eyebrow goes up: Perhaps MicroFox was right all along!

[Mike]

Mike,
"Fortunately, for all of us."

?????

I really hope you're making a statement about the term,
and not the present resident in the White House,
hmm,

Both, actually.

That's why we have elections every 4 years. When a President is truly
unpopular, he gets voted out. Think Ford, Carter, Bush 41.

Removing someone from office because he is "unpopular" would set a very
dangerous precedent. Not to mention illegal.

Whether or not you or I or anyone else "likes" him now is irrelevent. He
was elected, therefore he should serve his term until/unless he breaks laws.
That applies to any resident of the White House - past, present and future.

FWIW, personally I really don't give a crap. I haven't voted in 20 years
and don't plan on ever voting again.

Mike

 

[Jeff]

i agree about the office Mike-no argument there

Jeff

 

[David Wright]

Whether or not you or I or anyone else "likes" him now is irrelevent. He
was elected, therefore he should serve his term until/unless he breaks
laws. That applies to any resident of the White House - past, present and
future.

This I strongly disagree with, it is the DUTY of every American to
continuously question their government. If a President is disliked because
he is not serving in the best interest of the American ppl, then he/she (<-
just so I don't look sexist (^: ) needs to be replaced. It is moronic to
allow a president that is obviously destroying the strength and popularity
of this country to remain in power.

btw, Bush broke the law by starting an illegal war.

FWIW, personally I really don't give a crap. I haven't voted in 20 years
and don't plan on ever voting again.

That is your choice, I am not going to try to persuade you to change your
mind, but that sort of mentality is what most Americans are going towards,
and it is what helped Bush to get in office in the first place. Please
vote, especially if Jeb or Hillary run, this country is in enough trouble as
is. :^)

 

[Lang Murphy]

And Linux will go nowhere in the big picture. So... 15,000 government seats
are using it in some European country... OK, fine, make it 100,000 seats or
250,000 seats. US DOD alone uses more Windows licenses than that...

And don't misconstrue my comment; I'm not knocking Linux, per se, but anyone
that thinks Linux is going to gain on the regular user's desktop doesn't
know "regular users." Just my humble opinion, that. Think Vista is hard to
comprehend? Hahahahaha! Yeah, throw Linux at them; that is so much easier to
comprehend. NOT!

And so... MS is trying to fight piracy. Ooooo... bad, bad, Microsoft. I
mean, c'mon, really... If any one of us in here invented the, hmm... , I
don't know... the "Clap Yer Hands to turn on the lights" thing, would we not
want to protect our product?

I do, however, agree that Vista pricing is too dear. I don't have plans to
buy the OS stand alone. I'll wait until I buy a new PC and get it on that...
my other PC's will live with XP. Well, maybe I'll do one of my PC's (the
one -I- use... LOL), my wife can stick with XP... she's not concerned
whatsoever with which OS is running on the box she uses. But, 300-400 bucks
for an OS is going to provoke one of those "gee, what can I get for that
kind of money?" debates with myself. Believe me, I like Vista, but, dude,
that's alot of cash.

Lang

 

[Lang Murphy]

Maybe that's because... it's a geek OS? "Hey, Mom, I got this SuSE 10.x
CD... here, try installing it." LOL! Oh, yeah, fer sure.

Lang

 

[Lang Murphy]

Yes, the Linux learning curve is steeper than most Linux fans will admit.
And why is that? Because most Linux fans are geeks (AKA techies). It is not,
IMHO, an OS "for the people." The people, of course, being my wife, my dad,
my daughter, my manager, etc. I've been in IT since 1989. Still using
Windows after a number of forays into Linux.

Lang

 

[Alias]

Unlike the Socialist governments of Europe, it takes more than
"unpopularity" to remove a President. You can't just have a "no
confidence" vote and force him to resign.

Popularity isn't a factor in Europe either.

You see, we have actual laws here. Until the President breaks a law,
there are no grounds for removal. Since he has broken no laws, he will
serve out his term.

Torture

Jailing people without charges or legal recourse.

Illegal wiretapping of US citizens

Incompetence

Illegal war in Iraq

More incompetence

Patriot Act

Do you really want a president that can't speak English properly and who
thinks he speaks to God directly?

