Correct angle for keyboard

[Osiris]

seems, the sum of all posts is either *THE* solution or zero.

 

[John Doe]

Err, I'd hardly call training for 2 years, even remotely
close to being a generation ahead of using a keyboard to get
the job done.

I got other things done with the digital recorders at the same time.
They are far superior to tape recorders for taking notes.

Again. If you are heavy into Windows automation like I am, there is
no comparison between speech recognition and a keyboard for
launching shortcuts/scripts/whenever.

Seems quite the opposite, that SR is still far far behind
using a keyboard.

It can be hell if you can't do it.

Knowing what I know now, I would have been using speech recognition
for Windows automation/macroing even before being able to dictate.

 

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

Rod Speed wrote:

<Snipped bullshit>

You truly are a *stupid* ****wit aren't you??

<plonk>

He has a habit of spouting total bollocks in other places.

 

[WindsorFox]

Nope, the hands just move over the keyboard with the arms doing that instead.


No we dont. In spades when the arms are what moves.


Pity that doesnt happen.


Wrong again.


Wrong again.



Nope, they are clearly saying that last that zero is best. They are wrong.



I doubt you type enough to matter.

Do you have any references to back up your disagreements? I can't
find anything and I tend to trust Cornell Univ. on this since I can
correlate most of what you disagreed with to fact by personal
experience. It's a fact that typing with the hands bent in a upward
position can exacerbate the condition especially in people predisposed
for it. Zero degrees may not be the optimum, but until the release of
the latest MS ergo key board it was the best that could be achieved with
a keyboard on a flat surface. At $dayjob I have seen may people typing
with their hands past a 15 degree angle so it seems you may have limited
experience with unexperienced typists and this comes down to them not
knowing better and/or not knowing how to adjust the keyboard tray which
allows for a keyboard to be tilted down towards the top end rather than
up. It occurs that if some of your answers are to have any credibility
you should provide some insight into your reply beyond "nope" or "wrong."



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[WindsorFox]

Troll

Heh, I am beginning to wonder, although I *have* seen a couple of
correct and proper answers from said person.

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[Don Freeman]

Heh, I am beginning to wonder, although I *have* seen a couple of
correct and proper answers from said person.

Which is more then you'll ever see from "John Doe", whom I killfiled long
ago and only see his messages when others respond to them.
It's quite ironically humorous when he accuses someone else of trolling,
useless twit that he is.

 

[Rod Speed]

Heh, I am beginning to wonder, although I *have* seen a couple of
correct and proper answers from said person.

And not a single one from that fool.

 

[WindsorFox]

Bullshit. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

You mean those designed in 1968 before the affliction known as Carple
tunnel syndrome had a name? Good comparison.



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Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Do you have any references to back up your disagreements?

Dont need any of those on the basic stuff at the top.

Dont need any on the much more basic stuff that
typewriters didnt have anything like zero slope for
what must be something like a century or more either.

AND that Cornell cite doesnt present a shred of rigorous scientific
evidence to support their proclaimation that zero slope is best.

THATS what its about, evidence based science.

I can't find anything and I tend to trust Cornell Univ. on this since I can
correlate most of what you disagreed with to fact by personal experience.

Pity about all those typewriter keyboards over a century or more now.

It's a fact that typing with the hands bent in a upward position can exacerbate the
condition especially in people predisposed for it.

Its a fact that the hands dont need to bend upwards when the
arms move upwards instead to allow access to upper rows.

Zero degrees may not be the optimum, but until the release of the latest MS ergo key
board it was the best that could be achieved with a keyboard on a flat surface.

Again, thats just your claim without a shred of rigorous
science to substantiate the claim that that is the best.

At $dayjob I have seen may people typing with their hands past a 15 degree angle

Not the way that is claimed at the top.

so it seems you may have limited experience with unexperienced typists

You need to get your seems machinery seen to.

I happen to have a wealth of experience going back to LONG
before there were even any computer keyboards at all.

And its just a tad unlikely that the vast bulk of those who used
teletypes were inexperienced typists, and you should be able
to find plenty of pics of those on the web if you dont know
that those had nothing even remotely resembling anything
like zero slope keyboards.

In fact I cant even think of a single example
of a zero slope typewriter keyboard.

and this comes down to them not knowing better and/or not knowing how to adjust the
keyboard tray which allows for a keyboard to be tilted down towards the top end rather
than up.

You keep ignoring all those typewriters over more than a century now.

It occurs that if some of your answers are to have any credibility you should provide
some insight into your reply beyond "nope" or "wrong."

I did that, most obviously with the mention of typewriters thanks.

 

[WindsorFox]

Osiris wrote



Doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.

"General design includes items such as: palm rests; the visible surfaces
of the keytops; the SLOPE of the keyboard and keyboard SLOPE
ADJUSTMENT." So if you have a book or .pdf that shows the full and
actual wording of ISO 9241-4 would you be so kind as to quote it....

Go and **** yourself. No please, that's an order.

Real mature.

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Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[WindsorFox]

Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you are,
the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
having problems, will need to find out what to do about
it...

Also some people are more susceptible to carpel tunnel syndrome than
others depending on the size of said tunnel.

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Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
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Cadbury Moose

 

[WindsorFox]

Wrong with electric typewriters.

Incorrect. Only electric typewriters that do not have DaisyWheel,
IBM Ball or digital technology. A current typewriter has an almost flat
keyboard and if one is sitting at the proper height it should not make
much difference in *most* people. You seem to know as much about this
particular subject as you do about analog audio equipment.

Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
that had a basket of keys on long arms.




Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.



Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.


Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

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[WindsorFox]

Osiris wrote:



Nah, I don't think so. Lack of knowledge I can obviously understand and
abide. *Arrogant* stupidity? That's another story.

ROFL

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Cadbury Moose

 

[VWWall]

Heh, I am beginning to wonder, although I *have* seen a couple of
correct and proper answers from said person.

You're correct. A few of his answers, in part, are not entirely without
merit!

 

[John Doe]

Which is more then you'll ever see from "John Doe",

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[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Nope.

Only electric typewriters that do not have DaisyWheel, IBM Ball or digital technology.

Wrong with that 'allow more space for the
mechanical portion of the typewriter' claim.

A current typewriter has an almost flat keyboard

Wrong again.

and if one is sitting at the proper height it should
not make much difference in *most* people.

You seem to know as much about this particular subject as you do about analog audio
equipment.

You cant even manage to work out that that he was making a specific claim
about 'allow more space for the mechanical portion of the typewriter'

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

You mean those designed in 1968 before the affliction known as Carple tunnel syndrome
had a name?

Nope, also the ones designed after that too.

Good comparison.

Pathetic excuse for bullshit in your case.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

"General design includes items such as: palm rests; the visible
surfaces of the keytops; the SLOPE of the keyboard and keyboard SLOPE
ADJUSTMENT."

Like I said, doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.

So if you have a book or .pdf that shows the full and actual wording of ISO 9241-4 would
you be so kind as to quote it....

He's the one that made that claim.

He gets to do that quoting.

Thats how it works.

Real mature.

Clearly wouldnt know what maturity was if it bit it on its lard arse.

 

[WindsorFox]

Which is more then you'll ever see from "John Doe", whom I killfiled long
ago and only see his messages when others respond to them.
It's quite ironically humorous when he accuses someone else of trolling,
useless twit that he is.

Agreed. Perhaps I'll filter both....

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I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[WindsorFox]

You keep ignoring all those typewriters over more than a century now.


I did that, most obviously with the mention of typewriters thanks.

No I didn't forget, they can cause CTS as easily as a puter KB. I
work with someone who has it.

--
I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose