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Heather
David W. Hodgins said:
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Heather
Duane Arnold said:I think the spammers will be smart enough to get around that.
Duane
Read lips?? (VBG)
Heather
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Heather
deck chairs while the Titanic is sinking. The spam should never get to a
folder (bulk or otherwise) where you need to "check" it.
I see why it gets there......what if it is a 'marginal call'?? I was
getting 70-100 spam emails/day. Now I am getting about 10 in that bulk
folder. So they are cutting out the obvious porn and spam and allowing some
thru. BT Internet does that in England as well. Fine by me.
Heather
folder (bulk or otherwise) where you need to "check" it.
I see why it gets there......what if it is a 'marginal call'?? I was
getting 70-100 spam emails/day. Now I am getting about 10 in that bulk
folder. So they are cutting out the obvious porn and spam and allowing some
thru. BT Internet does that in England as well. Fine by me.
Heather
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David W. Hodgins
Please delete the parts of a post that you are not responding to.
Please do not post after a signature delimiter (a line that starts with
two dashes, and a space). Newsreaders automatically delete everything
after the delimiter, when you hit reply. I had to copy/paste your response
into this message.
With Yahoo, your limit is 2GB on your primary account, 100MB on secondary
accounts.
My download rate is 5 Mbps (was 1.5Mbps last Sept.). If you weren't hit by swen,
you won't understand, that downloading 10mb of messages, every 20 minutes
(average, not peak), makes your computer pretty useless, for anything else.
I agree!
Now that rogers has switched to yahoo, I also now have the option to have
automatic server side filtering, with the option to auto delete, spam.
Last September, rogers had no server side filtering, of any kind.
While most of the larrger isps do have some form of filtering available, not
all do. For anyone whose isp didn't have filtering, mailwasher, or similar
was required, to cope with swen.
For you, mailwasher doesn't provide anything of value. For anyone whose
mail is not filtered for them, it can be indespensible.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Please do not post after a signature delimiter (a line that starts with
two dashes, and a space). Newsreaders automatically delete everything
after the delimiter, when you hit reply. I had to copy/paste your response
into this message.
With Yahoo, your limit is 2GB on your primary account, 100MB on secondary
accounts.
My download rate is 5 Mbps (was 1.5Mbps last Sept.). If you weren't hit by swen,
you won't understand, that downloading 10mb of messages, every 20 minutes
(average, not peak), makes your computer pretty useless, for anything else.
I agree!
Now that rogers has switched to yahoo, I also now have the option to have
automatic server side filtering, with the option to auto delete, spam.
Last September, rogers had no server side filtering, of any kind.
While most of the larrger isps do have some form of filtering available, not
all do. For anyone whose isp didn't have filtering, mailwasher, or similar
was required, to cope with swen.
For you, mailwasher doesn't provide anything of value. For anyone whose
mail is not filtered for them, it can be indespensible.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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David W. Hodgins
I'm glad they're adding the filter too. I just wish they would'nt spend their
notices to email accounts that they've been asked not to send stuff to.
I recently changed my primary address, and now have the dhodgin1661
address setup as a secondary. I was going to setup procs to automatically
report all email sent to that account as spam, once I'd notified everyone
I was no longer using it, due to the 150+ spam messages it gets every day.
I'm still getting all the spam, but with the [Bulk] tag added to the subject.
I won't turn on the auto delete feature, till I'm satisfied it's not flagging
any false positives.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
C
Corse
How about if I post on top so that you don't have to wade through all the
stuff below. I never undestand why people don't always top post. At any
rate, I feel like we aren't talking about the same universe. I have SBC
Global DSL. I got plenty of Svens. They download just like anything else.
As far as I know SBC Global isn't blocking much of anything and I don't use
the Yahoo server spam guard because it is useless. The only point I want to
make is that having individuals like you and me constantly trying to out wit
spam is absurd. The responsibility rests with the ISPs and believe me SBC
Global isn't doing squat. However, Mailwasher is not the solution but only
a bandaid on a leg amputation.
Corse
Please delete the parts of a post that you are not responding to.
Please do not post after a signature delimiter (a line that starts with
two dashes, and a space). Newsreaders automatically delete everything
after the delimiter, when you hit reply. I had to copy/paste your response
into this message.
With Yahoo, your limit is 2GB on your primary account, 100MB on secondary
accounts.