Fortunately, for all of us.

Mike

There's nothing fortunate about having Bush in the US Presidency for
*any* of us.

Alias

 

[Alias]

The question isn't "Gonna vote for Jeb?", more like "Are the voting
machines gonna vote for Jeb?" ;^)

So true.

Alias

 

[Alias]

So in other words, you have no numbers. I already knew that, I just
wanted to prove it.

Reliable statistics on Linux are not only possible, but readily
available. That you don't believe them is understandable, since they
prove you wrong.

Want some more? How about Google?

http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/zeitgeist-jun04.html

Yes, it's 2.5 years old, but this is the last month that Google
published these figures. Notice how they match up almost perfectly
with these:

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2006/November/os.php

Windows around 85%, Mac around 4% and growing, Linux around 1% and flat.
They can't *all* be wrong, can they?

Face it, Linux went nowhere on the desktop.

Mike

Yawn.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Maybe that's because... it's a geek OS? "Hey, Mom, I got this SuSE 10.x
CD... here, try installing it." LOL! Oh, yeah, fer sure.

Lang

My installation experience with Ubuntu:

Wipe drive.

Set Bios to boot CD first.

Insert CD

Exist and save BIOS.

Watch.

Put in user name and password.

Done.

It recognized all hardware and works just fine on a computer that runs
XP decently but will never, ever, be Vista capable. It's an old AMD 800
Mhz with 512 PC-133 RAM. XP was much more difficult to install because
it didn't have the drivers for the video card. Ubuntu did.

Alias

 

[Alias]

When you enable "Show Media Information" on the play list while in the
Now Playing view, it shows a small album art icon for the CD you're
listening to and offers to sell you that CD. This is in WMP 10 on my
wife's PC right now. It is not on WMP 10 on my laptop. I can't find
how to turn it on but it is there. On my wife's pc, if I right-click in
that media information area, it has the option to turn it off. WMP 11
does not have that option.

So, if you're not seeing it in your WMP 10, it's only because it's not
turned on. Unfortunately, for the sake of my argument, I can't tell you
how to do it.

Dale

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought it was a pop up. Yeah, I have that.
Yesterday a pop up did appear telling me that there is an update to 11.
I moved my library to Winamp.

Alias

 

[Mike]

My installation experience with Ubuntu:

Wipe drive.

Set Bios to boot CD first.

You are already *way* above most user's skill level. That's why the vast
majority of users don't install OSes. They buy a computer with the OS
already installed.

Mike

 

[Mike]

Torture

Who has Bush tortured? Be specific.

Jailing people without charges or legal recourse.

Who? Be specific.

Illegal wiretapping of US citizens

Who? Be specific.

Incompetence

Only your opinion, and not illegal anyway.

Illegal war in Iraq

Congress authorized it. It's perfectly legal.

More incompetence

More opinion.

Patriot Act

Good law.

Do you really want a president that can't speak English properly and who
thinks he speaks to God directly?

The ability to give a good speech has nothing to do with leadership ability.
Two entirely different skill sets.

I'd rather have a President who prays regularly than a liberal/socialist who
denies God's existence

Mike

 

[Mike]

This I strongly disagree with, it is the DUTY of every American to
continuously question their government. If a President is disliked
because he is not serving in the best interest of the American ppl, then
he/she (<- just so I don't look sexist (^: ) needs to be replaced. It is
moronic to allow a president that is obviously destroying the strength and
popularity of this country to remain in power.

Only if he is breaking laws. You can't remove a President because you
don't agree with his policies.

Sorry, that's just the way it is.

btw, Bush broke the law by starting an illegal war.

Then Congress broke the law also, since they (1) saw the same intelligence
reports that Bush saw and, based on that, (2) authorized the war. That
the intelligence reports turned out to be wrong doesn't change the fact that
Congress approved the war.

Therefore, no laws have been broken. Bad intelligence is not illegal.

Mike

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Where is you reading comprehension and common sense? How can I have any
numbers if "Reliable statistics on Linux are impossible"? The
Counter.com is laughable at best. Anyone can put up a little chart of
who visited their lame web site.

