. wrote

Believe me, there will be work-arounds.

There will have to be, particularly in countrys where that scam is illegal.

Even MS aint actually stupid enough to try to flout the law on that sort of thing.

MS will be lenient on the one-transfer restriction.

They get no choice in most countrys legally.

I'm sure you will have to call a number and jump through a few hoops
but eventually you will be able to get it reactivated. MS is just trying to
put some road bumps in the road to try to discourage casual piracy.

And doing the usual, attempting to bluff the legally pig ignorant.

MS has been doing that for many years, most obviously
with the claim that you cant move an OEM version from the
hardware it was supplied with. Thats illegal in most countrys.

 

[John Doe]

John Doe wrote:

China and Russia are starting to enforce IP laws though.

Difficult to enforce laws that don't even exist.

Especially as these countries themselves begin to innovate and
need such laws to protect their own products.

We're talking about a company Microsoft that has a stranglehold on
the desktop personal computer software market.

Yeah global economy growing pains. Poor countries reap the
benefits while Americans get sqeezed, especially the middle class.
We are subsidizing the growth of the rest of the world until the
rest of the world catches up and can afford to start paying for
some of the burden.

Reducing our standard of living isn't necessary to increase the
third world's standard of living.

 

[DaveW]

Wrong. I myself called Microsoft's Licencing department and talked to them.
They said that upgrades to the SAME computer that Vista was orignally
installed on will be handled just like it was for XP. They said that for
example you could replace the motherboard in the computer as many times as
needed without having to repurchase Vista. You would simply have to call
into Microsoft's OS Activation phone number and they would ask you a series
of questions and then they would reactivate your Vista copy.
Lots of mistaken info floating around the web.

 

[John Doe]

As if anything you hear over the phone from Microsoft holds
Microsoft in check. Bigwig lawyers can't even tell what
Microsoft means.

 

[DaveW]

In my previous REPLY, I neglected to point out that Microsoft's Licensing
department stated that repeated replacing of things like motherboards in
self built computers is ALLOWED under the same copy of Vista in the original
computer ONLY IF YOU PAID FOR AND INSTALLED A FULL_PRICE RETAIL COPY of
Vista. They will not reactivate OEM versions after ONE ALLOWED motherboard
replacement.

 

[Crispy Critter]

Wrong. I myself called Microsoft's Licencing department and talked to them.
They said that upgrades to the SAME computer that Vista was orignally
installed on will be handled just like it was for XP. They said that for
example you could replace the motherboard in the computer as many times as
needed without having to repurchase Vista. You would simply have to call
into Microsoft's OS Activation phone number and they would ask you a series
of questions and then they would reactivate your Vista copy.
Lots of mistaken info floating around the web.

That's not what the Vista EULA says. The mistaken info comes directly from
the Vista EULA.

 

[Rod Speed]

DaveW wrote

That's not what the Vista EULA says.

Wrong. There is no conflict between that statement above and the Vista EULA.

The mistaken info comes directly from the Vista EULA.

Wrong again. Its silent on that question of a replacement motherboard.

And legally they havent got a leg to stand on anyway, regardless of the EULA.

 

[Rod Speed]

In my previous REPLY, I neglected to point out that Microsoft's
Licensing department stated that repeated replacing of things like
motherboards in self built computers is ALLOWED under the same copy
of Vista in the original computer ONLY IF YOU PAID FOR AND INSTALLED
A FULL_PRICE RETAIL COPY of Vista. They will not reactivate OEM
versions after ONE ALLOWED motherboard replacement.

They cant do that last legally. As they will find out.

 

[ToolPackinMama]

If I do switch to Vista, it may be 5 years
from now after someone has figured out how to hack it to bits. ^^

LOL ::highfive!::

 

[ToolPackinMama]

you guys just don't get it....... MS will be long gone, computers will be
appliances.......OS will be free and on a chip that you plug into ANY
machine

Yeah, yeah. Gimmee my robot slave, and flying car.

