Vista licence: punishment for frequent upgraders?

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Matt said:
Naw, it was partly a SWAG, but I doubt it's off by 25%. Notice how I
asked for cooperation in improving the estimate? Really it's most
interesting how much the big OEMs will be paying for Vista.

Hey, why are you ignoring my posts about Indiana high schools converting
to Linux (330,000+ copies eventually)? I thought you'd be pleased.
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Pleased? Not pleased? not sure what your implying.....I lived in Chicago as
a Kid, I know some of what the hoosiers are about. Thing is, for every
school, buisness, federal entity, state, country, that has just started to
convert, the are many that have converted and then went right back, this
isn't going to fly. It cost xinux saturation, costs alot of cash for
companies and the more that happens, the less likely it will be for the next
entity to make the choice. We can hack this and that to make linux use DOC's
or see excel spreadsheets properly, but a 'company' is not going to take
that chance on that.
I really like your saying "Attitude first, OS second". Very snappy, but
it isn't clear what it means or what it implies.
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Well, after awhile of participating, in the 'linux revolution', a coup that
has been going on for.......ever, I have learned a few things. One of which
is that attititude about anything other than xinux is more important than
getting the job done. For instance linux folks will stay up nights
researching things that are anti MS, instead of developing an OS that
recogonizes.... hmmm lets say-wireless networking. Things change so rapidly
and little chance for 'catch up' if you have no standardation of ...lets
say... drivers for sound cards, how much freakin time are you willing to
spend writing drivers for 40 sound cards for OPEN SOURCE for FREE. I could
go on, but I wrote the same paragraphs 10 years ago, still waiting for the
coup.
 
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From: "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Vista licence: punishment for frequent upgraders?
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:29:25 +1100
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John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote
Tomcat (Tom) <tom_overton_1968 yahoo.com> wrote
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Not everyone, just the mindless anti MS bigots.

You in spades. You cant even manage to get a clue about
what a monopoly actually is, or anything else at all, either.
Some call it "arguing".
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Only the silly little pig ignorant wankers like you and your ilk.
I'm not going to wade through all of the unsubstantiated assertions,
even if some of them are new. This group isn't really for learning
about Microsoft's business practices and I've explained enough.
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Pathetic, really.
As you have read, I and others have expressed that already.
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Pity not one of them is actually viable.
Preventing the operating system maker from making applications
would help level the applications programming playing field.
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Never gunna be feasible to produce a dividing
line between apps and OS enhancements.

And why should the operation that has produced a very useful
suite of office apps be forced to divest themselves of those ?
In less frantic terms "open Windows source code".
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**** off.
The other part of your as usual carelessness
about "Microsoft's other software" is a straw man.
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Bare faced lie, you ran the party line about that
just above, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
There is nothing about opening the source code to Windows
which would dump Microsoft's software into the free market.
We're only talking about Windows, and copyright protection
does not require secrecy. Opening the Windows source
code is probably the best solution.
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Wouldnt have any effect what so ever on MS's dominance of the OS market.
But our leaders probably think that we can rule the world through Microsoft.
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Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
That's far-fetched.
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Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
Like most freedom loving Americans, non-Americans probably don't
want to allow an incredible amount of power to be concentrated in
one company that our government can easily commandeer.
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Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
So the battle goes on. Microsoft will continue
to be beaten down in other countries
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Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
while it tightens the screws here at
home just to maintain its corrupt empire.
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Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
 
JAD said:
Thing is, for every
school, buisness, federal entity, state, country, that has just started to
convert, the are many that have converted and then went right back,
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Right, well, if it is doable, did you expect it to be easy? When
something goes from being undoable to being doable, there is a time when
it is barely doable---which is to say _difficult_, and there are both
failures and successes. And notice from my post elsewhere that Munich
is still going forward with linux deployment.

I guess the Indiana schools approach isn't exactly unique (cf. places
like South Korea and Brazil), but it seems to be the first project of
its kind in the US.
this
isn't going to fly.
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I don't see why it won't succeed, in the absence of a deliberate
preemption (namely MS giving them the software and subsidizing the
hardware). Take a look at that slide show---it looks like they have
planned it pretty well. It's easy when they simply blow off the
supposed desirability of students being trained in MS Office. They want
a computer _for every student_. If MS gives a copy of Vista and a copy
of Office for every HS student in Indiana, they will have to do it in
every state. That is a lot of software to give away. Besides that, it
looks like Vista won't run on the cheap hardware they want to use.

It looks like they have found the most affordable way for each student
to be in front of a computer for nearly the whole school day---at
something like half the cost of a Vista solution.
It cost xinux saturation,
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? not following you on that ...
costs alot of cash for
companies and the more that happens, the less likely it will be for the next
entity to make the choice. We can hack this and that to make linux use DOC's
or see excel spreadsheets properly, but a 'company' is not going to take
that chance on that.
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Schools and governments first, large private enterprises later.

