Irreconcilable Differences

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»Q« said:
These threads have saddened me, and the conclusion they have led me to
is painful. I think it would be best for the PL if you simply quit
doing all you have been.
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This is my resignation.

The databases belong to the active participants in ACF. Whoever takes
over - please contact me.

Susan
 
Slander is spoken. Libel is written.
Looks to me like you're the witless one (adding "buffoon" is an
unnecessary redundancy).
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Fine. If you wish to be known as a libellous liar rather than a
slanderous one I'm perfectly happy with that. I note that you didn't
deal with the substantive issue, which is that you maliciously
insulted Genna without a shred of evidence.
 
This is my resignation.

The databases belong to the active participants in ACF. Whoever takes
over - please contact me.

Susan
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It's your decision Susan, and I am saddenned by your choice. It seemed to
me that many more wanted you to stay and only a few had "Q's" opinion. I'm
certainly one that does NOT agree with Q's post above.
 
John Fitzsimons <[email protected]> wrote:
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This thread will only end when you delete Susan's files. The sooner
you do that the better. She said she wants to move so she cannot
complain if you do that.
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Keeping them makes you look like a control freak as well. Is that how
you want people perceiving you ?
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The files were created for ACF with the help of people who read the
group and discuss programs. I saw Susan's resignation and I really,
really hate that. This is a huge loss.

What you are asking for John is pretty much taking the PL site down,
as most of what is there currently was done by Susan.

I don't think that this is in anyone's best interest. Susan has
offered to assist whoever is going to assume her role in getting up to
speed with the current pages and I know that she will.

I suppose that I began reading this group about the time Susan began
taking care of the tedious work of maintaining the PL site. I can't
forget how well it functioned and how professionally she interacted
with me on occasion. This is the only PL that I've known. I would like
to thank Susan for her hard work and the obvious long hours that she
put into each task. A vacation is long overdue, but this isn't what I
had in mind.

With the resignation the thread is moot now.

Someone has some mighty large shoes to fill though.
 
Badger said:
Why is there so much breast-beating about where Pricelessware is hosted?
While it is certainly a good source of freeware it's only one of dozens of
freeware sites I have bookmarked and not the one I go to first as a matter
of course.
That said, is it really important where it ends up?
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Badger,
The Pricelessware site is not just any freeware site. It's a list
of what the regulars in this group, all of whom are passionate about
freeware, have voted are the best freeware programs in each category.
I.e., the chaff has already been sifted from the wheat.
 
Carolyn said:
I work with all men every day and I have found that men and women have a
different way of dealing with this type of a situation. If that is sexist,
then so be it.
Men can argue all day long and then go out drinking together that night as
best buddies. Women seem take things more to heart and don't handle
conflicts in the same way as men do. There is a different perspective here,
guys.
Just my opinion.
Carolyn
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Classic sexism: "sexism is wrong unless it serves my purposes or
unless I'm doing it."
 
Classic sexism: "sexism is wrong unless it serves my purposes or
unless I'm doing it."
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John, that's not sexism. To acknowledge there are general emotional
differences between men and women is just observation. A sexist would
denigrate one or the other *because* of those differences. Seeing them
as valid in order to functionally interact with one or the other is
both appropriate and necessary. Stereotypes happen because they tend
to reflect reality. The problems arise when people make judgments
about others based on the stereotypes *alone.*
 
The files were created for ACF with the help of people who read the
group and discuss programs. I saw Susan's resignation and I really,
really hate that. This is a huge loss.

What you are asking for John is pretty much taking the PL site down,
as most of what is there currently was done by Susan.

I don't think that this is in anyone's best interest. Susan has
offered to assist whoever is going to assume her role in getting up to
speed with the current pages and I know that she will.

I suppose that I began reading this group about the time Susan began
taking care of the tedious work of maintaining the PL site. I can't
forget how well it functioned and how professionally she interacted
with me on occasion. This is the only PL that I've known. I would like
to thank Susan for her hard work and the obvious long hours that she
put into each task. A vacation is long overdue, but this isn't what I
had in mind.

With the resignation the thread is moot now.

Someone has some mighty large shoes to fill though.
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I agree with this completely. It is unfortunate that few members of
the group read my earlier post and considered its content. Instead,
they insisted in taking sides in an argument of which they knew
little if any of the facts.

I have been a reader and contributor to acf (albeit in a very small
way) for about 5 years. This is the worst situation which I have seen
arise in the group, and I have to say that the fault lies squarely at
the feet of the contributors of this thread who wanted to take sides
and not deal with the real issue. I too will be sad to see a good
webmaster go, especially one who has done such good work for the PL as
Susan. I am also not too happy about the treatment to which Genna has
been subjected by some contributors. I hope it is not too late for
they parties in question to reconsider and perhaps to take up Henks'
offer of mediation. I know that both Genna and Susan have a gunuine
interest in seeing the PL continue. I would urge both of you to write
to Henk.