 

[ToolPackinMama]

Wrong. I myself called Microsoft's Licencing department and talked to them.
They said that upgrades to the SAME computer that Vista was orignally
installed on will be handled just like it was for XP. They said that for
example you could replace the motherboard in the computer as many times as
needed without having to repurchase Vista. You would simply have to call
into Microsoft's OS Activation phone number and they would ask you a series
of questions and then they would reactivate your Vista copy.

Really?

 

[John Doe]

The troll (Rod Speed) was just refuted by the very same author he
was supporting. DaveW posted at about the same time, saying that his
comments were about the full retail version of Windows, not the OEM.

See also:
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"[Microsoft] will not reactivate OEM versions after ONE ALLOWED
motherboard replacement."



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DaveW wrote

That's not what the Vista EULA says.

Wrong. There is no conflict between that statement above and the Vista
EULA.

The mistaken info comes directly from the Vista EULA.

Wrong again. Its silent on that question of a replacement motherboard.

And legally they havent got a leg to stand on anyway, regardless of the
EULA.

 

[Mike T.]

In my previous REPLY, I neglected to point out that Microsoft's Licensing
department stated that repeated replacing of things like motherboards in
self built computers is ALLOWED under the same copy of Vista in the
original computer ONLY IF YOU PAID FOR AND INSTALLED A FULL_PRICE RETAIL
COPY of Vista. They will not reactivate OEM versions after ONE ALLOWED
motherboard replacement.

Well, seeing as only an idiot would pay full retail price for the OS, that
amounts to, buy a new copy of windows every other upgrade, and that
ucks. -Dave

 

[Mike T.]

I think everyone (or a large number of people) are overreacting.

My opinion is that it will most likey end up working similar to the way XP
does now.
You'll be able to upgrade your system a piece or two at a time with no
impact at all. Worst case (as it is now), if you change enough pieces all
at once such that Microsoft thinks it's a new system, all you'll have to
do is call and explain what you've done.

Except that Microsoft specifically states that the licensing for Vista is
DIFFERENT from XP, and they specifically state that only one transfer is
allowed under any circumstances. You are arguing from a "wishful thinking"
standpoint. -Dave

 

[Mike T.]

Wrong. I myself called Microsoft's Licencing department and talked to
them. They said that upgrades to the SAME computer that Vista was
orignally installed on will be handled just like it was for XP. They said
that for example you could replace the motherboard in the computer as many
times as needed without having to repurchase Vista. You would simply have
to call into Microsoft's OS Activation phone number and they would ask you
a series of questions and then they would reactivate your Vista copy.
Lots of mistaken info floating around the web.

That only applies to the full-price retail version, which only idiots pay
for. OEM versions are allowed one major upgrade only. Don't believe me,
call Microsoft again, cause I'm just quoting them. -Dave

 

[Mike T.]

Believe me, there will be work-arounds. MS will be lenient on the
one-transfer restriction.

What makes you think that? If a company can earn extra profits by doing A,
what makes you think that they would choose to do B instead?????????????
Doesn't happen much in the real world, why would mickeysoft be
ifferent? -Dave

 

[John Doe]

MS is just

Microsoft is just stifling the entire personal computer industry.

trying to put some road bumps in the road to
try to discourage casual piracy.

If it were possible, Microsoft would restrict everyone from doing
anything with Windows that isn't Microsoft approved.

The only leniency could be caused by Microsoft's need to maintain a
large enough distribution of Windows to keep a stranglehold on the
personal computer software market. If there were no applications
barrier to entering the PC operating system market, and then if
Windows had competition, you would see Microsoft remove its
draconian Windows Product Activation schemes. But as long as
Microsoft holds monopoly power, Microsoft will squeeze ever harder.

 

[Conor]

Except that Microsoft specifically states that the licensing for Vista is
DIFFERENT from XP, and they specifically state that only one transfer is
allowed under any circumstances. You are arguing from a "wishful thinking"
standpoint. -Dave

Has Vista been released? No. Have they finalised the OS? No.


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[Conor]

That only applies to the full-price retail version, which only idiots pay
for. OEM versions are allowed one major upgrade only. Don't believe me,
call Microsoft again, cause I'm just quoting them. -Dave

Which in that case is once more major upgrade than XP OEM licence
allows for yet here I am on my fifth major upgrade on the same licence.



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