Microsoft shortens Windows name

George Macdonald · Sep 9, 2004

I guess the question here would be, was it an arbitary number fixed by
MacD, or they have some reasonable reasons for doing this. I think
somebody did mentioned that MacD's assumption was most of the take
away coffee would be drunk some time later when the customer arrives
at whatever place it was they were taking away to. So I would think it
wasn't an unreasonable temperature.

Hmm, how about two kinds of coffee: dangerous stuff for take-away and
consumption later... and drinkable stuff?? :-)

hehehe, personally I usually just order cold drinks if I want
something fast. Maybe I'm used to the fact hot drinks will always be
too hot to drink immediately. Otherwise, we'll call them warm drinks
no?

Yep - cold drinks is the only way but.... I do like a cup of moderately hot
coffee. Seems a shame that it's impossible to satisfy my needs. Am I
really in a minority on this?

Given this, I think MacD should had just settled out of compassion and
give her the money to cover her medical, it's a paltry sum to MacD.
Plus their marketing department can always put a wonderful spin on how
MacD didn't need to but made a goodwill payment etc etc.

Did she sue MacD first or did she ask them nicely to compensate for
the bills caused by the drinks and they refused?

There was a URL earlier which pointed to the sequence of events but I don't
recall if she actually went directly to court. In the usual scheme of
things I can't imagine she'd have gotten a satisfactory response from a
simple "nice" request anyway.

Though, personally being the klutz I am, I've always kept in mind to
open things applying force in a direction away from myself, hot drinks
or canned soda which have an annoying tendency to gush forth.
Considering my own klutziness, I don't think MacD is technically at
fault here for cups toppling?

No - not the cup toppling - the fault is only in the overheating. Err,
it's supposed to be a drink, not a dangerous booby-trap.

Since teens, I've spilled countless of drinks trying to place the tray
down on the table at fast food places like MacD & KFC. It took a while
(ok so I'm slooooow ) before I figured out that I should hold the
drink down with one hand before I attempt the maneuver. or lower
myself parallel to the ground. How the heck do you guys do it without
tripping the cup anyway? There's no way I could figure out how with
two hands still on the tray since the hands inevitably causes the tray
to tilt at an angle.

Accidents happen to everyone, no matter how careful.<shrug> Here's one of
my recent ones: sitting with a lovely pint of best English bitter on the
pub table in front of me; no coasters on the table which slopes off just
slightly towards the edge and the glass is sitting in a little spilt beer
with an air bubble apparently trapped under it. Conversation is a little
animated and the table must have been rocking just a tad from time to time.
I think you'll see the problem - what a waste of beer! + slight
embarrassment since it looked like I'd had a different kind of umm,
accident.

If going by the "did the customer ask for it" argument, I could very
well sue MacD had any harm come to me, by asking "did I ask for such a
tall cup with a high center of gravity thus greater instability? Why
didn't MacD provide a large base bowl instead for their drinks?" It's
not reasonable, everybody knows that it's a common practise that
bigger drinks come in taller cups and taller cups are more prone to
falling.

Except they seem to be under some (mis)impression that everybody wants
their coffee at scalding temps?? If there is a conduit for my request, I
vote for coffee at a drinkable temp at time of purchase. Let the err,
hot-mouths use the office microwave to tweak it back up as required. :-)

Also, I think MacD does have the word HOT on these things no? So
they've warned the customer, it's not their fault if any of us don't
read it no? Though I still hope they do help out the old lady with her
medical bills.

I still think there is an expectation that a beverage should be drinkable
as served - that's still "HOT" to the skin. If it had been (drinkable),
the poor woman might have gotten a coupla mild blisters, instead of 3rd
degree burns requiring debridement [oo-oo-ooh] of the err, perineal/genital
area<cringe>.

Secondary effect here: I'm sure people have even died for the sake of
decorum and modesty.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

chrisv · Sep 9, 2004

Ooo ... bad example.

Malpractice insurance is optional, at least in the US,

Bullsh*t. Whether legally "optional" or not, it's still effectively
required, given that one suit could wipe you out, otherwise.

Since you're too dense to figure that one out, I've *flushed* the rest
of your nonsense.

chrisv · Sep 9, 2004

CJT said:
So you think it's better to leave the dangerous ones alone.
Illogical.

I disagree.

With your straw man, you mean?

Or do you think the dangerous ones have signs on their office doors to
make them easy to identify?