I don't know whether you know that the EU is forcing MS to make Word
conform to Open Document Format.


Here is an 82 pp slide show on Indiana's Linux-based 1:1 Initiative:
http://www.doe.state.in.us/inaccess/pdf/inACCESS_readiness-assessment.pdf


Here is a summary of inACCESS (Indiana Affordable Classroom Computers
for Every Secondary Student):
http://www.doe.state.in.us/inaccess/pdf/inACCESS_readiness-assessment.pdf
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This gutless ****wit is so stupid that it cant even manage to
work out something as basic as what a monopoly involves.
 
Crispy Critter said:
Well, lookee here. Thanks to people like me bitching about the Vista EULA
Microsoft have decided to change the clause that says we can only move
Vista to one new PC.**** you, you are just another useless tool that did
nothing but sit back and call others fools when it was we who made a
differene. **** you nutjob.

http://news.zdnet.com/Microsoft+bac...t=netscape-zdnet&tag=mynetscape&subj=technews
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Doesn't mean anything unless the new policy applies to OEM copies (not
preinstalled) of Vista, as only idiots pay full retail price for a Microsoft
OS. -Dave
 
http://news.zdnet.com/Microsoft+bac...t=netscape-zdnet&tag=mynetscape&subj=technews
That is fantastic! :)
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Wait! Don't get your hopes up yet. The article doesn't differentiate
between the ultra-expensive boxed retail product and the OEM versions that
you can buy with hardware components. You know, the version of the OS that
homebuilders buy? That is a very significant distinction. If it isn't
clarified, there is nothing to celebrate, yet. Only an idiot would pay full
retail price for a Microsoft OS. -Dave
 
Do you know the abuse since windows 95 that MS has endured? Any other
company that had that much piracy of thier product done to them, would be
out of buisness.
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Out of business with hundreds of billions of cash reserves?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Oh man, you'se KeEEEEling me. :) -Dave
 
http://www.windowsitpro.com/windows...rticleID/94117/windowspaulthurrott_94117.html

In response to complaints from *users* that the new Windows Vista End User
License Agreement was too restrictive, Microsoft announced on Thursday
that
it would change the license.
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And yet, have they really changed it?

Wait! Don't get your hopes up yet. The article doesn't differentiate
between the ultra-expensive boxed retail product and the OEM versions that
you can buy with hardware components. You know, the version of the OS that
homebuilders buy? That is a very significant distinction. If it isn't
clarified, there is nothing to celebrate, yet. Only an idiot would pay full
retail price for a Microsoft OS. -Dave
 
date system cost Windows cost (Windows cost)/(system cost)
================================================================
1996 $2500 $50 (W95) 1/50
2001 1000 50 (XP) 1/20
2007 600 100 (Vista) 1/ 6

If you want MS Office or even just MS Word, the numbers get a lot worse.

That indicates an increasing motivation to use free software, especially
for big installations.
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Where can you get Vista for only $100? That's a heckuva bargain,
considering some versions cost well over three hundred bucks, or so the
experts claim in their reviews . . . -Dave
 
John Doe said:
What do you do besides play games? What applications?
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What difference does that make? If there is an application not available
for linux, I can't imagine what it would be, outside of the obvious
MS-proprietary ones. But there are good linux versions of those,
ven. -Dave
 
Mike said:
Where can you get Vista for only $100? That's a heckuva bargain,
considering some versions cost well over three hundred bucks, or so the
experts claim in their reviews . . . -Dave
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Question is---how much is OEM Vista going to cost Dell or HP when they
put it on a new system? My guess was $100---maybe about twice what they
used to pay for XP. Somebody please improve on my guess by posting a link.
 
Mike said:
What difference does that make? If there is an application not available
for linux, I can't imagine what it would be, outside of the obvious
MS-proprietary ones. But there are good linux versions of those,
ven. -Dave
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wow, that won't help
 
Well, virtually every Linux distro comes with thousands of applications
of every description. With Windows, you have to buy most of them
separately.
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No you don't. There are usually Windows ports of the FOSS stuff
included in Linux distros.
Windows is good for games. It's a gamer's OS.
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Spot on.

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Matt said:
Question is---how much is OEM Vista going to cost Dell or HP when they
put it on a new system? My guess was $100---maybe about twice what they
used to pay for XP. Somebody please improve on my guess by posting a
link.
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Yes, but I was thinking in terms of homebuilding. Last I checked, the OEM
version of XP was most of a hundred bucks. I'm betting the OEM version of
Vista will be at least $150, not purchased in some kind of bulk agreement.
Oh, and there is still no word on if the OEM version will be able to be
transferred more than once. (though apparently SOME versions of Vista have
had their EULA changed recently) -Dave
 
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