Microsoft! whether we can upload the projects (in .zip file) ?

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* "Cor said:
That is absolutly against all newsgroup community rules.
Every individual can choose for it, but it can never be a rule in a
newsgroup community.
For English readers, beneatj is a part of the netetiquete from the German
Microsoft Site.
I keep it untranslated because otherwise we can start making a thread about
simple words. Who wants to translate it, use www.babelfish.org please.

Anhänge sind in den Microsoft-Newsgroups generell unerwünscht. Sie
verlängern für die User lediglich die Downloadzeit auch wenn sie sie gar
nicht lesen möchten. Auch die Virengefahr ist bei Attachments nicht zu
unterschätzen. Die meisten User, besonders die Stammuser, übergehen solche
Postings. Verweisen Sie lieber in Ihrem Posting mit Links auf entsprechende
Downloadmöglichkeiten bzw. auf die Quelle Ihrer Informationen im Web.

In this text is nothing that Fergus(I think) or I(for sure) do not agree
with

But there is nowhere written "Verboten"
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You are right, it's possible to post articles with attachments, but
people who do this will be ignored because they prevent some other
people who regularly frequent the groups from accessing other articles.
 
* "Fergus Cooney said:
There are also a <lot> of rules. <<A lot>>. What was it you were saying
about the Germans not having more rules, Herfried?
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A lot of rules that make sense. The rules guarantee the best service
for all people participating to the groups.
 
* "Cor said:
Although Herfried is no German, I was talking about the German
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Austria is very close to Germany and it has been part of Germany for
some time. People are _very_ similar.
culture(Prusian culture more), Herfried has probably right, it has not to do
with the amount of rules but with the amount of handling according those
rules.

I would not use my country or Brittain as example, but did you ever been in
Italy on the road. It is greath everybody is driving very fast (but
carefully), and the rules are for the rules.
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I remember the British policemen are so popular, but I never read that
the German policemen are propular...
 
* "Cor said:
I totally can agree with above.

But program code which we are talking about are text file, not binaires.
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It has been compressed into a ZIP archive, that's a binary file.
 
* "I_AM_DON_AND_YOU? said:
Someone has found a web-link from Microsoft Website and it clearly says that
it is ok to have attachment (less than 1MB size) at Microsoft Newsgroups.
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I know this link. I only told you to stop posting attachments because
you will have a better chance to get an answer if you don't include
files with your multipart messages.
 
* "Fergus Cooney said:
Don't forget to keep that commanding tone in your voice. I'm sure
Microsoft will jump to it as much as everyone else who you order around.

In the meantime, I'll ask them politely to replace that <outdated>
netiquette in the German newsgroup with the correct English version.
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Your behavior is against every community because it seems that you like
it when people have problems accessing the groups and worms/viruses can
be posted to the groups.
 
* "Cor said:
Hi Herfried and Armin,

I have checked all your messages, it where all bytes.
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;-)

Are you sure you read the RFC on multipart messages?
 
* "Cor said:
This is finding a reason, mostly used by people when they starts to see he
cannot win with normal arguments.
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One of the main reason swen spammed the newsgroups was that the server
didn't block multipart posts.
 
* "steve said:
let me stick up for herfried with whom i am in total agreement!
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:-)

Thank you very much. I feel much better when I know I am not alone with
my opinion.
this statement is an example of why it is pragmatically logical *not* to
allow, or to discourage, posting messages w/ attachments. the second
pragmatic reason is that very few people will be willing to open an entire
project to debug someone's crappy code. posting it by default is an
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I wouldn't debug the code because I am not sure if it contains
statements writing something to the registry or a file which I won't
find after removing the project.
if i'm a little more than miffed at the comments you've been making, i'm
sure herfried has a right to be even moreso...since the brunt of your
comments have been directly aimed at him.

herfried, here's to your patience...you haven't seemed to loose your top
yet. ;^)
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:^)
 
* "Cor said:
We totaly agree with each other.

And I never offend Herfried, Nick onces said that I love him.
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I love Corina, but I enjoy arguing with Cor.

;-)
But I don't like it when new arguments come in, which has nothing to do with
the case.
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The argument has to do a lot with the case.
 
* "Cor said:
Maybe it is good to contribute that link to all Microsoft German newsgroups,
it seems the are using the wrong netetiqete (that is not a rule of course).
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As long as they are using a "netetiquete" it's no problem.
What do you think about that idea, we cannot leave those people with the
wrong style from posting.
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That's not a topic to joke about. If you are planning to spam a
newsgroup, I will have to send a message to your ISP to disable your
account.
 
Herfried,

Please take it serious, this is rediculeus so much threads about nothing.
The attachment is not for nothing and on the way it is written on the German
Microsoft Site is in my idea how it has to be treaten without the extra
rules that people make in German newsgroups.

When after a complex item someone is asked to send in some code, the
difference in pasting it in or send it as an attachment is nothing.

And I know it needs watching that that not becomes in a time a complete
sending of usefull tools for developing or other crazy things.

And in preventing that you find me right on your side.

Cor
 
* "Fergus Cooney said:
That's making a point using an extreme case and it invites immediate
ridicule. You can't score with an argument like that.
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Have a look at Steve's post.
Why? Because I agree that attachments at that level would be disruptive.
Of course I do. The evidence, as you remind us, is just a couple of weeks
behind us.

But your point is <totally invalid> in this discussion because that was a
virus which was <intended> to disrupt.
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Your point is totally invalid because of your lack of knowledge of
Microsoft's news servers.
We aren't talking about people posting 150KB attachments several times an
hour/day. We are talking about the <occasional> poster who attaches a zipped
solution containing a project. It's not even an everyday occurence!!
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You didn't understand it. The spammers can only be blocked by blocking
multipart messages at all.
In the case of the last attachment, mine, it was only 7K!
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We are talking about the 60 KB attachment.
Having just read Cor's response. Yes. You are getting desperate. So too
with your 'surrealism' in other discussion about quoting. My Vater used to do
that when he saw no other way out without having to admit that his opponent
(me) had a good point. It was both our loss because we never got to finish a
discussion. An opportunity to find common ground was lost.
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See Steve's post.
 
* "steve said:
btw...where is herf. now, anyway...he's a big boy. i'll let him state his
case...my fingers are sore from typing. ;^)
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My fingers are sore too...
 
* "Cor said:
This brings it totaly of case. The virusses from the microsoft newsgroups
where as far as I know not spreaded by the attachment but by using the email
adresses that were used in this newsgroup. (There are not so much fools in
this newsgroup who do open every attachment that they see thinking it is the
jackpot).
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I am sure I know more about Swen + newsservers than you...
 
* "Cor said:
Please take it serious, this is rediculeus so much threads about nothing.
The attachment is not for nothing and on the way it is written on the German
Microsoft Site is in my idea how it has to be treaten without the extra
rules that people make in German newsgroups.

When after a complex item someone is asked to send in some code, the
difference in pasting it in or send it as an attachment is nothing.
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That's why email has been invented.
 
Herfried K. Wagner said:
Austria is very close to Germany and it has been part of Germany
for some time. People are _very_ similar.
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No insults please.

SCNR

;-)
 
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