My download rate is 5 Mbps (was 1.5Mbps last Sept.). If you weren't hit by
swen,
you won't understand, that downloading 10mb of messages, every 20 minutes
(average, not peak), makes your computer pretty useless, for anything else.
I agree!
Now that rogers has switched to yahoo, I also now have the option to have
automatic server side filtering, with the option to auto delete, spam.
Last September, rogers had no server side filtering, of any kind.
While most of the larrger isps do have some form of filtering available, not
all do. For anyone whose isp didn't have filtering, mailwasher, or similar
was required, to cope with swen.
For you, mailwasher doesn't provide anything of value. For anyone whose
mail is not filtered for them, it can be indespensible.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
stuff below. I never undestand why people don't always top post. At any
rate, I feel like we aren't talking about the same universe. I have SBC
Global DSL. I got plenty of Svens. They download just like anything else.
As far as I know SBC Global isn't blocking much of anything and I don't use
the Yahoo server spam guard because it is useless. The only point I want to
make is that having individuals like you and me constantly trying to out wit
spam is absurd. The responsibility rests with the ISPs and believe me SBC
Global isn't doing squat. However, Mailwasher is not the solution but only
a bandaid on a leg amputation.
Corse
Please delete the parts of a post that you are not responding to.
Please do not post after a signature delimiter (a line that starts with
two dashes, and a space). Newsreaders automatically delete everything
after the delimiter, when you hit reply. I had to copy/paste your response
into this message.
With Yahoo, your limit is 2GB on your primary account, 100MB on secondary
accounts.
My download rate is 5 Mbps (was 1.5Mbps last Sept.). If you weren't hit by
swen,
you won't understand, that downloading 10mb of messages, every 20 minutes
(average, not peak), makes your computer pretty useless, for anything else.
I agree!
Now that rogers has switched to yahoo, I also now have the option to have
automatic server side filtering, with the option to auto delete, spam.
Last September, rogers had no server side filtering, of any kind.
While most of the larrger isps do have some form of filtering available, not
all do. For anyone whose isp didn't have filtering, mailwasher, or similar
was required, to cope with swen.
For you, mailwasher doesn't provide anything of value. For anyone whose
mail is not filtered for them, it can be indespensible.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Quoth the raven Corse:
the back cover and end up at the front?
chapter one or do you start somewhere near
When reading a book, do you start at
<g>
the back cover and end up at the front?
chapter one or do you start somewhere near
When reading a book, do you start at
<g>
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Heather
TIWT!! As you know, I also prefer gnitsop-pot.......we will train youBeauregard T. Shagnasty said:
olde diehards yet.....lol.
I figure if you have a couple of brain cells and are interested in the
thread, you will manage to remember what it is I am replying to....eh?
<g>
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Geez! You can't even your letters in order
To do things ass backwards? No way!
I figure anyone with a few brain cells will figure out that top
posting makes no sense at all.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
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Corse
That's exactly how I feel about bottom posting. The point, though, is that
nine time out of ten I don't need to look at the post that someone is
responding to to understand the context of the responding post. And if I do
want to look at the prior post, when I top post I can simply scroll down and
look at it. This business of constantly having to scroll down to get to the
new post is a bloody waste of time. I run a very active message board in a
Yahoo group and everybody top posts.
Corse.
P.S. I was at jury duty the other day and there was a very pleasant looking
lady reading a book in Chinese (could have been some other oriental
language). She was reading the book from 'the back' to 'the front' and
from left to right. Didn't seem to be confusing her at all.
Quoth the raven Corse:
the back cover and end up at the front?
chapter one or do you start somewhere near
When reading a book, do you start at
<g>
nine time out of ten I don't need to look at the post that someone is
responding to to understand the context of the responding post. And if I do
want to look at the prior post, when I top post I can simply scroll down and
look at it. This business of constantly having to scroll down to get to the
new post is a bloody waste of time. I run a very active message board in a
Yahoo group and everybody top posts.
Corse.
P.S. I was at jury duty the other day and there was a very pleasant looking
lady reading a book in Chinese (could have been some other oriental
language). She was reading the book from 'the back' to 'the front' and
from left to right. Didn't seem to be confusing her at all.
Quoth the raven Corse:
the back cover and end up at the front?
chapter one or do you start somewhere near
When reading a book, do you start at
<g>
W
Why so many stars for so few four-leaf clovers?
Test it and let us know....
