Da Vote: Move the Pricelessware site

[Roger Johansson]

I haven't seen any situation so far where, when all parties
really want to do this,

In this case all parties do NOT want to do this.
That has been quite clear for several days now.

 

[Corncrake]

Henk has not shown any qualities which would make him suitable as a
mediator, except for his own conviction that he would be suitable.
On the contrary, he does not even trust Susan (and us) to be intelligent
enough to make provisions for somebody else to take over if she suddenly
disappears.

dear g*d, now we are going to need a mediator to mediate amongst the
mediators mediating the webmistreses

it's neverending
I'm taking a sabatical,,,,
see yall somewhen

 

[John Corliss]

I vote that the content be moved to another doamin.

Vic, just curious. Do you have any suggestions for another name?

 

[John Corliss]

Yep...sometimes that's the only way out. So I'm making a change.
Adios, amigos.

Cummon now Tiger, don't get your tit in a ringer. 80)>

Stick around. You're a valuable member of this group. If you want to
exit the thread, I can understand that. But no reason to leave the group.

 

[Vic Dura]

Vic, just curious. Do you have any suggestions for another name?

Would PricelessWare.net be available? Something like that might work.

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:12:51 -0500, Vic Dura wrote...

Would PricelessWare.net be available? Something like that might work.

..net, .com, and .info have all gone - around the same time that Genna
took the .org version. UK versions are still available as is .biz.

Otherwise.... priceless-ware is available in all flavours.

 

[Olaf Janson]

Yep...sometimes that's the only way out. So I'm making a change.
Adios, amigos.

MG, it took years to get you out of here.

I'm glad you're gone.

I assume you're back, or going to be back, with a new "name", though?

 

[jo]

Do you have any suggestions for another name?

There is a reason why Genna might want to hang on to PL.org?

 

[Henk de Jong]

Olaf Janson wrote on 27-6-2004 :

MG, it took years to get you out of here.

I'm glad you're gone.

I assume you're back, or going to be back, with a new "name", though?

This shows your *real* intention in here.

All right, I still have some place in my bozo-bin, and there you go
---->

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Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
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'Links to Freeware'
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[BEGE?s]

Olaf Janson wrote on 27-6-2004 :

This shows your *real* intention in here.

All right, I still have some place in my bozo-bin, and there you go
---->

Is it not time to stop acting like crazy and get back too what it?s all
about? I find that many in here knows what to do and all of the rest are
stupidos in som way!! To be honest, I don?t understand what you are fighting
about. This NG has been a good place to be, stop!!

 

[John Corliss]

Would PricelessWare.net be available? Something like that might work.

I think a move would be okay if the word Pricelessware could be
retained in the address.

 

[John Corliss]

John Corliss wrote:




There is a reason why Genna might want to hang on to PL.org?

Only she could answer that.

 

[Ted K]

This is my unresignation. Apologies for the previous over-reaction.

Please mark your scorn and abuse responses [OT] out of consideration for
others. TIA

Here are the vote results:

Susan, thanks for all the past work you did for the existing site. My
vote is to do what is best for you, as you are the one doing the work.

Mike Sa

It may be a little late; but I agree with Mike's sentiment.

TedK

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Dewey Edwards wrote:

Moving/not moving the Pricelessware web site is a *major* change.
Therefore it is a *group* decision.

A decision about the domain can only be made by the domain holder.
Genna. Not this group. If you want to move your files then do so. No
need for these dopey threads of yours.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

John,
'tis difficult keeping tracks of who said what where, but if I
understand you correctly you are advocating that Susan can take her
bag of marbles and toys and go play elsewhere ?

Yep. She can go elsewhere. Or she can stay. Her choice.

fair enough and so
she can, of course. But do we wish her to do so ?

If she wants to go elsewhere then that is fine by me. If she wants to
stay then that is fine by me.

If we do, and if you do, who then does the pricelessware.org version
of PL ? You ?? Genna? SoS?
Nelson-> Trafalgar-> I see no flags :-((

If she wants to do it then that is fine by me. If she doesn't want to
do it then that is fine by me.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:11:11 -0400, Susan Bugher

This is my unresignation. Apologies for the previous over-reaction.
Please mark your scorn and abuse responses [OT] out of consideration for
others. TIA
Here are the vote results: <snip>

Why, Susan, is this "vote" even necessary??

It isn't. It is a total waste of everyone's time.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I sure didn't get that from what I've read John.

Then you either didn't read all my posts and/or you mis-read them.

It's actually complicated by the fact there is a Pricelessware web
site, which is controlled by the active members of ACF, and a
Pricelessware.org domain, which is owned by an individual who has
generously paid the expenses for the web site (18 months prepaid it
appears).