?

Scott Alfter · Sep 9, 2004

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keith · Sep 10, 2004

Hmm, how about two kinds of coffee: dangerous stuff for take-away and
consumption later... and drinkable stuff??

The question was already asked and answered. You lost, though perhaps the
nitwit who burned herself on coffe that the customers *demanded* pushes
things in your favor and away from mine. Yes I prefer 180F coffee, even
feom the cafeteria 100' from my offfice. Sure, I may sip it for a
half-hour, but that's the way I *like* it (I don't put the cup between my
legs

.

Yep - cold drinks is the only way but.... I do like a cup of moderately
hot coffee. Seems a shame that it's impossible to satisfy my needs. Am
I really in a minority on this?

Apparently, since McD's and D-n-D served it at 180F at the time. Just
because you want to drink piss-warm coffee ;-) isn't a reason to foist the
crap on me!

Given this, I think MacD should had just settled out of compassion and
give her the money to cover her medical, it's a paltry sum to MacD. Plus
their marketing department can always put a wonderful spin on how MacD
didn't need to but made a goodwill payment etc etc.

Did she sue MacD first or did she ask them nicely to compensate for the
bills caused by the drinks and they refused?

Click to expand...

There was a URL earlier which pointed to the sequence of events but I
don't recall if she actually went directly to court. In the usual
scheme of things I can't imagine she'd have gotten a satisfactory
response from a simple "nice" request anyway.

Though, personally being the klutz I am, I've always kept in mind to
open things applying force in a direction away from myself, hot drinks
or canned soda which have an annoying tendency to gush forth.
Considering my own klutziness, I don't think MacD is technically at
fault here for cups toppling?

Click to expand...

No - not the cup toppling - the fault is only in the overheating. Err,
it's supposed to be a drink, not a dangerous booby-trap.

Since teens, I've spilled countless of drinks trying to place the tray
down on the table at fast food places like MacD & KFC. It took a while
(ok so I'm slooooow ) before I figured out that I should hold the
drink down with one hand before I attempt the maneuver. or lower myself
parallel to the ground. How the heck do you guys do it without tripping
the cup anyway? There's no way I could figure out how with two hands
still on the tray since the hands inevitably causes the tray to tilt at
an angle.

Click to expand...

Accidents happen to everyone, no matter how careful.<shrug> Here's one
of my recent ones: sitting with a lovely pint of best English bitter on
the pub table in front of me; no coasters on the table which slopes off
just slightly towards the edge and the glass is sitting in a little
spilt beer with an air bubble apparently trapped under it. Conversation
is a little animated and the table must have been rocking just a tad
from time to time. I think you'll see the problem - what a waste of
beer! + slight embarrassment since it looked like I'd had a different
kind of umm, accident.

If going by the "did the customer ask for it" argument, I could very
well sue MacD had any harm come to me, by asking "did I ask for such a
tall cup with a high center of gravity thus greater instability? Why
didn't MacD provide a large base bowl instead for their drinks?" It's
not reasonable, everybody knows that it's a common practise that bigger
drinks come in taller cups and taller cups are more prone to falling.

Click to expand...

Except they seem to be under some (mis)impression that everybody wants
their coffee at scalding temps?? If there is a conduit for my request,
I vote for coffee at a drinkable temp at time of purchase. Let the err,
hot-mouths use the office microwave to tweak it back up as required.

Also, I think MacD does have the word HOT on these things no? So they've
warned the customer, it's not their fault if any of us don't read it no?
Though I still hope they do help out the old lady with her medical
bills.

Click to expand...

I still think there is an expectation that a beverage should be
drinkable as served - that's still "HOT" to the skin. If it had been
(drinkable), the poor woman might have gotten a coupla mild blisters,
instead of 3rd degree burns requiring debridement [oo-oo-ooh] of the
err, perineal/genital area<cringe>.

We can disagree. I want to sip it for a while. I want it to be drinkable
in a half-hour. If I'm thursty I drink water (they frown on beer at
work

Secondary effect here: I'm sure people have even died for the sake of
decorum and modesty.

....like the guy who disappeared out of the emergency room last week
after being told his penis had to be removed to save his life?

keith · Sep 10, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:56:40 +0000, borolad wrote:

You repeat yourself.

George Macdonald · Sep 10, 2004

The question was already asked and answered. You lost, though perhaps the
nitwit who burned herself on coffe that the customers *demanded* pushes
things in your favor and away from mine. Yes I prefer 180F coffee, even
feom the cafeteria 100' from my offfice. Sure, I may sip it for a
half-hour, but that's the way I *like* it (I don't put the cup between my
legs .

Answered by whom?... you?... and "lost"... customers *demanded? Was there
a referendum while I wasn't looking?<splutter> Sorry that's not an
authoritative word on the matter... just because you prefer scalding should
not mean that I am deprived of something drinkable. Err, I like it my way
thanks.

Apparently, since McD's and D-n-D served it at 180F at the time. Just
because you want to drink piss-warm coffee ;-) isn't a reason to foist the
crap on me!

I don't see a majority here and even if there was, there are enough people
who appreciate good coffee at the *correct* temp that we shouldn't have to
be bulldozed into submission. Then again McDs has had a long history of
pandering to minority action groups. :-)

I still think there is an expectation that a beverage should be
drinkable as served - that's still "HOT" to the skin. If it had been
(drinkable), the poor woman might have gotten a coupla mild blisters,
instead of 3rd degree burns requiring debridement [oo-oo-ooh] of the
err, perineal/genital area<cringe>.

Click to expand...

We can disagree. I want to sip it for a while. I want it to be drinkable
in a half-hour. If I'm thursty I drink water (they frown on beer at
work

We'll have to disagree then but it's nothing to do with thirst - it's the
taste of decent coffe which has not been stewed at elevated temps... nor
overheated to mask the gawdawful taste of the crappy over-roasted beans
they use in most places.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

The Chief · Sep 10, 2004

I thought the Off Topic posts were supposed to stop!

Robert Redelmeier · Sep 10, 2004

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips The Chief said:
I thought the Off Topic posts were supposed to stop!

Why would you think this? Because some moron (cf. Kieth)
has been crapflooding? He's been killfilled.

Chief, USENET ain't the Army. There is no chain-of-command.
There are people who've build a reputation that others
respect. Not everyone, and not always.

-- Robert

keith · Sep 11, 2004

Answered by whom?... you?... and "lost"... customers *demanded?

Exactly. Do you wonder why the suits in Chicago edicted that coffee was
to be served hot? The real secret is that *CUSTOMERS WANT IT THAT WAY*.
Oops, now I've spilled the all the coffee beans. ;-)

Was there
a referendum while I wasn't looking?<splutter> Sorry that's not an
authoritative word on the matter... just because you prefer scalding
should not mean that I am deprived of something drinkable. Err, I like
it my way thanks.

You were sleeping apparently. THe fact is that che consumer spoke, and
then the lawyers trumped the consumer. That's the sad part of the whole
deal. Consumers *want* !!!hot!!! coffee.

I don't see a majority here

Here? ...in .chips? Do you really think the McD's and D-n-D's execs
created *hot* coffee on a whim? No, the market demands hot coffee. That
is a given, even though you apparently like to drink dirty piss.

and even if there was, there are enough
people who appreciate good coffee at the *correct*

Now you sound like a loony-lefty. *YOU* determine what I thinkg to be
correct? Sorry, but top the back of the bus with you! Skip MD's and DnD.
...doesn't bother me a bit. Just don't get your leagal beagles to wage
war on what *I* want. *THAT* is the issue.

temp that we shouldn't have to be bulldozed into submission. Then again McDs has had
a long history of pandering to minority action groups.

Exactly. ...trial lawyers. It hasn't stopped.

I still think there is an expectation that a beverage should be
drinkable as served - that's still "HOT" to the skin. If it had been
(drinkable), the poor woman might have gotten a coupla mild blisters,
instead of 3rd degree burns requiring debridement [oo-oo-ooh] of the
err, perineal/genital area<cringe>.

Click to expand...

We can disagree. I want to sip it for a while. I want it to be
drinkable in a half-hour. If I'm thursty I drink water (they frown on
beer at work

Click to expand...

We'll have to disagree then but it's nothing to do with thirst - it's
the taste of decent coffe which has not been stewed at elevated temps...
nor overheated to mask the gawdawful taste of the crappy over-roasted
beans they use in most places.

You obviously drink crappy piss-water in the name of coffee.

keith · Sep 11, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:37:57 -0400, The Chief wrote:

I thought blank articles were supposed to stop!

Maroon!

borolad · Sep 11, 2004