(OT) (PL) Regarding Pricelessware Site, Genna, Susan, Garrett et. All

[Garrett]

I like my name also to be removed.
Thank you
Omar

Noted and I will verify with you before it's done.

Thanks,
-Garrett

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:21:13 -0400, Susan Bugher

We did vote on *moving* the Pricelessware List.

We didn't. We voted you move your files. The site couldn't move
without the owner's permission. Which you didn't get.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Above is the original message calling for a vote.

Fourth paragraph:

"I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location."

Ending paragraph:

"Questions, comments and *votes* (move/stay) please."

You are totally ignoring the content of the thread. A vote to move the
domain couldn't be done without the site owners permission. Which
Susan didn't get. The discussion then devolved into what to do with
Susan's work if she couldn't cooperate with Genna.

I, and others, voted she move her files elsewhere. Susan is pretending
we voted otherwise. Which isn't correct.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Susan Bugher <[email protected]> says in

When the vote were conducted, it was never really clear that
what the "move" is in a more concrete term. Moving the files
do not mean to move the site per se.

< snip >

Exactly right. There was no point voting to move the site if the site
owner objected to this. Susan didn't even bother to find out if it was
okay with Genna. That being the case many of us voted that
Susan take her files off the site. Not move it.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:53:34 -0400, Susan Bugher

My position as
webmaster and point person for alt.comp.freeware was ratified recently
by alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants when they supported my
request to move the Pricelessware List web site.

Nope, a number supported your moving your files elsewhere. Not moving
the web site.

There is no need for the latter.

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=]

Noted and I will verify with you before it's done.

Thanks,
-Garrett

All it takes is an e-mail.
Omar

 

[dszady]

[...] We voted to have another site to *host* Pricelessware.

When the vote were conducted, it was never really clear that
what the "move" is in a more concrete term. Moving the files
do not mean to move the site per se.

It was quite clear. Do your god damn homework.

It sounds like to me you were thinking that there was only ONE
official site of Pricelessware and now you insist that the
*NEW* site needed to be thought of or called "official". But
this was all along a misconception, not just by you, I was
thinking that way, too. But I realized that it is unsounded.

The reason is that even before you come Genna was just
offering her space for the posters here. Pricelessware.org
.net or .whatever, was only "thought of" as an official site
and we conventionally agree upon it because there was no
alternative (no one offer more space or another place to post
the pricelessware result).

But now, this obviously has changed.

Nothing has changed.

You also made an offer
to setting up one and so as Genna and other people. I don't
see why one want to call one "official" but the other "not
official". I know you don't mean to sound this way but it does
sound like a dictator's talk here.

Then don't John Fitzsimons Jr.

I think everyone who wants to contribute, including you, SOS,
Genna, Garrett, or anyone volunteer to help either site,
should be equally official - as long as they are working to
promote freeware.

Are you forgetting the group, so to speak, the people who just travel
through from Langa's list and what not.
Can you read?
SoS and apparently Garrert are snakes and that is not character
assassination.
It's not libel if it is a fact. Right John Fitzsimons?
Seems to me that the "old" regulars are afraid of change or should I say
"out of the wood", now *new* big mouths are arbiters of nothing of which
they do not know of. (Except the ones that go behind backs: SoS, Garrett
et.al)

 

[Jack D. Russell, Sr.]

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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
* Newsgroup: alt.comp.freeware
* Reply to: All; "Susan Bugher" <[email protected]>
* Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:21:13 -0400
* Subj: Re: (OT) (PL) Regarding Pricelessware Site, Genna, Susan,
Garrett et. All
======================================================================

SB> R. L. wrote:

FL>> Susan Bugher <[email protected]> says in
FL>> FL>>
FL>> We never really voted on having an *official* site. The one
FL>> we had can be "thought of" sort of as an "official" (a nice
FL>> idea).

SB> Hi RL,

SB> We did vote on *moving* the Pricelessware List.

SB> <q>
SB> I would like to move the Pricelessware List to a new location.

SB> The Pricelessware List has been hosted on other sites in the past
SB> (IIRC the last move was about two years ago).
SB> </q>

FL>> In addition, when we vote for moving, we thought there
FL>> would only be one person offering the space, but now there are
FL>> more than one. Since more than one persons are willing to
FL>> contribute, no one should be excluded and there shouldn't be
FL>> one site more "official-er" than the other.

SB> The vote ended June 28. 37 votes in favor of a move, 14 opposed.

SB> Garrett's first post to ACF this year was on June 23. Garrett
SB> could have offered his services as webmaster of the
SB> pricelessware.org site then or any time in the next several days
SB> while voting on the proposed move was still open.

SB> The vote to move to a new site could have and would have been
SB> held open for as long as it took to reach a group decision.
SB> Anyone who had cast a vote in favor of the move would have been
SB> free to change their ballot.

SB> That didn't happen. Voting closed on Monday, June 28th. Today is
SB> Thursday.

SB> Today - without warning, without any discussion in the newsgroup
SB> an announcement is made that the pricelessware.org site
SB> "endures".

SB> Doesn't look much like democracy in action to me. . .

You know nothing about democracy then. 51 votes in this group is a
*CLIQUE* vote and decision. *NOT* a *GROUP* vote and decision. IF you
think that this group only has 51 participants, then *YOU* are the one
that is out of touch with reality! "Be careful what you wish for...".
You weren't and now want to cry foul. Simple as that. See ya'.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Regardless of what shakes out regarding one/two/multiple website(s),
official/unofficial/legitimate/illegitimate websites, I think it
would be a Very Good Thing if the group is clear on who should be
the point person in the discussion/vote/discussion process that
decides the PL for 2005. If the process somehow turns into a
clusterfsck, website questions and issues won't matter much. OTOH,
if the process is clear, the list itself will be fine no matter what
issues surround the website(s).

It would be helpful if Garrett stated his intentions. If Garrett does
not wish to be point person for PL2005 then IMO there will be no need
for further discussion ATM.

I've been point person for the group since last fall. AFAIK to date this
has not been elective position. IOW - the person who held the position
held it until they chose to step down.

I plan to start a discussion of the voting procedure, the selection
process following the vote etc. etc. *soon* - so that we will have
agreed upon procedures when nominations for PL2005 begin.

ISTM that if Garrett does wish to act as point person for PL2005 then
he should make that clear now and call for a vote *ASAP*.

Susan

 

[Box134]

Whoa! I wonder how many people even remember Gump Worsley. Or that he never
wore a mask! Maybe just New York Ranger fans.

 

[Box134]

Well, I'll be damned. I wondered if I was too quick and I discovered Gump
did wear a mask. I thought he retired before that but I saw him in what I
think was a Minnesota Northstars uniform wearing a mask.