MyIE2 is now Maxthon

[Aaron]

HA! That site must be under a DOS attack! They're slower than cheese!


Any site that classifies anything as "Extremely Critical" is not for
me anyway. Nothing on my computer, or for that matter my computer
itself is not extremely critical or important. "Extremely Critical"
would only be for IT professionals whose jobs are on the line.

Of course, whether a exploit is considered critical or not as nothing to do
with the value of the contents on your computer, but you know that.

Somehow I doubt you are as unconcerned with security as you seem to imply
here. You run Avast, spampal, kerio, spybot , ad-aware and more probably.


That doesn't sound like someone who doesn't care if there are hackers
illegally using your computer, to store warez and porn , using up your
computer resources.

Similarly for other people on this thread who use IE and say they think
security is not as important, they either, do what you do and run many
software, or they break the functional of IE by turning off everything.

Sounds to me it's easier just to use a None - Interent explorer based
browser.

Bob

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Rod]

Aaron wrote:
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I hate to say it, but you forced me to. while I reserve the right to
talk about other Myie2 users besides yourself, I was actually talking
about you since you were the lead one in the thread.

Oh wow, I'm the leader of the MyIE2-pack now ? Read my sig.
I didnt force you to do anything, I assume you're a grown up who makes his
own choices.
Again, please quote something about the features in 'my favorite browser not
in other browsers' I crowed about according to you, otherwise: be a man and
admit you're wrong.

Imaginary in this thread. Why bring them up, if they are not a factor
in this thread? As I mentioned to Bob before, sounds to me like it's
a very emotional response that has no place at all in this discussion.

Being outside this thread doesn't make anything imaginary.
I was just making a point about no-one ever gave me any examples what bad
things could happen to me while using IE

Just like you like to imply all firefox users are anti-MS by
referring to them, even when they are not around?

I never referred to Firefox users as being ms-bashers, please prove it by
quoting me, otherwise: be a man and admit you're wrong.

I would say this is a very good way to start a war, Rod by accusing
someone of not sticking with the facts.


Indeed. But the behaviour exhibited in that chain response of the
MYIE2 users, made me wonder.

Your assumptions did the same for me.

Of course, you exclude yourself. Even if I do give you the benefit of
the doubt, if you are honest with yourself an look at the other 2
responses, they do contain an element of gloating. Why else post two
glorified "me toos" to your post?

Again, stick with the facts, waiting for examples is different from doubting
you can come up with any. The responses to my post are not from me, whatever
other people post is up to them, it doesn't mean I agree with them.

Given that you keep attributing anti-MS sentiments to people who
advocates Firefox, I would say you are as guility as anyone here when
it comes to jumping to conclusions.

Again, quote me on that one, I said anything like that.

Since you are so generous with your advice to me on how to avoid wars,
let me give you one piece of mine free. Generally telling people that
they are "jumping to conclusions" and to "stick to the facts"
(implying they are not) is not likely to endear yourself to them and
is likely the start of a possible flamewar.

You aren't sticking to the facts. Give me quotes to prove you're right and
I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong and you were right, so far you
haven't done that.
Flamewars are for idiots. Wars in general are for idiots in my opinion.

Rod

 

[Bob Adkins]

Similarly for other people on this thread who use IE and say they think
security is not as important, they either, do what you do and run many
software, or they break the functional of IE by turning off everything.

Sounds to me it's easier just to use a None - Interent explorer based
browser.

Not that I owe anyone an explanation as to why I use IE and a front end
rather than Firefox or Opera, I'll try again is as simple terms as I can:

Opera is butt ugly and feels wrong for me. That's just my personal taste, so
YMMV. I can't stand the ads, so rule it out.

Firefox is OK, but rather big. It requires a big hassle to download the
plugins and extensions to make it comfortable for me to use. That's
personal, so YMMV. It adds nearly 18mb to the HDD with a few skins and
extensions. Rendering is good. I honestly don't know if it's portable. It's
easy to secure. All I need are a firewall, anti-spyware, and anti-virus
programs.

IE based browser shells are OK, and very compact. Maxthon for example is
4.5 Mb, with half of that being my favorite skins. It has ample features out
of the box, but that's personal, so YMMV. The D/L fits on a floppy. It's
super-easy to set up. Rendering is quick. Maxthon is portable, and so are
Green and Slim. It's easy to secure. All I need are a firewall,
anti-spyware, and anti-virus programs.

I've beat that dog to death, so that's all I've got to say until a new
version comes out.

Bob

 

[Klaatu]

I've beat that dog to death, so that's all I've got to say until a new
version comes out.

So, you're basically saying "YMMV"?

 

[Conor]

Where do you get your tag lines? They're great!

THere's a few sites on the net that do them but most I pick up from TV.
The last one was from the "American Hotrod" series.

 

[Bob Adkins]

So, you're basically saying "YMMV"?

Only in matters of personal taste. Facts are just facts, and are impersonal.
I was really seeking Aaron's forgiveness (or at least his understanding) for
preferring Maxthon over Firefox.

