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GEO Me
A new expression?
Gone postal: shot the people he considered guilty.
Gone laser: .... ?
Geo
A new expression?
Gone postal: shot the people he considered guilty.
Gone laser: .... ?
Geo
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notbob
Gone to an toner cartridge that will provide 3000 pages (if the drum lasts)
for the same price as Epson's 300 page (if it don't clog) inkjet cartridge.
I've discovered one truism for all home printers ...use it or lose it!
nb
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Anti-imperialist
notbob said:
Me too. My sentiments exactly. I just bought a $244 HP Laser printer.
I have had it up to here with this inkjet crap.
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Anti-imperialist
notbob said:
LOL, I thought "nb" above was "nota bene". I used to be a paralegal.
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Arthur Entlich
Anyone who buys an inkjet for black text printing only is going to pay
much more per print than a black laser printer can provide.
However, this is in part due to the considerable lowering in price of
laser printers.
I suspect full color images still fall to inkjet in terms of cost of the
printer, cost of the consumables, and quality or result. That, will
probably change also over time, as well.
Art
much more per print than a black laser printer can provide.
However, this is in part due to the considerable lowering in price of
laser printers.
I suspect full color images still fall to inkjet in terms of cost of the
printer, cost of the consumables, and quality or result. That, will
probably change also over time, as well.
Art
H
horace
Bill said:
I was in a local computer store looking a color laser printers the other
day. A lady approached me and suggested that I consider buying an Epson
ink jet printer instead of a color laser printer. I told her that the
last ink jet printer that I bought was an Epson 750 Stylus Photo
printer, and that I have used more ink cleaning the damn thing than I
have used printing. She told me that the "new" Epson printers don't clog
up as much as the older printers did. All I can say is that I read this
group ot get a feel of what is happening in the printer market, and it
looks as if the Epson printers still clog easily.
There is nothing "special" a person should have to do to keep his or her
printer from clogging. Whether a person prints everyday or once a month
the printer should work without running two or three cleaning cycles. I
will NEVER buy another Epson printer until Epson learns to make a
printer that does not need to be cleaned every time one wants to print.
Having said that, I can say that my Epson 750 has never clogged to the
point where I had to more than just run a few cleaning cycles. I am very
happy with the prints I get from it, too. It is just a shame that a
company that makes printers cannot get it together and make a printer
that does not clog.
just my 2cents
B
Bill
horace said:
I agree completely.
And that's partly why I switched back to HP printers. I had an old HP
520 printer that sat unused in a closet for a year. It printed perfectly
first try without any issues at all.
My relatively new HP 6540 has sat for 11 days when I was away, and
printed perfectly upon my return without any cleaning. Granted that's
only a week and a half, but at least it gives me an idea of how well it
seals in the parking station.
The Canon i850 I had prior to this HP also was pretty good at not
clogging. However, I found out after it died, that it sucks out a LOT of
the ink during its regular cleaning cycles. The waste ink pad in the
bottom of the printer had a very large portion of wasted ink, more than
I expected. That was a shock.
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Edward W. Thompson
snip
The inkjet printer industry must be in a sorry state if accolades are
given when a machine does not clog after being left idle for 11 days!
The blue jet of my HP930C color cartridge clogged, after being idle
for a month. This was a genuine HP #78 cartridge, never refilled. If
I had a printer with individual color cartridges I would need to
replace one at a third of the cost of having to replace the tricolor
cartridge. I suppose the good news is I don't have to bear the cost of
a print head.
The whole inkjet printer industry seems to me to be engaged in a
consumer rip off, the difference between the Manufacturers products is
one of detail not of essence. The overrall cost of printing color
using inkjet printers (machine cost + ink cost + paper) is undoubtedly
very high.
snip
The inkjet printer industry must be in a sorry state if accolades are
given when a machine does not clog after being left idle for 11 days!
The blue jet of my HP930C color cartridge clogged, after being idle
for a month. This was a genuine HP #78 cartridge, never refilled. If
I had a printer with individual color cartridges I would need to
replace one at a third of the cost of having to replace the tricolor
cartridge. I suppose the good news is I don't have to bear the cost of
a print head.
The whole inkjet printer industry seems to me to be engaged in a
consumer rip off, the difference between the Manufacturers products is
one of detail not of essence. The overrall cost of printing color
using inkjet printers (machine cost + ink cost + paper) is undoubtedly
very high.
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George E. Cawthon
Edward said:
That was just one person reporting. My HP 970 got intensive
several years ago but now has light use most of the time and
intensive use only near Christmas. It has only had 2 (maybe
3) color cartridges since I bought it (within 3 months of
when the 970 came out). I printed something with color
after a long in active spell and only once did it have
streaks, so I went through a cleaning cycle and had to
repeat the cleaning cycle. I have no idea how long the
intervals are between color use but possibly as long as 6
months. Never have had any streaking of black, but then I
use black usually at least once every two weeks.
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Rus
I've got one of those SP 750's. Can't seem to wear it out. 3rd party ink
cartridges at $3 U.S. each. Slow printing in higher resolutions, but, cost
per page ridiculously cheap.