The Pricelessware web site was kindly provided to us by Genna. It is
provided to us by Genna. For all we know it will be provided to us by
Genna.

The group was asked to decide whether the _Pricelessware web site_ is
moved from the current domain, _pricelessware.org_.

The group doesn't need to be asked that. If Susan wants to move her
files elsewhere then she can do so. No need for a 200 post thread to
arrange that.

This is where the friction is and the proposed solution. This is a
physical separation of the two parties involved; the domain owner and
the web site maintainer.

Has Genna said that her site is no longer available to us ? If so then
that is news to me. If she wants to do a database version of the
Pricelessware list as she was suggesting then the current site is
ideal for that.

If the move is elected I suggest we try to reimburse Geena for the
months paid in advance.

Good idea, but who says that site was not going to be used any more ?
Susan isn't the only one here who can make ACF web pages. There was
a Pricelessware page before Susan got here. I expect there will
continue to be one after her next public tantrum.

This is not a decision a single person makes John. The group, ACF, was
asked to vote on the fate of the PL web site. That's why the
discussion is here.

The group has no say over what Genna does. That's her choice. If
someone wants to ask Genna if she would mind someone else taking
over the Pricelessware domain then they should do that.

Instead of writing a polite email to Genna saying "Do you mind if I
take over the Pricelessware domain IF I pay the site fees, and IF
it is okay with ACF readers ?" We get instead this "lynch mob"
thread. Let's all gang up and force Genna to relinquish the domain.
Sorry. You might like thuggery. I don't. I prefer a polite email to
Genna in preference to a character assassination of Genna thread.

I don't think we're on the same page.

She can move the pricelessware web site without a vote?

She can do whatever she likes with her files. Duh !

No.
That's not how it works. You know this.

She could move her files. She can move her files. Very simple idea if
people think about it. I think the common name for such a situation
might be something like "choice" or "free will".

She can quit and create an alternate site? Yes, she could.

At last. You have FINALLY got it !

That is not
at all the question posed here though.

Is your vote that the _Pricelessware web site_ move to another domain?

No need of a vote. If Susan cannot cooperate with Genna then the files
need to be moved.

Or, is your vote that the _Pricelessware web site_ remain at the
current domain?

If I say "yes" then will Susan cooperate with Genna ? I think not. So
such a "vote" is pointless.

You have a vote as an active member. It is somewhat confusing in that
there are two entities that seemingly are tied together. They are not.
Agreed.

ACF holds the copyright on the Pricelessware web site if I'm not
mistaken. The domain is not owned by the group.

Do you understand what is being asked here now?

Nothing has changed since post number one. If Susan cannot work with
Genna then she needs to go elsewhere. The issue of who controls the
domain has not been mentioned until now, by you.

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Genna had no business to unilaterally decide to
change how the site is maintained.

Genna is paying the bills. She has the say in how the site is
maintained. There is nothing stopping things remaining as they are.
Except Susan.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

No, you said Genna should delete all of the files for the site.
That would render the site useless wouldn't it?

Nope. Genna hasn't said she will stop having the site available for
us. Where Susan puts her files is her business.

Guess you have the best interests of the group in mind.

Yep. It serves the group to do the obvious. Either Susan grows up and
works with Genna or she takes her files to another site. Her choice. I
don't care what she does.

This discussion is not a waste of time.

Apart from denigrating Genna what has been achieved by these threads ?
Absolutely nothing. At post number one Susan had the choice to move
her files elsewhere. She still has that choice. Nothing has changed.

If you truly feel that it's a
waste of time, why do you continue to participate?
Why should we care about the opinion of someone who continues to waste
their time?

Because I don't agree with the character assassination of Genna by
Susan. The whole point of these threads is for people to say how
wonderful Susan is and how horrible Genna is. I disagree with that
situation.

Or, Genna could back off and let Susan manage the site the way she has
been.

No need to. If Susan doesn't like things then she can go elsewhere.

Since that's not going to happen, Genna should release the ownership of
the Pricelessware.org domain name to Susan.

The Pricelessware domain isn't necessary for the pricelessware site.

Susan has represented this group better than Genna ever did.

Looks like Susan gets her wish eh ? Like denigrating Genna do you ?
Guess you want to please Susan eh ?

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Henk de Jong wrote:

In this case all parties do NOT want to do this.
That has been quite clear for several days now.

It was clear from the very first post. Otherwise why put
"irreconcilable differences" in a header ?

I guess someone really needs to get a dictionary.

This thread is getting as stupid as the other one.