Firefox is obviously a great program, because everyone likes it. But then,
so is Maxthon. I happen to like Maxthon/IE better today, but who knows what
tomorrow will bring? I'm not stubborn, nor will I intentionally shoot myself
in the foot to make a point. I think no less of anyone for preferring
Firefox over IE front ends. I'm not that way. I will challenge obviously
biased people that exaggerate the life-threatening dangers of <GASP!>IE.

Bob

 

[Aaron]

Only in matters of personal taste. Facts are just facts, and are
impersonal.

Indeed. Unfortunately saying YMMV is often but not always just a way to
dodge the facts.

I'm not that
way. I will challenge obviously biased people that exaggerate the
life-threatening dangers of <GASP!>IE.

Bob, I think it's fair to say you hardly know anything about security
exploits (or more accurately you don't care?) , I don't really think you
are in a position to say for sure whether the threat is exaggerated or
not.

But I agree yes, it's your right to say you don't care if your computer
is being used by hackers to launch DDOS attacks, store porn, send spam
etc.

Bob

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Bob Adkins]

exploits (or more accurately you don't care?) , I don't really think you

As long as my computer is safe, I don't care beans about security.

But I agree yes, it's your right to say you don't care if your computer
is being used by hackers to launch DDOS attacks, store porn, send spam
etc.

Aaron! You seem to be implying that my IE-based browser has allowed my
computer to become infested with all sorts of nasties, and that I do not
care. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Just stop all the
histrionics, OK? The fact is, I monitor my system very carefully. Yes, I use
that nasty old IE, but I suppose if I "launch DDOD attacks, store porn,
send spam etc." I would want a more secure browser and OS.

Bottom line, I am convenience driven, not security driven. That doesn't mean
I do not value security. If my HDD were wiped out, it would be no loss to
me. However I would not enjoy the 3 hour job of re-installing Windows and
restoring all my cool freeware. If that happed often, I would become more
security-minded, you can bet.

Bob

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

<news:[email protected]>:

[about Firefox]

I don't know; a quick look at the options doesn't turn up anything
for me. I always close groups manually.

It can be configured that way, using Tabbrowser Extensions. In TBE's
options, under TabGroups, there is a pull-down menu. I don't know how
I overlooked it before.

 

[Bob Adkins]

<news:[email protected]>:

[about Firefox]

I don't know; a quick look at the options doesn't turn up anything
for me. I always close groups manually.

It can be configured that way, using Tabbrowser Extensions. In TBE's
options, under TabGroups, there is a pull-down menu. I don't know how
I overlooked it before.

Cool... but for some reason, I can't install extensions. Guess I'll have to
re-install Firefox.

Say Q, is it possible to launch 1 instance only, I had about 6 instances of
Firefox open a while ago! Do you need an extension for that?

Bob

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Cool... but for some reason, I can't install extensions. Guess
I'll have to re-install Firefox.

Say Q, is it possible to launch 1 instance only, I had about 6
instances of Firefox open a while ago! Do you need an extension
for that?

Yeah. There are several extensions that can force that, but given what
you want to do with tabs, IMO you should just use Tabbrowser
Extensions. The option to use only a single window at all times is in
the options for TBE somewhere. Look through more carefully than I
did.

<http://white.sakura.ne.jp/~piro/xul/_tabextensions.html.en>

 

[Bob Adkins]

Yeah. There are several extensions that can force that, but given what
you want to do with tabs, IMO you should just use Tabbrowser
Extensions. The option to use only a single window at all times is in
the options for TBE somewhere. Look through more carefully than I
did.

<http://white.sakura.ne.jp/~piro/xul/_tabextensions.html.en>

Not sure we're talking about the same thing. Multiple tabs (windows) are OK,
but not multiple instances of Firefox.

Thanks!

Bob

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Not sure we're talking about the same thing. Multiple tabs
(windows) are OK, but not multiple instances of Firefox.

Thanks!

We were on the same page (heh); I just don't think of tabs as
windows. The option you want in TBE is

Advanced|Window Mode: Use only one browser always (Single Window Mode)

 

[Primetime2628]

MY GOD HOW TIRESOME............

Aaron wrote:
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Oh wow, I'm the leader of the MyIE2-pack now ? Read my sig.
I didnt force you to do anything, I assume you're a grown up who makes his
own choices.
Again, please quote something about the features in 'my favorite browser not
in other browsers' I crowed about according to you, otherwise: be a man and
admit you're wrong.


Being outside this thread doesn't make anything imaginary.
I was just making a point about no-one ever gave me any examples what bad
things could happen to me while using IE


I never referred to Firefox users as being ms-bashers, please prove it by
quoting me, otherwise: be a man and admit you're wrong.


Your assumptions did the same for me.


Again, stick with the facts, waiting for examples is different from doubting
you can come up with any. The responses to my post are not from me, whatever
other people post is up to them, it doesn't mean I agree with them.


Again, quote me on that one, I said anything like that.


You aren't sticking to the facts. Give me quotes to prove you're right and
I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong and you were right, so far you
haven't done that.
Flamewars are for idiots. Wars in general are for idiots in my opinion.

