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Brett
Yep - it's still pretty bad here in the way of dial-up. Same with cellMitchell Vincent said:
phones but that's another newsgroup.
Brett
phones but that's another newsgroup.
Brett
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Cor Ligthert
Mitchell,
I hope that I did not make you angry, you are right, we cannot compare
countries as Andora, Liechtenstein and the Netherlands with the USA.
Cor
I hope that I did not make you angry, you are right, we cannot compare
countries as Andora, Liechtenstein and the Netherlands with the USA.
Cor
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Michael A. Covington
Chris Dunaway said:
Touche'. They should ADVERTISE A PRICE.
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Michael A. Covington
How will they continue to sell Thinstall when the next version of Windows
comes out and everybody already has .NET ?
Simply as an obfuscator/encrypter? For $4K?
comes out and everybody already has .NET ?
Simply as an obfuscator/encrypter? For $4K?
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Michael A. Covington
Your idea sure isn't a bad one! I could see something just to bundle the
Can this be done by stringing together some Microsoft utilities in a
sufficiently sophisticated way?
Can this be done by stringing together some Microsoft utilities in a
sufficiently sophisticated way?
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Michael A. Covington
Mitchell Vincent said:
Crucially, we are a SPARSELY POPULATED country. An awful lot of us live
more than 50 miles from a large city and more than 5 miles from even the
center of a small town. That's very different from Cor's country (which I
presume is the Netherlands).
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Brett
If that is their cash cow and they aren't creative, then they go out ofMichael A. Covington said:
business. Every one that purchased their $4k Thinstall is left without
support and upgrades and evetually abandons it for .NET deployment.
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Mitchell Vincent
Michael said:
I don't know but I've never seen anything about it.. If you find
anything please let us all know!
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Mitchell Vincent
Cor said:
Haha! I try not to get angry, Cor, so no worries there my friend!
I *wish* we had broadband in every area around here!
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Mitchell Vincent
Michael said:
My town (po-dunk as it may be) just got *affordable* cable modem access
and DSL about 18 months ago. Hard to believe!
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Jon Skeet [C# MVP]
Brett said:
That's certainly an option. Of course, it means running all your tests
on both versions unless you're *really* trusting of Thinstall not to
change behaviour at all (which I certainly wouldn't be).
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Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
Brett said:
Use Delphi, VC++, or another programming language that doesn't rely on
separate libraries.
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David Pendrey
I just found another program which looks like it will do the trick and it
costs a lot less. Check out http://www.molebox.com
It doesn't explicitly say it can handle dot net applications but it looks
like it is cpaable of placing the necesary DLL files within the EXE file so
it should be good. I'll be doing some more research into this and I'll let
you all know. A program which costs $99 is a lot more affordable than one
that costs $4000
costs a lot less. Check out http://www.molebox.com
It doesn't explicitly say it can handle dot net applications but it looks
like it is cpaable of placing the necesary DLL files within the EXE file so
it should be good. I'll be doing some more research into this and I'll let
you all know. A program which costs $99 is a lot more affordable than one
that costs $4000
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Brett
Good research David. Molebox doesn't support .NET yet and has no scheduleDavid Pendrey said:I just found another program which looks like it will do the trick and it
costs a lot less. Check out http://www.molebox.com
It doesn't explicitly say it can handle dot net applications but it looks
like it is cpaable of placing the necesary DLL files within the EXE file
so it should be good. I'll be doing some more research into this and I'll
let you all know. A program which costs $99 is a lot more affordable than
one that costs $4000
to. They say support should be available by the time Longhorn is released,
which will come with .NET. Seems as though they get to the ball game a
little to late.
http://www.molestudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=243&highlight=net
Brett
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Jim Hubbard
Jon Skeet said:
Thinstall doesn't change behavior. Once the EXE is created, it does not
change unless you tell it to update itself or the files it contains.
Cool thing about this is that when Microsoft issues a Service Pack that
scerws up something, your Thinstall app is not affected.
If you create a Thinstall app that works, it will always work unless
Microsoft goes and changes the way windows works at a core level......which
is unlikely.
Jim Hubbard
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David Pendrey
Damn, just in time to not be usefull 
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Jim Hubbard
Michael A. Covington said:
As for #1 - As we saw with SP6 for VB6, Microsoft is perfectly capable of
and willing to (not intentionally) send out service packs that break old
functionality. With Thinstall .Net applications, there is no danger of that
happening.
As for #2 - Even under .Net, users need admin rights to install a .Net
application if that application utilizes the registry. Not so with
Thinstall applications.
Jim Hubbard
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Jim Hubbard
J L said:
The price is a little steep for freeware or small software shops, but there
is a reason for the price.
Although Thinstall is very useful, the vast number of options it affords the
developer usually means a great deal of hand-holding and one-on-one
development assistance while the developer "learns the ropes". This support
is not cheap for Jonathan and the only other option is to leave developers
hanging with only written instructions or charge for hourly support (which
most customers won't go for).
Jonathan (like myself) would rather do it right and make every customer a
success story than to have legions of customers that may or may not be
satisfied.
I have to go with Jonathan on this one. Running my own business, I have
learned the hard way that going cheap only causes lots of lost sleep, upset
customers and a so-so reputation. I abandoned this WalMart approach as soon
as my customers weren't being taken care of like I would like to be taken
care of (like I am the most important customer the company has - even if I'm
not).
Jonathan's company (JIT) takes care of you like you are the most important
customer they have. They go far beyond just answering a question or
two....they learn your product and goals and offer suggestions to maximize
your profits. If needed, they will also create small demo applications
specifically for what you need to do - because seeing it done is always
better than hearing how it should be done.
Jonathan takes calls himself and stays in touch with his customer base. He
is a real "hands on" company president. Not because he has to be, but
because he wants to keep an eye on the quality of their product and customer
service.
I speak from experience on all of these points. He has helped me personally
with my projects. He has developed demos personally to help me understand
the possibilities that Thinstall affords developers and how those Thinstall
capabilities can help me acheive my goals.
Admitedly, I am a fan of Thinstall and the support I have recieved from
Jonathan Clark and the JIT team. I am so because of the product, service
and personal treatment by the JIT team.
If this unabashed endorsement of a product makes you queasy, I apologize.
But, if you try Thinstall, you'll understand why I am such a fan of it and
the JIT team.
Jim Hubbard
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Michael A. Covington
Updates to .NET have distinct version numbers (already 1.0 vs. 1.1) and
software is tied to a specific one; you can have both installed on the same
machine. Ending "DLL Hell" was a specific goal of .NET.
Surely only if you write in a part of the Registry that requires
administrator privileges to access.
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Michael A. Covington
But if you price it out of most programmers' reach, it never becomes well
known to the programming community. It may make sales, but it won't make
history.
If it were $99, I'd use it for the demo version of one of my apps, so that
users could download and try it without any awareness of .NET.