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Buffalo
Corse said:
I agree. 90% of the time, when I follow a thread, it is SO much easier if
the replies are top-posted.
Perhaps other newsreaders display differently, but with OE, it is the way I
prefer.
Question, if you use a different newsreader, how does it display differently
than OE?
OE displays the top of the post, do other newsreaders automatically show the
bottom if the reply is bottom posted?
Why would anyone generally want to have to scroll through all that extra
stuff when following a long thread, to be able to read the reply?
Curious, but still
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Quoth the raven Buffalo:
I read somewhere (can't find link at the moment) where it was stated
that top-posting began when Outlook Express decided it wanted to be a
newsreader. The default location of the insertion point was at the top
and folks didn't know they could/should press the PageDown key.
Lack of trimming compounds the problem. TOFU was born.
Text Oben Fullquote Unten (German)
Text Over, Fullquote Under
If you top-post to a message from several days ago, people will still
need to scroll down to see what you are replying to, then scroll back
up to read your response, because they will likely have forgotten the
original points, or need to refresh their memory. Especially for
someone who reads hundreds of posts every day.
And of course, *inline posting* with proper trimming is the most
desirable method.
BTW, please set your newsreader to a line length around 70 characters.
This free program may help with your application:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
(http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tools/#oequotefix)
More links:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_stv0.htm
http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?Top-posting_or_bottom-posting
http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/top-posting.html
http://www.lionsgrove.com/topposting.html
I agree. 90% of the time, when I follow a thread, it is SO much easier if
the replies are top-posted.
Perhaps other newsreaders display differently, but with OE, it is the way I
prefer.
Question, if you use a different newsreader, how does it display differently
than OE?
OE displays the top of the post, do other newsreaders automatically show the
bottom if the reply is bottom posted?
Why would anyone generally want to have to scroll through all that extra
stuff when following a long thread, to be able to read the reply?
Curious, but still
I read somewhere (can't find link at the moment) where it was stated
that top-posting began when Outlook Express decided it wanted to be a
newsreader. The default location of the insertion point was at the top
and folks didn't know they could/should press the PageDown key.
Lack of trimming compounds the problem. TOFU was born.
Text Oben Fullquote Unten (German)
Text Over, Fullquote Under
If you top-post to a message from several days ago, people will still
need to scroll down to see what you are replying to, then scroll back
up to read your response, because they will likely have forgotten the
original points, or need to refresh their memory. Especially for
someone who reads hundreds of posts every day.
And of course, *inline posting* with proper trimming is the most
desirable method.
BTW, please set your newsreader to a line length around 70 characters.
This free program may help with your application:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
(http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tools/#oequotefix)
More links:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_stv0.htm
http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?Top-posting_or_bottom-posting
http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/top-posting.html
http://www.lionsgrove.com/topposting.html
C
Corse
Wrong again. If everyone top posted then you have a nice progression of
messages from bottom to top. If someone seriously wanted to read the oldest
message they can go to the bottom and work up. However, since most people
don't want to do that but are looking for the most recent reply, top posting
is by far the more preferable method.
Corse
I read somewhere (can't find link at the moment) where it was stated
that top-posting began when Outlook Express decided it wanted to be a
newsreader. The default location of the insertion point was at the top
and folks didn't know they could/should press the PageDown key.
Lack of trimming compounds the problem. TOFU was born.
Text Oben Fullquote Unten (German)
Text Over, Fullquote Under
If you top-post to a message from several days ago, people will still
need to scroll down to see what you are replying to, then scroll back
up to read your response, because they will likely have forgotten the
original points, or need to refresh their memory. Especially for
someone who reads hundreds of posts every day.
And of course, *inline posting* with proper trimming is the most
desirable method.
messages from bottom to top. If someone seriously wanted to read the oldest
message they can go to the bottom and work up. However, since most people
don't want to do that but are looking for the most recent reply, top posting
is by far the more preferable method.
Corse
I read somewhere (can't find link at the moment) where it was stated
that top-posting began when Outlook Express decided it wanted to be a
newsreader. The default location of the insertion point was at the top
and folks didn't know they could/should press the PageDown key.
Lack of trimming compounds the problem. TOFU was born.
Text Oben Fullquote Unten (German)
Text Over, Fullquote Under
If you top-post to a message from several days ago, people will still
need to scroll down to see what you are replying to, then scroll back
up to read your response, because they will likely have forgotten the
original points, or need to refresh their memory. Especially for
someone who reads hundreds of posts every day.
