Linux Mint: great splash screen...but won't work. Sticking withWindows XP.

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Very interesting! Thank you very much. Indeed the more I look into
this problem the more I think it might be Linux not my ISP at fault.
I don't think I have PPPoE after all...I'm double checking now.

RL
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I think you looked up what NICs won't work with Linux and then made your
lying and trollish post.
 
Alias said:
I think you looked up what NICs won't work with Linux and then made your
lying and trollish post.
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Naturally.

I had a similar situation. Debian.
So we loaded Ubuntu Live CD. No Joy.

The we tried windows. That didn't work either.

Then the vendor gave me a motherboard with an Ethernet chip on it that
wasn't broken.

Its running 4 web and 3 database servers now. On Linux.
 
Any ideas why I could not access the internet? Upon reboot into
Windows, I found the net no problem as evidenced by this post.
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I told you why - you are too thick to use Linux. However...
Some speculation: perhaps my ISP, Otenet here in Athens, Greece,
requires some sort of special drivers for Linux. I did load Windows
XP with a driver on a CD that came from them initially, to configure
my SpeedTouch DSL modem, a generic and popular DSL modem. But I
thought I was told Linux LiveCd can allow you to surf right off the
CD? Why the fail then?

Any advice "appreciated". As for now, I'm sticking to Windows and
will recommend Windows to this girl that needs my help setting up her
system, which also is a Pentium IV but with 1 GB RAM.
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*Now* you tell us that it's a DSL modem. I did ask yesterday, and you
didn't respond.

Advice:-

1. Stay away from Linux - you are just too stupid to use it.

2. If you insist on continuing, I see that elsewhere you claim to have had
Puppy Linux working on the Internet, but interposing some sort of router
between computer(s) and modem?
GO BACK to that hardware setup.
Ensure that it STILL works with Puppy.
THEN try your Mint again.
 
David Brown <[email protected]> écrivait

But there are a few people left who don't understand networking,
and haven't asked others who /do/ understand, and thus they connect
directly from a PC via PPPoE, using the (usually hideous) software
provided by their ISP because windows doesn't support PPPoE by itself.
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<snip>

My previous ISP uses PPPoE, I was using a NAT router. But one time, for
debugging purpose, I bypassed the router and created a connection using the
Windows XP connections wizard tool and I could choose PPPoE, enter my
username and password, and it worked.

My new provider, Bell Canada (a major supplier) also uses PPPoE but they
supply a DSL modem-wired/wireless router all integrated in the same device.

So why do you say Windows doesn't support PPPoE?
 
I have several computers here at home, Mint has become my favorite
distro. I repaired one of my computers last night with a new ATI video
card which replaced a bad NVIDIA, instead of figuring out how to fix
Unbuntu 9.10 to delete the NVIDIA stuff and use ATI, I wiped it out and
went with Mint. For the first time on several installs I ran into the
same network connection problem as you did. I haven't had time to
research it yet but since Mint works fine out of the box on my other
machines I assume it's a driver issue with this particular MB?
Disabling and re-enabling is my current work around for this. I'll
probably look into it some more next week.

Should you find a solution please post it.

FWIW, I also have an older computer with onboard networking, Windows
XP has no driver for it on install but I don't complain about MS not
having a working default out of the box either. Rather than fool with
XP I just loaded Linux on this older 'puter. All the others are dual
booters with Vista or Win7 although I very rarely boot windows anymore.
 
RayLopez99 The win troll wrote:

[putolin]
OK, then give me a distro--from the 1000s out there (ouch!)--that does
not have a problem with this NIC? Then if I can run LiveCD from that
distro problem solved?!

RL
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[woody@GangGreene ~]$ dmesg

[putolin]

via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.2.0-2.6 June-10-2004 Written by Donald Becker
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:12.0[A] -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 209
divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1
eth1: VIA Rhine II at 0xfebff800, 00:19:21:7d:0b:87, IRQ 209.
eth1: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x786d advertising 05e1 Link cde1.

