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[keith]

Very close. The secret is McD makes more profit that way.

Then by definition, they *must* do what you abhor. Their customers like
it, their stockholders like it. You, on the other hand, seem to think you
trump both.

They sell more coffee because more customers let it cool and very few
sue. The problem is that many more suffer damage than sue. McD's
analysis is skewed.

Nope, theirs is the only true analysis. An old bimbo who puts a cup of
hot coffee between her legs *TO OPEN IT* is the one that's "skewed".

I don't want the nanny state, neither through regulation nor court
precedents. But I would like some assurance that risk managers take
total damages into account, and not just the damages they suffer.
Strictly speaking, they are now required (shareholders) to look only at
the latter.


Actually, the best coffees (Europe, S.Am) are served tepid to lukewarm.
And taste _great_. Only poor quality coffee needs heat.

Leave it to the Franck to pollute one's mind with piss-water! ;-)

 

[keith]

Since this thread appears to be for shitheads, may I join in and act
like a dumbass, too?

Sure, it seems that even self-described dumbass-shitheads are able
to post on the usenet. Even borolad has figured out the magic incantations
needed. ...other than adding content, of course. Are you sure your name
isn't borolad? Oh, well, your current moniker fits well enough.

 

[keith]

C'mon lads stop x-posting this shite to: .x86-64

C'mon Borolad, sop spamming the usenet anonomously and tell us who your
ISP is, so we can have your ass TOSed. What, you 'fraid to identify
yourself?

 

[keith]

No, baby's milk is warmed until is it warm, but not hot when
a few drops fall on the inside of the wrist. Probably around
95'F. Human skin has to be colder than core temp.


I very much doubt it. Did you have a thermometer? Temperatures
are notoriously difficult to estimate by feel. Some people
get very upset when their HSF is the least bit warm or if
a vidchip is too hot to keep finger on. But that is only 60'C,
Tcase.

and those chips are usually rated for 85'C.

Tjunction. There is a *huge* difference. Tjunction can be vastly
different than Tdie. Local heating can be tremendous (enough to destroy
the junction while Tc is cold)

Yes, you remember accurately.


Perhaps you should consider that it takes some knowledge
(not just opinion) to be able to correctly evaluate expertise.

USENET tends to respect those who supply data to back their
opinions. Agrumentation, or raw opinions are much less
respected. And flat contradiction is reviled.


Thank you. I will take the insult as an admission you do
not have any better logical, arguments or data. I accept
your surrender.

Oh, Robert. You nasty ol' .chips fart! You should be kinder to the kidz!
;-)

 

[keith]

Not at all - the authorities on coffee: growers, afficianados, gourmet
experts etc. who have taken time & effort to come up with the perfect
beans, perfectly roasted and brewed to the exact right temp have spoken!

Yeah, and the same sorts talk about wine, with their snoots in the air.
Audiophools have nothing on them. The fact is that if the consumer parts
good (no *excellent) money for your product, it's good for both. If you
can push it (whatever it[1] is) by somehow claiming "intellectual"
(read; snob) superriority that's goodness. The market speaks.

[1] "It" may be wine, audio equipment, or apparently cafeene

The sad thing is that most people think coffee is a naturally bitter
drink which needs sugar/milk/cream to make it more pleasant and of
course heat to mask the foul taste... and it is at D-n-D, McDs and
especially Starbucks<yech>, because the fools think the only thing that
matters is HOT.

I prefer some creame in mine, because black coffee is disgusting. Some is
better than others (GMCR's "Harvard Blend" is quite good, but I can only
get it at home). And no, I don't even drink tea without milk.
Most of the time I even dring Bud Lite! *HORRORS*, though the only beer in
the fridge now is Sams. Ya' know some people are raised that way.

On the contrary, real coffee is a pleasant, almost sweet beverage which,
when the beans are treated with water at the correct temp of ~195F,
allowed to drip/pour into a coolish carafe and served in a room temp
cup, is perfect for drinking at ~140F and has a glorious flavor,

By the time I drink it I'm sure it is about 140F. Indeed most of it
likely stays close to that for the half hour I sip it. If I wanted to
chug the stuff I'd drink the above Bud Lite! ;-)

unadulterated with flavor killing agents. Sorry but anything else is
just heresy... maybe fit for washing the feet. Slurp away at your
stewed bilge-water - I'll hold out for something closer to the real
thing.