And of course, *inline posting* with proper trimming is the most
desirable method.
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Quoth the raven Corse:
So, you're a TOFU advocate, then? Bandwidth waster?
The problem with TOFU that you don't understand, is after a few
replies, it becomes nigh onto impossible to determine just which point
of the previous posts you are replying to.
So... if the previous post didn't propagate to their news servers yet,
you expect them to scroll multiple times to read your posts?
Not in any of the groups I read. If you frequent groups where it's
mostly just chatting, well, maybe ok. If you top-post in most of the
technical groups, you will be reminded that it is very difficult to
follow a technical conversation when you top-post.
I'm sure that, if you reply, you will lump everything into one large
blast at the top, rather than addressing each point separately.
So, you're a TOFU advocate, then? Bandwidth waster?
The problem with TOFU that you don't understand, is after a few
replies, it becomes nigh onto impossible to determine just which point
of the previous posts you are replying to.
So... if the previous post didn't propagate to their news servers yet,
you expect them to scroll multiple times to read your posts?
Not in any of the groups I read. If you frequent groups where it's
mostly just chatting, well, maybe ok. If you top-post in most of the
technical groups, you will be reminded that it is very difficult to
follow a technical conversation when you top-post.
I'm sure that, if you reply, you will lump everything into one large
blast at the top, rather than addressing each point separately.
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Heather
Wrong, pussycat!! In the Microsoft ng's, we all top post.....and have thisBeauregard T. Shagnasty said:
amazing ability to remember what the post is all about. (G) I find it way
more efficient than scrolling down 400 lines to see....*I agree*, or minimal
words to that effect.
And on my genealogy Lists, it is a mixture, but mostly top posting.
And I will add......NONE of these are *chat groups*......MS being technical
and genealogy is history and research, etc. And no one bitches if we top
post.....bitching seems to be reserved for these AV groups (just
kidding......no knotted knickers, OK??)
Cheers....Figgs
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Ahhh... I'm a pussycat!
Microsoft newsserver groups tend to have mostly posters who use
Outlook Express, that's why. ;-)
People who don't snip 400 lines and then post
<aol>ME TOO!!!!!!!!11!!</aol>
have other problems.
And it's not just these a-v groups (where you will notice that the
more experienced posters all bottom/inline post). I frequent a lot of
web developer groups, and everyone does bottom/inline, with proper
trimming, except for newbies who are generally always reminded to
follow the convention of the group.
I also read a number of motorcycling groups, and even the bikers
bottom-post. See rec.motorcycles for an example.
You've been around here for awhile, but Corse just showed up and now
wants to set the standard for the group? Amusing...
(Gawd, it was hard to write up here... just for fun, of course. I had
to keep scrolling down to read your points, then scroll back up to
type a reply to each. Inline posting is certainly easier in that respect.)
Quoth the raven Heather:
Microsoft newsserver groups tend to have mostly posters who use
Outlook Express, that's why. ;-)
People who don't snip 400 lines and then post
<aol>ME TOO!!!!!!!!11!!</aol>
have other problems.
And it's not just these a-v groups (where you will notice that the
more experienced posters all bottom/inline post). I frequent a lot of
web developer groups, and everyone does bottom/inline, with proper
trimming, except for newbies who are generally always reminded to
follow the convention of the group.
I also read a number of motorcycling groups, and even the bikers
bottom-post. See rec.motorcycles for an example.
You've been around here for awhile, but Corse just showed up and now
wants to set the standard for the group? Amusing...
(Gawd, it was hard to write up here... just for fun, of course. I had
to keep scrolling down to read your points, then scroll back up to
type a reply to each. Inline posting is certainly easier in that respect.)
Quoth the raven Heather:
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Peter Seiler
Heather - 14.07.2004 19:32 :
most topposters (and many "afterposter" too) forget the main thing:
snipping unnecessary quoting lines - quoting 400 lines only saying
"thanks" for example! That's a terrible behavior because of threads
becoming more and more unreadable and waisting bandwidth and and and...
most topposters (and many "afterposter" too) forget the main thing:
snipping unnecessary quoting lines - quoting 400 lines only saying
"thanks" for example! That's a terrible behavior because of threads
becoming more and more unreadable and waisting bandwidth and and and...