In addition to that SP 750, I've got a SP900, a SP1280, and a C86. Once I
learned the trick to keeping the nozzles clear, I was no longer afraid of
the dreaded Epson cleaning cycles. Prior to discovering "the trick," I
imagined myself bogged down with repetetive nozzle cleaning cycles x 4
machines which would eat up $$$ just running the cycles. Once I learned how
to keep the SP 750 running clear with only a couple of single cleaning
cycles per month, I was ready to buy a few more Epson printers.
My little trick: I cut fabric strips that are about the width of the print
head and about 2.5 feet long. I saturate a strip with a Windex type cleaner
and slide that strip under the head. I do that several times until it looks
like the head is cleaned and I'm only wicking ink out of the nozzles. I
also clean the purging/parking station and the wiper.
I don't know why this works. Is it simply because I'm wicking ink out of
the head? Is it because I'm cleaning dried ink from the head surface?
Dried ink that is blocking some ports? Don't know which. Only know it
works.
You do this while the printer is off. Each printer has a lever that must be
flipped out of the way in order to allow the print head to be moved
manually.
I do this manual cleaning routine about once a month. I seldom have to run
cleaning cycles any more ... only once in a great while. When I do run a
cleaning cycle, it usually takes only one "cycle" to do the deed whereas it
used to take 3 to 6 cycles.
I guess, as you say, it's a shame to have to do this kind of manual
maintenance ... on the other hand ... it's nice to fully load a printer with
ink for about $20 or less (compared to $100 or so for some of the Lexmark
and HP printers using 6 colors.)
The Epson printer isn't for everyone. It does seem to require a little
extra care, but, I like 'em. I don't mind giving 10 minutes of my time to a
permanent head that seems to last and last until the software driver wears
out (but, the SP 750 is running fine in WinXP and WinLonghorn using the
Win2K driver so that driver should be good for another 5 years, at least.)
//rus//
cartridges at $3 U.S. each. Slow printing in higher resolutions, but, cost
per page ridiculously cheap.
In addition to that SP 750, I've got a SP900, a SP1280, and a C86. Once I
learned the trick to keeping the nozzles clear, I was no longer afraid of
the dreaded Epson cleaning cycles. Prior to discovering "the trick," I
imagined myself bogged down with repetetive nozzle cleaning cycles x 4
machines which would eat up $$$ just running the cycles. Once I learned how
to keep the SP 750 running clear with only a couple of single cleaning
cycles per month, I was ready to buy a few more Epson printers.
My little trick: I cut fabric strips that are about the width of the print
head and about 2.5 feet long. I saturate a strip with a Windex type cleaner
and slide that strip under the head. I do that several times until it looks
like the head is cleaned and I'm only wicking ink out of the nozzles. I
also clean the purging/parking station and the wiper.
I don't know why this works. Is it simply because I'm wicking ink out of
the head? Is it because I'm cleaning dried ink from the head surface?
Dried ink that is blocking some ports? Don't know which. Only know it
works.
You do this while the printer is off. Each printer has a lever that must be
flipped out of the way in order to allow the print head to be moved
manually.
I do this manual cleaning routine about once a month. I seldom have to run
cleaning cycles any more ... only once in a great while. When I do run a
cleaning cycle, it usually takes only one "cycle" to do the deed whereas it
used to take 3 to 6 cycles.
I guess, as you say, it's a shame to have to do this kind of manual
maintenance ... on the other hand ... it's nice to fully load a printer with
ink for about $20 or less (compared to $100 or so for some of the Lexmark
and HP printers using 6 colors.)
The Epson printer isn't for everyone. It does seem to require a little
extra care, but, I like 'em. I don't mind giving 10 minutes of my time to a
permanent head that seems to last and last until the software driver wears
out (but, the SP 750 is running fine in WinXP and WinLonghorn using the
Win2K driver so that driver should be good for another 5 years, at least.)
//rus//
M
measekite
Get a Canon PIXMA IP4000 unless you need special features in an Epson
that the Canon does not have. Every time you turn an Epson on and off
it uses and wastes ink. That was from an Epson factory rep.
that the Canon does not have. Every time you turn an Epson on and off
it uses and wastes ink. That was from an Epson factory rep.
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Arthur Entlich
The very nature of inkjet technology is such that it uses a liquid ink
expressed out of a large number of very tiny holes.
That design is not without problems.
However, the beauty of the design is that is is materially minimalist,
and relatively easy to produce. If you want a completely foolproof
inkjet printer, it could be made. It would just cost way more than you
would be willing to pay.
Ever pick up a color laser printer and then an inkjet model? Notice the
difference in weight? Well, there's a reason for that.
How about a 13" wide, 20", 24" 48" or 90" wide color laser printer? How
about a color laser printer with a 44" long printing ability on one roll
sheet of paper?
Think about the cost of the processor and memory required for a larger
color laser printer.
What inkjet printer companies have done in terms of cost and quality is
amazing. The results are superior to almost every laser printer on the
market. So, yes, they require some maintenance and regular use to keep
them healthy. And I would love to see some design change to improve
several aspects of the printers, but no one can begrudge the
unbelievable quality inkjet printers can produce considering the cost of
the basic machines.