[putolin]


[woody@GangGreene ~]$ ifconfig eth1
eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:50:68:1F:E2
inet addr:192.168.1.23 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:63629 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:46200 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:77559503 (73.9 Mb) TX bytes:8081390 (7.7 Mb)
 
I think you looked up what NICs won't work with Linux and then made your
lying and trollish post.
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Nope. Sorry Alias. I really did not. It's true I do troll at COLA,
but it's pretty obvious when I do so (I call people moron, etc, and
you can tell from the tone of my post it's a troll). This time though
I'm serious.

RL
 
Naturally.

I had a similar situation. Debian.
So we loaded Ubuntu Live CD. No Joy.

The we tried windows. That didn't work either.

Then the vendor gave me a motherboard with an Ethernet chip on it that
wasn't broken.

Its running 4 web and 3 database servers now. On Linux.
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Well how do you explain that Windows does work with this NIC?

I will try again tomorrow (I have to reboot to do it, and I'm coding
now on Windows). But this does not speak well of the Mint LiveCD.

RL
 
It doesn't get any more obvious that the troll searched the Internet,
found a piece of hardware that has an issue, and then started his lame
"can I use a LiveCD to get on the Internet" troll, so that he could
later claim to have that piece of hardware.

It's trolling 101.
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Nope. You see chrisV (dear new friends: we call him "Creepy Chris" at
COLA; I call him "Piss Angstrom" when I'm trolling) you are wrong.
And the fact you are so sure I am trolling makes me laugh at how wrong
you are. In this case, I think in fact it's a driver problem on
Linux's part. Not to say it can't be fixed. Nor that Linux sucks.
It's just one of those things. I actually would be glad to get Linux
working on LiveCD because it intrigues me that you can surf the net
off a CD (even slowly). So I'll be happy to get it to work, and
actually, once I try a few things, I think I will get it to work.

But you ChrisV see conspiracies behind every tree. Typical of some of
the paranoid types that are attracted to Linux. They hate Microsoft
so bad they love Linux, but not for its merits, but because they hate
Bill Gates' company.
We knew that it was a waste of time to take the troll seriously, and
we were absolutely correct.
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Nope. Not at all. "We"? You mean "you", in your mind. You've not
helped one bit on this issue, like Martin Brown, like Oz, like the
Doctor, like that other fellow name escapes me. All you've done is
show your prejudice.

BTW my new friends reading this: ChrisV, Creepy Chris, claims he has
me killfiled for years yet he replies to my stuff (indirectly) every
time. And here's the character of the guy: about a year ago a MSDN
"MVP" (a title Microsoft gives to developers that are really skilled
and pass a test) answered one of my technical questions on C#. Somehow
the post got redirected to COLA, and what does Creepy Chris say?
Without even knowing the guy, he insulted him, right out of the blue.
He called him a name--forget now which name--for no reason at all.
The MVP was surprised as there was no reason for such an insult.
That's the kind of guy "Creepy Chris" is. Just FYI. His hate for
Microsoft knows no bounds. Apparently seeing "MVP" next to the guys
name--and he was using his real name too--set off Creepy Chris.
Of course, that doesn't stop the "why don't you help" attacks from
Wintrolling vermin like "Hadron" Quark...
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Vermin? Hadron, my new friends reading this, is actually a Linux
user! He is cynical--that's why I like reading him--but he's very
knowledgeable about Linux. Yet Creepy Chris calls him "vermin".
That's the kind of person this guy is.

RL
 
David Brown <[email protected]> écrivait


<snip>

My previous ISP uses PPPoE, I was using a NAT router. But one time, for
debugging purpose, I bypassed the router and created a connection using the  
Windows XP connections wizard tool and I could choose PPPoE, enter my
username and password, and it worked.

My new provider, Bell Canada (a major supplier) also uses PPPoE but they
supply a DSL modem-wired/wireless router all integrated in the same device.

So why do you say Windows doesn't support PPPoE?
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Very interesting, thanks. How do you know if your ISP is using
PPPoE? BTW I think David Brown was saying Linux has problems w/
LiveCD with PPPoE (You have to configure it), not that Windows does.

RL
 
Nope. Sorry Alias. I really did not. It's true I do troll at COLA,
but it's pretty obvious when I do so (I call people moron, etc, and
you can tell from the tone of my post it's a troll). This time though
I'm serious.

RL
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Nope. Sorry, Ray, but I don't believe you.
 