The times, they are a changing, though. In Europe the unholy alliance
between Packard Smell, HP, et al and Microsoft is being broken up
because people are demanding -- and getting -- computers without an OS
and there are plenty of very successful local computer chains doing just
that. I know of one that started with five techs and a badly lit store
front back in 97. Now they have hundreds of franchises all over Spain.
You can buy a computer with Windows, Linux or no OS at all.

Then again, cell phones are more popular here in Europe

Makes sense, most cell phones run on some form of embedded linux.

because when
someone calls you on a cell phone, you don't pay one dime, the caller
pays for making a call, not the receiver, of all things. In the USA they
con you with minutes and all kinds of crap for a cell phone and the
yuppie Americans eat it up and talk to their friends while they pick up
a computer with HastaLaVista on it and sip on their over priced
Starbucks latte.

Alias

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

"Price is actually no factor in piracy..." spoken by
Mike Brannigan

"But I'm not insulting people. I'm insulting Linux Loonies..."
spoken by Mike <[email protected]>

"No, I'm not sure. I was just making fun of Chad's typo."
spoken by Mike <[email protected]>

More great quotes here:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

 

[Nina DiBoy]

This is rather political for a Vista newsgroup, however I wanted to
reply to this. It seems strange that Clinton got booted for a "sex"
scandal,

Clinton never got "booted", hi finished his term.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

"Price is actually no factor in piracy..." spoken by
Mike Brannigan

"But I'm not insulting people. I'm insulting Linux Loonies..."
spoken by Mike <[email protected]>

"No, I'm not sure. I was just making fun of Chad's typo."
spoken by Mike <[email protected]>

More great quotes here:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

 

[Gonzo]

Only if he is breaking laws. You can't remove a President because you
don't agree with his policies.

Sorry, that's just the way it is.


Then Congress broke the law also, since they (1) saw the same intelligence
reports that Bush saw and, based on that, (2) authorized the war. That
the intelligence reports turned out to be wrong doesn't change the fact
that Congress approved the war.

Therefore, no laws have been broken. Bad intelligence is not illegal.

Mike

Holly shit Mike!

Don't confuse the boy with facts. His liberal Utopia will come crashing in
on him LOL.

 

[Alias]

Only if he is breaking laws. You can't remove a President because you
don't agree with his policies.

Sorry, that's just the way it is.


Then Congress broke the law also, since they (1) saw the same
intelligence reports that Bush saw and, based on that, (2) authorized
the war. That the intelligence reports turned out to be wrong doesn't
change the fact that Congress approved the war.

Therefore, no laws have been broken. Bad intelligence is not illegal.

Mike

Unauthorized wire taps are illegal. Stripping Americans of the rights is
illegal. Torture is illegal. Starting a war that made the price of oil
rise to the point where Hugo Chavez can buy the best military goods
money can buy, if not illegal, should be.

Alias

 

[Tom Lake]

Then Congress broke the law also, since they (1) saw the same

By definition Congress, as a body, CANNOT break the laws since
they're the ones who MAKE the laws. Whatever they approve IS the law.

Of course, individual Congressmen/women can and do break the law
from time to time.

Tom Lake

 

[Alias]

Who has Bush tortured? Be specific.

You're kidding, right? Abu Ghraib ring a bell?

Who? Be specific.

You're kidding, right? Gitmo ring a bell? Do the secret prisons ring a bell?

Who? Be specific.

You're kidding, right? Do you even watch the evening news?

Only your opinion, and not illegal anyway.

LOL! You're kidding, right?

Congress authorized it. It's perfectly legal.

They authorized it based on false intel that Bush gave them. Of course,
with a right wing Christian wacko Republican controlled congress, what
would you expect?

More opinion.

Yep, and a correct opinion at that.

Good law.

Until you get thrown in a secret prison somewhere in Romania and maybe
then you'd understand.

The ability to give a good speech has nothing to do with leadership
ability. Two entirely different skill sets.

It's very embarrassing overseas to have a president who has problems
forming complete sentences and says things like "You done real good".

I'd rather have a President who prays regularly than a liberal/socialist
who denies God's existence

Mike

Hate to break the news to you but god, Santa and the tooth fairy don't
exist except in the imaginations of superstitious fools. Claiming that
one speaks directly to a god usually means you're nuts.

Alias