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Rod Speed
Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.
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Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.
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Don Freeman
Oh come on Rod, I don't have anything against you but you got to admit itRod Speed said:Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.
was funny.
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Rod Speed
Osiris wrote
Nope, if there was, the tilt wouldnt be adjustable.
Pity there isnt one for the keyboard angle.
Nope. In spades when ISO is silent on the keyboard tilt.
Is that anything like getting all touchy feely ?
Que ?
You wont get any effect after 15 mins.
Havent noticed too many plows with keyboards.
Not a great idea to try that with a plow either.
Which had adjustable tilt too. Funny that.
Its generally agree that those should be horizontal,
tho without much rigorous science behind that.
No thanks, not into touchy feely, thats for limp wristed wimps.
Nope, not with decent editors it isnt.
You in spades in that shit above, child.
Never ever said anything like that, child.
From your post, sure, you did manage to get something right.
Undoubtedly there is a generally accepted etc.
Nope, if there was, the tilt wouldnt be adjustable.
ISO has standards,
Pity there isnt one for the keyboard angle.
and I'd say ISO is the nearest you can get to "generally accepted".
Nope. In spades when ISO is silent on the keyboard tilt.
However: the most imporantt thing is to educate people to start FEELING.
Is that anything like getting all touchy feely ?
Feel how you sit, does your back start to hurt, pain in the legs maybe ?
Do your arms feel "folded" too strongly...
Que ?
How do the wrists feel after 15 mins of typing ?
You wont get any effect after 15 mins.
many people just keep plowing on during a work day,
Havent noticed too many plows with keyboards.
racing the rat race.
Not a great idea to try that with a plow either.
Then: writsts are different from person to person. So why
exactly 5 or 6 degrees tilt ? A general guideline... no more.
In the early 80's we had IBM keyboards of maybe 10 cm THICK on the table.
Which had adjustable tilt too. Funny that.
I was not hurt, because my work had enough variation: no full day of
typing, but programming meant: type a line, think, type a line, think...
Enough rest periods.
I can imagine the wrist angle makes a difference. But that does not immediadtely
translate in keyboard tilt. Subtract the angle of the lower arm first.
Its generally agree that those should be horizontal,
tho without much rigorous science behind that.
I'd say, the first thing to do to avoid injury is to define the
persons function description. And tune in to the feeling.
No thanks, not into touchy feely, thats for limp wristed wimps.
Nowadays, typing requires so much less forcce than in the era
of the Remmington typewriters. The effect is, that people keep
going on, thinking that the physical load is less. But maybe load
x time is the same as before... And the repetition is a lot higher..
Nope, not with decent editors it isnt.
BTW: forget about Rod Speed: he only has opinions, no arguments.
You in spades in that shit above, child.
He even thinks the VW beetle is a great car...
Never ever said anything like that, child.
go figure. Nothing to learn there.
From your post, sure, you did manage to get something right.
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Rod Speed
Oh come on Rod, I don't have anything against you but you got to admit it was funny.
Nope, like I said, any 2 year old could leave that for dead.
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Osiris
Nope, like I said, any 2 year old could leave that for dead.
any 2 yrs old produces that much crap.
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Osiris
qed
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Osiris
Undoubtedly there is a generally accepted etc.
another diaper full...
ISO 9241-4
plse READ before comment
0.5 mins GOOGLE
Nope, if there was, the tilt wouldnt be adjustable.
another diaper full...
Pity there isnt one for the keyboard angle.
ISO 9241-4
plse READ before comment
0.5 mins GOOGLE
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Rod Speed
Osiris wrote
Doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.
Go and **** yourself. No please, that's an order.
ISO 9241-4
Doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.
plse READ before comment
Go and **** yourself. No please, that's an order.
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Osiris
Osiris wrote
Doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.
Go and **** yourself. No please, that's an order.
you're such a nice toy.
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Rod Speed said:****wit.
You give him way too much credit
Abosolutly never, ever anything worth reading.John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
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John Doe
Rod Speed said:Osiris wrote
Doesnt specify a 'correct' keyboard angle.
Yes it does, troll.
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Rod Speed
Osiris said:you're such a nice toy.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
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Rod Speed
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djs0302
Archie said:Is there a generally-accepted best angle for the slope of a regular
keyboard? One web page says this:
The correct angle and height is the one the best suits you. Personally
I've never put too much stock into what those so called ergonomic
researchers say. I had a flat keyboard once but I just didn't like the
feel of it. I kept hitting the Windows key whenever I reached for the
left shift key. Besides finding the correct keyboard, finding the
correct mouse is also important. I prefer a relatively flat mouse.
Some mice are so rounded in the middle that they're just uncomfortable
for me to use. Others may prefer that type. The thing is there's no
such thing as one size fits all.
K
kony
Bullshit. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.
They were designed to:
1) Allow more space for the mechanical portion of the
typewriter, before the digital age.
2) SLOW DOWN the typist.
It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.
It all suddenly makes sense.
Rod is typing spasmodically.
I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.
Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you are,
the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.
On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
having problems, will need to find out what to do about
it...
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Rod Speed
They were designed to:
1) Allow more space for the mechanical
portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.
Wrong with electric typewriters.
2) SLOW DOWN the typist.
Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
that had a basket of keys on long arms.
It all suddenly makes sense.
Rod is typing spasmodically.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you
are, the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.
Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.
On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
having problems, will need to find out what to do about it...
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
O
Osiris
The correct angle and height is the one the best suits you. Personally
Generally true, and an ideal situation if/when reached, but one of the
problems is, that people cannot always choose their keyboard:
sometimes you have to use the one given (work-situation).
In a case like that, the boss might be helped with for instance an ISO
standard to buy the things.
Also many people are not conscious of what "feels" best. Many eyes get
misty, when you ask if the keyboard (or chair, or desk) is
comfortable..
I've never put too much stock into what those so called ergonomic
researchers say. I had a flat keyboard once but I just didn't like the
feel of it. I kept hitting the Windows key whenever I reached for the
left shift key. Besides finding the correct keyboard, finding the
Indeed, more than slope is important. The touch of the keys, size,
layout...
Your use of "feel" correctly indicates, that cognitivity is not the
whole story, not the end-of-it-all in decisions. Intuition (or feel)
is our other leg...
correct mouse is also important. I prefer a relatively flat mouse.
Some mice are so rounded in the middle that they're just uncomfortable
for me to use.
Maybe because your wrist is bent up too much ? there is a relation,
maybe, with the keyboard slope...
Others may prefer that type. The thing is there's no
such thing as one size fits all.
Nope: we are privileged to have some choice.
K
kony
Wrong with electric typewriters.
Nope, they were made to coincide to the layout of the
mechanicals in more than just the letters on each key.
Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
that had a basket of keys on long arms.
I never said it wasn't.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Was that just a spasm or did you mean to paste the same
thing for the 34,323 time in a row?
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Osiris
Was that just a spasm or did you mean to paste the same
thing for the 34,323 time in a row?
Could it be..... naaaaw....
ummm.... maybe... RD is a bot?
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Osiris
Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.
Hm...nothing much happened on your way to an (over-)ripe age...