It was not a "hub" - a "hub" is a simply a device for connecting
multiple network points together.  They have not been in use for about a
decade, once Ethernet switches came down in price.

What you have is an Asus firewall / NAT router, which you need to be
able to connect several PC's (Windows or Linux, or XBox, Bluray player
or whatever) to your internet connection.

Try and get that working again.  It will also make your windows
connection /much/ safer.
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No, I don't think so. Here is the setup: Speedtouch DSL modem,
connected to telephone jack (with DSL filter) on one end, and to PC on
the other end. Simple. But here is what I had before: at the "other
end" I connected the Speedtouch to an Asus hub--one input and five
outputs. Then two of the five were output as follows: one went to my
PIV (running Windows XP as now) and one to a PII (running Linux
Puppy). I got Puppy to work, to connect to the net and even to post
via Linux Firefox. Then, I scraped the PII, since that experiment was
over. Now I want to see if I can, using a CD, connect to the net
using Linux Mint Live CD. But I got rid of the Asus. However, due to
the RhineII NIC card problem, perhaps (I'll see tomorrow) I will bring
back the Asus, connect it inbetween the Speedtouch and the PIV, and
see if that helps. Maybe it will? Maybe not. I'll report back.

As for safety, the Speedtouch DSL modem has a hardware firewall so I
don't think safety is a factor. The Asus hub is just a means to have
several PCs share the same DSL modem, that's all.

RL
 
  I have several computers here at home, Mint has become my favorite
distro.  I repaired one of my computers last night with a new ATI video
card which replaced a bad NVIDIA, instead of figuring out how to fix
Unbuntu 9.10 to delete the NVIDIA stuff and use ATI, I wiped it out and
went with Mint.  For the first time on several installs I ran into the
same network connection problem as you did.  I haven't had time to
research it yet but since Mint works fine out of the box on my other
machines I assume it's a driver issue with this particular MB?
Disabling and re-enabling is my current work around for this.  I'll
probably look into it some more next week.

  Should you find a solution please post it.

  FWIW, I also have an older computer with onboard networking, Windows
XP has no driver for it on install but I don't complain about MS not
having a working default out of the box either.  Rather than fool with
XP I just loaded Linux on this older 'puter.  All the others are dual
booters with Vista or Win7 although I very rarely boot windows anymore.
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Very interesting, I thank you for this post. Shows I am not alone.
And I also share your optimism: I do think I'll be able to find a
workaround, without having to install Linux on my hard drive as a dual
boot. Worse case, I'll just use it (Linux Mint LiveCD) on another PC
that has a different NIC (which is my ultimate plan anyway). Also I
never thought of the mobo being a potential problem...mine is ATI
something from 1992. I would be surprised if it's the mobo, as what
does that have to do with the NIC? But I'm not an expert in this
area.

RL
 
Dopez99 has a degree in incompetency.
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This is your second post along this line in just a few minutes. Let
it go. You're really not adding anything of value to this thread, but
that seems to be your MO in every thread. You retarded or what?

RL
 
Nope. Sorry, Ray, but I don't believe you.
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That's OK. Some doubters also did not believe me when I tried to get
Puppy Linux running on a 15 year old Pentium II (that was running
Windows 2000). It had something like 256 MB RAM and a 2 GB HD--and I
got Puppy to run, even posting from Firefox to COLA! It was pretty
amazing. It was just an experiment. And I still bashed Linux
afterwards, but what I'm saying is that I don't lie about stuff as
much as my detractors claim. When I'm trolling you know it, not like
now. Anyway sorry about any insults earlier. Bye for now...bedtime
for bonzo it's 3: 30 AM Athens time to crash...

RL
 
Alias said:
You expect a live CD to be the same as a real install? Did you download
the CD or the DVD? What type of NIC do you have? I notice you are not
asking these questions in a Mint newsgroup. Why not? I have added the
Mint newsgroup to this message where people who use Mint may have the
solution for you.

Mint will not install unless you tell it to. Why do you think it would?
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Because he's a joke.
 
David said:
You do realise you were booting from a CD, not a hard disk?
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Yes, he knows that, David... thing is, he didn't boot the LiveCD at all.
Nor will he ever.
 
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