And that is why, in spite of the problems, million are sold each year,
from 8" to 100" wide and from under $100 to over $10,000 each.
Art
expressed out of a large number of very tiny holes.
That design is not without problems.
However, the beauty of the design is that is is materially minimalist,
and relatively easy to produce. If you want a completely foolproof
inkjet printer, it could be made. It would just cost way more than you
would be willing to pay.
Ever pick up a color laser printer and then an inkjet model? Notice the
difference in weight? Well, there's a reason for that.
How about a 13" wide, 20", 24" 48" or 90" wide color laser printer? How
about a color laser printer with a 44" long printing ability on one roll
sheet of paper?
Think about the cost of the processor and memory required for a larger
color laser printer.
What inkjet printer companies have done in terms of cost and quality is
amazing. The results are superior to almost every laser printer on the
market. So, yes, they require some maintenance and regular use to keep
them healthy. And I would love to see some design change to improve
several aspects of the printers, but no one can begrudge the
unbelievable quality inkjet printers can produce considering the cost of
the basic machines.
And that is why, in spite of the problems, million are sold each year,
from 8" to 100" wide and from under $100 to over $10,000 each.
Art
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Arthur Entlich
The reason why this works is indeed because it helps to remove old dried
ink that accumulates under the heads over time. My only concern would
be left over pieces of threads and link from the fabric. You need to
choose your fabric with some care.
The process does indeed work well, and is quite similar to that which I
suggest in the manual I've developed.
The manual covers lots of other issues that can come up with Epson
printers, and CISs, but you've got the basics down.
Art
ink that accumulates under the heads over time. My only concern would
be left over pieces of threads and link from the fabric. You need to
choose your fabric with some care.
The process does indeed work well, and is quite similar to that which I
suggest in the manual I've developed.
The manual covers lots of other issues that can come up with Epson
printers, and CISs, but you've got the basics down.
Art
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Andrew
We use a high speed inkjet printer at work. It runs at zbout
1000 feet per minute on continuous paper that is up to 4
feet wide. This equates to over 6000 8.5 x 11" sheets per
minute. It costs more than a million dollars and it breaks
down too.
1000 feet per minute on continuous paper that is up to 4
feet wide. This equates to over 6000 8.5 x 11" sheets per
minute. It costs more than a million dollars and it breaks
down too.
J
johnmclaren_99
I work for an HP repair center, and they tell us that if anyone uses a
3rd party toner in their laser printer, it violates the warranty. Thus,
you must buy one of their expensive a$$ toners...
3rd party toner in their laser printer, it violates the warranty. Thus,
you must buy one of their expensive a$$ toners...
H
Harvey
Yet another reason to avoid buying an HP printer then.
K
Kevin
I would take another look at that warranty. If I recall correctly, this is
exactly why there is class action lawsuit against some of the major printer
manufacturers. They can't void the warranty for this reason. I have, in
the distant past, used third party cartridges in one of my Epson printers
and when I had a problem with the printer I called Epson and told them flat
out that I was using non-OEM cartridges. I was told at that time that
although they would prefer I use factory Epson cartridges, there was no
problem with my warranty, as long as the cartridges could be shown to not be
the source of the problem. They were not the source of my problem with the
printer and Epson sent me a new printer in exchange, all shipping paid by
Epson.
exactly why there is class action lawsuit against some of the major printer
manufacturers. They can't void the warranty for this reason. I have, in
the distant past, used third party cartridges in one of my Epson printers
and when I had a problem with the printer I called Epson and told them flat
out that I was using non-OEM cartridges. I was told at that time that
although they would prefer I use factory Epson cartridges, there was no
problem with my warranty, as long as the cartridges could be shown to not be
the source of the problem. They were not the source of my problem with the
printer and Epson sent me a new printer in exchange, all shipping paid by
Epson.
P
pete
bollocks
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Arthur Entlich
In most countries, it is on their (such as HP's) onus to prove use of a
3rd party product damaged the printer. Since HP laser printers tend to
use a cartridge which contains most of the printing parts relating to
the toner, other than the fuser, I think they would be hard pressed to
show the toner used is responsible for damage to the printer, other than
maybe toner spillage, especially since more of those cartridges are just
refilled HP cartridges anyway.
Quality of the printer output, may be quite another issue, hwoever.
Art
3rd party product damaged the printer. Since HP laser printers tend to
use a cartridge which contains most of the printing parts relating to
the toner, other than the fuser, I think they would be hard pressed to
show the toner used is responsible for damage to the printer, other than
maybe toner spillage, especially since more of those cartridges are just
refilled HP cartridges anyway.
Quality of the printer output, may be quite another issue, hwoever.
Art
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Bob Headrick
Entirely untrue. HP says: "The use of non-HP print cartridges does not affect
either the warranty or any maintenance contract purchased from Hewlett-Packard.
However, if an HP LaserJet printer failure or printer damage is found to be
directly attributed to the use of any non-HP product, the repair will not be
covered under the warranty or HP maintenance contract. In such cases, standard
time and materials charges will be applied to repair the printer." See:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl03766
Regards,
Bob Headrick