YOu can drink what I wash my feet with, but no thanks. If you believe the
great unwashed shouldn't be drinking (and spending good money) on what
they *want*, then I guess you're simple an eletist Kerry-loving French
pinko. ;-)

My point is that the market speaks. <smart> corporations listen.
....which brings us back to chips and Intel. ;-)

 

[The Chief]

Thank you. I will take the insult as an admission you do
not have any better logical, arguments or data. I accept
your surrender.

-- Robert

Surrender, Hell!

 

[The Chief]

No, baby's milk is warmed until is it warm, but not hot when
a few drops fall on the inside of the wrist. Probably around
95'F. Human skin has to be colder than core temp.

"Pediatricians advise that the ideal baby food temperature is 98.6 F,
the temperature of breast milk and the body."

 

[Shitheads]

Sure, it seems that even self-described dumbass-shitheads are able
to post on the usenet. Even borolad has figured out the magic incantations
needed. ...other than adding content, of course. Are you sure your name
isn't borolad? Oh, well, your current moniker fits well enough.

thanks, but i m not sure if i can figure this stuff out. i keep losing
my settings and have trouble getting them to work again. but if i can
get stuff working i will feel right at home.

 

[Scott Lurndal]

Very close. The secret is McD makes more profit that way.
They sell more coffee because more customers let it cool
and very few sue. The problem is that many more suffer
damage than sue. McD's analysis is skewed.

I'm not sure what this is doing in a bunch of hardware
groups, but I'll point out that the water cooler at my work
dispenses hot water (for tea, coffee dilution, etc) at
195 degrees Fahrenheit (yes, there is a thermometer on the
front of the unit). If you want extra hot, you push a button
and get 200 degrees.

It's not just McDonalds that believe[sd] that hot is better.

I drink tea every day, too.

Actually, the best coffees (Europe, S.Am) are served tepid
to lukewarm. And taste _great_. Only poor quality coffee
needs heat.

Your opinion, unless you care to back it up with some fact.

scott

 

[The Chief]

Very close. The secret is McD makes more profit that way.
They sell more coffee because more customers let it cool
and very few sue. The problem is that many more suffer
damage than sue. McD's analysis is skewed.

I'm not sure what this is doing in a bunch of hardware
groups, but I'll point out that the water cooler at my work
dispenses hot water (for tea, coffee dilution, etc) at
195 degrees Fahrenheit (yes, there is a thermometer on the
front of the unit). If you want extra hot, you push a button
and get 200 degrees.

It's not just McDonalds that believe[sd] that hot is better.

I drink tea every day, too.

Actually, the best coffees (Europe, S.Am) are served tepid
to lukewarm. And taste _great_. Only poor quality coffee
needs heat.

Your opinion, unless you care to back it up with some fact.

scott

To your 1st point: It has absolutely nothing to do with this forum.
These guys just think they don't have to abide by any standards and are
free to do whatever they want! They think they are better than the rest
of society and there are absolutely no standards that apply to them!
They get "to know each other" with their OT posts!

And for you 2nd point: Don't confuse the facts with logic! They don't
care whether what their post is factual or not! They are establishing
their "reputation" so that everyone will know they are "experts."

But you must remember: These guys are absolute experts! And your
opinion is worthless because they said so!!!

 

[George Macdonald]

Not at all - the authorities on coffee: growers, afficianados, gourmet
experts etc. who have taken time & effort to come up with the perfect
beans, perfectly roasted and brewed to the exact right temp have spoken!

Yeah, and the same sorts talk about wine, with their snoots in the air.
Audiophools have nothing on them. The fact is that if the consumer parts
good (no *excellent) money for your product, it's good for both. If you
can push it (whatever it[1] is) by somehow claiming "intellectual"
(read; snob) superriority that's goodness. The market speaks.

[1] "It" may be wine, audio equipment, or apparently cafeene

So anyone who appreciates what you do not is an aeshete?

YOu can drink what I wash my feet with, but no thanks. If you believe the
great unwashed shouldn't be drinking (and spending good money) on what
they *want*, then I guess you're simple an eletist Kerry-loving French
pinko. ;-)

I think you (should) know that Kerry remark to not be true. You've gone
too far. Time to move on now I think.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

Cup Pot
Home (1) 69/156 72/162
Home (2) 70/158 N/A
7-11 Main St 68/154 72/162
7-11 13th Ave 72/162
Tim Horton's 74/165 76.7/170*
Robin's Donuts 74/165 77/171
Boston Pizza 67/153 70/158

Excellent data! Minor point, stainless steel has very
low heat capacity and will cool the coffee somewhat
less than a ceramic mug. As you noted (1) & (2)

Neglected cup cooled off while I was busy: 56/133
Still OK. Not cool enough yet that my first thought is
that I wish it was warmer.
Same cup deliberately untouched for a while longer: 50/122
Definitely time for a fresh cup but I would still drink
it if replacing it or nuking it was not an option.

Also valuable info!

-- Robert

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

Tjunction. There is a *huge* difference. Tjunction can be
vastly different than Tdie. Local heating can be tremendous
(enough to destroy the junction while Tc is cold)

Granted. Many chips are rated for Tcase 85'C, with Tj
much higher, probably around 105'C. The 440BX was rated
for Tcase 105'C, and I don't wanna think what Tj was.

Oh, Robert. You nasty ol' .chips fart! You should be
kinder to the kidz! ;-)

I would, but "The Chief" appears to claim s/he's US Army
retired -- an old fart by any definition. Furthermore,
I would expect that a CWO has been less-than-kind to
others in the past and might need to relearn this skill.
I grant you I'm not setting the best example, but I fear
a less forthright might not be comprehended.

-- Robert

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

Surrender, Hell!

I believe the canonical reply is "Nuts!" [Gen MacAuliff 101st
Airborne to encircling Germans at Bastogne, Dec 1944]

-- Robert

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

"Pediatricians advise that the ideal baby food temperature
is 98.6 F, the temperature of breast milk and the body."

Very nice. Attribution please?

-- Robert

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

Then by definition, they *must* do what you abhor.
Their customers like it, their stockholders like it.

I'm sorry I have not made myself clear. I do not abhor
profit. It is a necessary element of the market system,
and is generally desireable.

You, on the other hand, seem to think you trump both.

No, that would be insufferable arrogant. I am concerned
that some comsumer preferences (damages) are underweighted
or missed altogether.

Nope, theirs is the only true analysis. An old bimbo who
puts a cup of hot coffee between her legs *TO OPEN IT*
is the one that's "skewed".

The precise manner of spilling is irrelevant. She could have
gotten just as severe burns from silling from another cause.
Open cup being jostled by a neighbor or car bump. The hazard
was the overheat. The manner in which it manifested are many.

-- Robert

 

[The Chief]

Surrender, Hell!

I believe the canonical reply is "Nuts!" [Gen MacAuliff 101st
Airborne to encircling Germans at Bastogne, Dec 1944]

-- Robert

"Surrender, hell!"

Colonel William T. Warfield
The night 0f 9 - 10 June 1944
The 2nd BN. 115 INF. REGT. 29TH DIV.

 

[The Chief]

I would, but "The Chief" appears to claim s/he's US Army
retired -- an old fart by any definition. Furthermore,
I would expect that a CWO has been less-than-kind to
others in the past and might need to relearn this skill.
I grant you I'm not setting the best example, but I fear
a less forthright might not be comprehended.

-- Robert

I'll just say that you don't serve for 31 years, 7 months, and 5 days in
the manner you suggest! And you can bet that I'm extremely proud to be
an Old Fart!

 

[George Macdonald]

Very close. The secret is McD makes more profit that way.
They sell more coffee because more customers let it cool
and very few sue. The problem is that many more suffer
damage than sue. McD's analysis is skewed.

I'm not sure what this is doing in a bunch of hardware
groups, but I'll point out that the water cooler at my work
dispenses hot water (for tea, coffee dilution, etc) at
195 degrees Fahrenheit (yes, there is a thermometer on the
front of the unit). If you want extra hot, you push a button
and get 200 degrees.

It's not just McDonalds that believe[sd] that hot is better.

Personally I find that a top-up with cold water brings coffee from the
carafe to a temp in the cup which is fine for drinking.

I drink tea every day, too.

195F is much too cool to make decent tea. Contrary to coffee, tea requires
briskly boiling water for the infusion and as any tea-wallah will tell you,
preferably a preheated pot to prevent temp loss before the 5mins or so of
infusion.

Your opinion, unless you care to back it up with some fact.

A search at Google at any site which values coffee will turn up the desired
result on the requirements. A visit to any Euro country which serves
decent coffee will turn up the "experience" though I'm sure there are
variations by region.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[borolad]

*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``' ¸ô¶ó - Cull the O/T '``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*

Still making your ' little girlie ' posts in 86-64 - shame on you !

BoroLad