Rod

{~._.~}
( Y ) Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take,
()~*~() but by the moments that take our breath away
(_)-(_)

 

[Aaron]

As long as my computer is safe, I don't care beans about security.


Aaron! You seem to be implying that my IE-based browser has allowed
my computer to become infested with all sorts of nasties, and that I
do not care.

Am I wrong?

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Just stop all
the histrionics, OK? The fact is, I monitor my system very carefully.

Really? You have being making claims in the thread that security is not
that important for you because you don't store anything sensitive on your
computer. Now you telling me, actually it's quite important, and that you
monitor your system "very carefully"? Good to hear.

Still, you mock security exploits classified as "extremely critical".
When those are exploits that allow remote execution of any arbitary code,
that would in the end allow hackers to gain control of your computer. So
of course I got the impression you don't care.

Yes, I use that nasty old IE, but I suppose if I "launch DDOD
attacks, store porn, send spam etc." I would want a more secure
browser and OS.

Let's hope you do know when you are infected

Bob

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Rod]

MY GOD HOW TIRESOME............

snipped the tiresome bit

When someone claims I said things I never said, or claims I have opinions I
don't have and never wrote down, I would like that person to straighten that
out.
But that's not likely to happen, and so an end has come to this discussion
that was tiresesome for you and presumely others. My apologies to everyone
but Aaron, for having this discussion in ACF.
Back to freeware.

Rod

 

[Bob Adkins]

Really? You have being making claims in the thread that security is not
that important for you because you don't store anything sensitive on your
computer. Now you telling me, actually it's quite important, and that you
monitor your system "very carefully"? Good to hear.

One more time Aaron: Security is important to me, but I do not fixate and
obsess over it like some weenies do. I would rather spend my time trying out
cool Freeware. Is that simple enough for you? If security were a constant
problem, I would place more emphasis on it. It's just not an issue right
now.

Still, you mock security exploits classified as "extremely critical".
When those are exploits that allow remote execution of any arbitary code,
that would in the end allow hackers to gain control of your computer. So
of course I got the impression you don't care.

I don't use the extreme adjectives that IT and security pros do, because I'm
just a casual user. Why subject myself to security worries that do not
pertain to me? Can't you get it through your head that *I* am the one that
chooses my security needs, not you? *I* am the one that must live with the
consequences of whatever horrible thing you imagine is going to destroy me,
my children, my pets, and my computer.

Let's hope you do know when you are infected

Aaron, let me worry about my own security, OK? If I get wiped out, it will
not affect you, I promise. Now go find someone else to nag.

Bob

 

[Aaron]

When someone claims I said things I never said, or claims I have
opinions I don't have and never wrote down, I would like that person
to straighten that out.

And I would have answered but likely it would have not being productive,
so I stopped. You can bring it to email if you like. My email is
perfectly valid.

But that's not likely to happen, and so an end has come to this
discussion that was tiresesome for you and presumely others.

Indeed, that is why I decided not to answer (until now that is).

Rod

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Aaron]

One more time Aaron: Security is important to me, but I do not fixate
and obsess over it like some weenies do.

I hope you are not calling people who know more about security than you
"weenies", Bob. Otherwise there will be lots of "weenies" out there. And
what about people who know less than you, do you call them "ignorant"?
Looks like there are lots of weenies and ignorant people out there then
.

I don't use the extreme adjectives that IT and security pros do,
because I'm just a casual user. Why subject myself to security worries
that do not pertain to me?

Does not pertain to you? Do you not understand what remote execution
means?
Let me turn it around, in what situations would a security exploit
warning "pertain" to you?

When you are already infected ? Preferably when it installs itself and
says "Bob, you should not have ignored the following security exploit
warning ....."

Can't you get it through your head that
*I* am the one that chooses my security needs, not you? *I* am the one
that must live with the consequences of whatever horrible thing you
imagine is going to destroy me, my children, my pets, and my computer.

I understand perfectly. While you don't really like reinstalling your
computer you certainly won't be suicidial if your computer gets infected
or hacked. Heck that's pretty much the view of many people too.

But what I don't get is that amazingly in one breath you admit you don't
know much about security, yet on another hand, you consider yourself
perfectly capable of evaluating whether a certain exploit is relevant to
you or not.

That is what I don't understand.

Aaron, let me worry about my own security, OK? If I get wiped out, it
will not affect you, I promise. Now go find someone else to nag.

Bob

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Rod]

And I would have answered but likely it would have not being productive,
so I stopped. You can bring it to email if you like. My email is
perfectly valid.

I have better things to do than exchange emails with you. You're completely
missing the point of stating things in public about other people that
aren't true, without coming up with any evidence. I can't remember how many
times I asked you to quote me for this purpose. So far you failed to do so.
You're right, you are not very productive.

Indeed, that is why I decided not to answer (until now that is).

Sure, the lack of evidence to back you up couldn't have been a reason,
could it ? Facts 'Aaron', facts, nothing more, nothing less. End of
discussion, go troll someone else, or even better, stop trolling.

Rod