Burt said:
NO. All businesses have safety standards. The standards for beverage
temperatures are published and available for you to look up. All well run
businesses have the need to properly direct and train their employees.
Individuals and businesses ultimately should take responsibility for
overlooking safety standards that subsequently cause injury. When they
don't they are subject to litigation. Successful litigation requires
retaining a lawyer. Lawyers, like all others in the workplace, do their
work to earn a living. Some do it better than others and some are less
honest than others, just like in every other human endeavor. What part of
this don't you understand?
Most of that is just platitudes without substance,
e.g. lawyers do their work to earn a living. What
the hell is that suppose to mean. And what does
it have to do with "being wrong on all counts" or
any of the rest.
OK, George, when I said "immediately" I should have said "a few seconds."
By the time you would get out of the car and try to remove your clothing you
would have already sustained these severe burns. We're not talking about
flaming napalm or clothing that is on fire, which would continue to create
more damage. Unfortunately, George, I've had experience with all of these
types of injuries. I'm one of those "professionals" in whom you have little
trust.
The time period is short and I understand that the
woman had some difficulties in getting in and out
of a car. So she should have been extra careful
in handling any hot liquid.
Aha. I see where you got pissed, I denigrated
some "professionals." I think you missed the
adjective "supposed." So, you think professional
advice is always good, always correct, always the
best? In fact what I was think of was the advice
for treatment of burns. First they said don't use
cold water (worried about infection) and they
still say don't use ice or at least don't put it
directly against the skin. That's wrong. If you
burn (minor burn) your fingers and put ice against
the spot, chances are you won't know you were
burned in 2 days, don't use ice or don't put in
direct contact and chances are it will take
several days to heal. If I get burned badly, to
hell with infection and shock worries, I want
someone dunking me immediately in the coldest
liquid they can find.
Try a test with ice. Get a Bunsen burner (or a
propane torch) and put a nice round end on a glass
stirring rod. Lay it down and put a nice round
end on a second rod. Then pick the second rod by
mistake by the end that is hot. Run over to the
frig and put an ice cube on your fingers and keep
it there for at least 20 minutes. (Forget the crap
about freeze damage--it won't happen.) Your
fingers won't hurt and will be healed in 2 days,
but miss a finger against the ice and it will take
a week to heal.
Difficult to discuss the issue with someone like you who knows better than
"the professionals". I guess that, according to your conclusions, education
and experience doesn't count for as much as your gut feeling and cynical
analysis. According to your opinion of "professionals," If I break my arm,
need my appendix removed, or find that I have cancer, I should bypass all of
my physicians and come to Geo. Cawthorn for expert diagnosis and
treatment!!!!
Don't know where you get all this. The fact is
I'm a skeptic and not of just professional; you
just don't like skeptics or negative comments
about professionals. The kill ratio of doctors
and nurses in hospitals is a fact and it is
appalling. As for lawyers and the judicial
system, just look at the polls. Fine detail seems
not to be your forte since you can seem to spell
my namer correctly. Probably can pronounce forte
correctly either.
Yes, she did spill the drink on herself, but there is the reasonable
expectation that a restaurant will not serve a beverage that can produce
third degree burns. The restaurant was absolutely negligent in dispensing a
beverage that was at a temperature known to scald and produce third degree
burns if spilled on skin. You don't need to consult a medical professional
to learn what temperature will produce damage of the type this woman
sustained. Any plumber knows at what level he/she should set your water
heater to avoid burns if you inadvertantly step into the shower and the hot
water is on with no cold water flowing as well. Check out the nearest
plumbing supply store. Or don't you trust those "professionals" either.
Good point about stepping into a shower. If you
are so stupid as to step into a shower without
testing it with your hand first, good luck 'cause
you are going to need it. But instead you will
probably try to sue the plumber or the water
heater manufacturer if you are injured, which may
not be burn related. Of course you shouldn't need
to relay on the plumber to set you hot water temp
anymore than relying on the gas attendant to tell
you the speed limit.
BTW, those plumbing supply store people are mostly
salesmen not professionals. Some may be retired
plumbers who are also not "professionals," they
are tradesmen. Professionals mean people that
practice a profession and yes I was one of those.
Of course nowadays, people like to call every
job a profession, but that just demonstrates
ignorance.
???? You trust whomever you wish with your medical care and legal issues.
I'll stay with the lawyers and physicians whom I know personally and whose
skill and integrity I trust. As they say, different strokes for different
folks. George, it is apparent that you have little faith or trust in
professionals. Hope you never need them. We'll just have to disagree and
move on to more important issues --- like printers and ink. Almost forgot
why we participate in this newsgroup.
Hey that great that you have medical and legal
people you trust. So do I. Maybe you should get
over the "professional obsession" which you have
made into a mountain from one simple comment by me.