Fanman_UK

To reply by email remove the "fanman"
 
Phred said:
That's self-serving and inaccurate.
You KNOW that you do not always discuss things in the newsgroup.
You KNOW that you don't give the members of the newsgroup all of the
information.
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Oh dear! And people are trying to convince us all that if we only let
women have more say in running the world, all would be sweetness and
light. ;-)
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They do have all the say (non-stop), but that's as far as their
contribution is allowed to go. ;-)
 
What is sad is your conclusion to tell Susan to quit.
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I did not tell Susan to quit, and I would not presume to do so. I
gave my opinion about what I thought would be best. I honestly did
not expect her to quit.
 
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I hope it is not too late for
they parties in question to reconsider and perhaps to take up Henks'
offer of mediation. I know that both Genna and Susan have a gunuine
interest in seeing the PL continue. I would urge both of you to write
to Henk.
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CONCUR! This FREEforallisWEARingusdown!

With great respect and much regard for all who feel passionately for this
great NG and is work.
 
REM said:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:36:06 -0400, Cruising Chrissy

nothing of any importance...

Curousity got the best of me. I just had to google to see who this
person mucking about in a serious conversation is. It doesn't take
more than the first page of results or so to see that but another
unsupervised child was left home alone.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q="Cruising+Chrissy"&btnG=Search
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Nothing less than big brother in a group thats supposed to be open /
anonymous, hence un-moderated. :o)


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I did not tell Susan to quit, and I would not presume to do so. I
gave my opinion about what I thought would be best. I honestly did
not expect her to quit.
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Perhaps it was more an unkind cut than you intended.

Susan worked as a volunteer and considered the site of ACF, by ACF,
and for ACF. This is the reason it was addressed here.

She was relying specifically upon you and a few others to give a vote
of confidence based on her past efforts, without going into any
specifics about exactly what the problems were. She was let down, to
say the least, and said that she could not continue in disagreement,
with those who come here that she holds in high respect. I received
the parting email this morning.

This apparently was a mistake, in reading some of the opposing
comments. It seems a great many people have no idea of exactly how
dedicated she was in this position, or just how much work she
accomplished. ie: the comment to delete her work -> [the whole site]
to extract vengence, without regard to the fact her work _is_ the
current site. Short of working knowledge or appreciation for her
efforts phrases like drama queen emerged from many.

Maybe I just followed her actions more closely than others. She
scanned the group many times daily, identifying anything on PL that
needed changing/updating and made the changes in almost real time. I'm
surprised that her work was taken in such a for granted fashion. She
was pro-active in keeping all information on the site correct and up
to date daily.

As to the exacts, I know no more than has been said here. I can see
how she might get miffed if someone not active in ACF and who hasn't
responded to email in months came in and started messing with what she
had meticulously put together. She had group approval for everything
she did. I know there was a question as to whether the ACF CD was
"commercialized" and a page about a dishonest author (informally voted
for) was called into question. Second guessing, apparently with tones
of physical control of the site, did not go over very well. The out of
the blue change, or changes, was too much. All that she really wanted
was a vote of confidence from those she respected and a free hand to
keep her work in top order, answering _only_ to the group ACF. This
was not possible with the current deal, as Geena pays for it. This is
why she wanted a group vote to move to another host.


The question is, now... what is best for PL?

Is PL still an active ACF project?

Is anyone remotely interested in taking her place?

I nominate John Fitzsimons if there are no takers. You really must
come to understand that of which you gripe John. Let's delete the old
site and let John bring everything back up to speed for educational
purposes.
 
Nothing less than big brother in a group thats supposed to be open /
anonymous, hence un-moderated. :o)
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Huh? Google Groups? Or my pointing out an accomplished troll (check
the link, Luke) that has just discovered this group?

The group is very open, you posted didn't you? Me too.

Anonymous? Where in the heck did you get this? I need some scriptures
here brother. We can logon with a real name just as well as with a
nym. Or, are you holding that a Google search violates a trolls right
to privacy??? I have no clue where your post is coming from.

Unmoderated? Of course it is. So I posted a link to trollery that
might well affect the readers of ACF. A moderator might well have
approved the post had this been a moderated group. I placed the OT
marker because this was not specifically about freeware. You removed
it. Why?

I must say that I have a difficult time following your logic. You also
rifled the PL thread. First you offer a site, then you jump on the
fence, then you offer two people who do not wish it a "chat." Then you
side with staying. Then you make several posts stating the thread is
useless... End of Thread. Then.. you... Start Another Thread!, again
pushing "chat" at "your" site.

Is there a pattern here that I haven't discovered?
 
REM said:
Perhaps it was more an unkind cut than you intended.

Susan worked as a volunteer and considered the site of ACF, by ACF,
and for ACF. This is the reason it was addressed here.
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I don't have a problem with Genna, Susan or the PL website or the
contributions they've made, just the fact that neither party seems to have
been totally honest to acf about what caused the rift; its all she said she
said.
 
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