Zalman ZM80C with a 9800 Pro?

[J. Clarke]

Then you are saing that if i use a hairdryer and blow hot air in my case
it doesent matter?

I'm sorry but that statement makes no sense at all.

I have OC alot over the last 15 years and i say you are
out on thin ice...

So how did you _ever_ manage to overclock anything in the days before there
was a VGA Silencer to cool your machine for you?

Now you telling that peltier adds heat inside the computer, a minute ago
you said nothing could add heat inside??? Yes Peltier add heat inside a
computer and a 9800 Pro for sure adds ALOT of heat!

No, I said that _coolers_ don't "add heat" unless they use Peltiers. The
last time I checked a 9800 Pro was a video board, not a cooler.

Well first of all VGA Silencer have a big low rpm fan, and running it in
Silent mode i guess im going to ditch my 9800 Pro before anything is going
to happen to the cooler.

You clearly have a different definition of "big" than I do. But neither
size nor RPM provides any protection against fan-bearing failure.

You have to add a fan to Z80 to get adequate
cooling according to reviews.

So? When that fan goes, one tosses it. Can you toss the fan on the VGA
Silencer or do you have to replace the whole thing?

 

[J. Clarke]

I don't think *you* are being at all objective here.

Because I am saying the VGA Silencer is "better", your conclusion is that
I
am biased. Has it occured to you that I might actually be correct and
that
the VGA Silencer might actually be better? Objectively better?

"Objectively better" in what way? All the discussion of the difficulties of
fitting it due to lack of provision for the ATI shim indicate that it is
certainly not "objectively better" with regard to fitment to ATI video
boards. If one's objective is a quite machine then it is not "objectively
better" in that it would appear to be unable to run without fan noise under
_any_ circumstance. If one wishes to overclock then it might or might not
be "objectively better" with regard to its overall cooling capacity but I
suspect I could get more cooling out of the Zalman than you can out of the
VGA Silencer.

Your statement that they are merely "different" implies that the VGA
Silencer has some advantages and the Zalman has others. So let me ask
you, given that the VGA Silencer *is* objectively better than the Zalman
in a number of ways, e.g. its a better overclocker, its easier to fit

Easier to fit? Then why all the discussion of the difficulties of dealing
with the ATI Shim with the VGA Silencer. In any case, I find that the
Zalman is not at all difficult to fit so I don't see where this is an
issue.

and
its cheaper to buy, please can you tell me in what ways (objectively) the
Zalman is better?

I can think of none. Nil, zero, nada.

Well, that is your problem. Perhaps you should do some more research.
Perhaps it has not occurred to you that there are people in the world, for
example, who don't give a rat's ass about overclocking.

And if there are none, then its a perfectly reasonable conclusion that the
VGA Silencer is better, isn't it. How can they be equal if the VGA
Silencer
is better in some ways and the Zalman is better in zero ways. How can
that
score them equal? Which is why I am saying its better!

You are making false claims here about both the Zalman and the VGA Silencer.

Unless its true, of course!!! And anyway, I never said the Zalman was
worthless. In fact I said its probably quite good too. I merely state
that there was no point in buying it since it is objectively inferior to
an alternative product that costs 1/2 the price or less.

It may be "objectively inferior" for YOUR purposes.

I can only conclude he went mad overclocking or didn't fit it properly.
It can have nothing to do with the VGA Silencer design, see below.

Well, why don't you tell him that then?

Seems like a nice idea, but in practice, its clearly a waste of time.
Otherwise, I (and others) wouldn't be able to run a 9700 Pro at 410MHz all
day (with the shim on) with a VGA Silencer, would we/they. If the heat
wasn't getting through to the VGA Silencer, this could never work. But it
does work, so clearly the lack of a raised area on the VGA Silencer is of
no consequence.

How do you know you couldn't hit 500 with the Zalman? And what makes you
think I give a damn about overclocking?

You can struggle all you like with this. But I maintain that the fact is
the VGA Silencer is plain and simple a better product, but because *you*
bought the Zalman, you just can't handle the fact.

You can "maintain" anything you want. Now when you can make your VGA
Silencer completely silent, then come back to me.

 

[Chip]

I'm sorry but that statement makes no sense at all.


So how did you _ever_ manage to overclock anything in the days before there
was a VGA Silencer to cool your machine for you?


No, I said that _coolers_ don't "add heat" unless they use Peltiers. The
last time I checked a 9800 Pro was a video board, not a cooler.


You clearly have a different definition of "big" than I do. But neither
size nor RPM provides any protection against fan-bearing failure.


So? When that fan goes, one tosses it. Can you toss the fan on the VGA
Silencer or do you have to replace the whole thing?

I give up.

"The are those people you can help. There are those you can't help. And
there are those you don't want to help." Who was it who said that. I can't
remember.

Cheers anyway.

Chip.

 

[Thomas Andrén]

So how did you _ever_ manage to overclock anything in the days before there
was a VGA Silencer to cool your machine for you?

I did not have a 9800 Pro a couple of years ago either, and most of us didnt
care about noice like we do now.

You clearly have a different definition of "big" than I do. But neither
size nor RPM provides any protection against fan-bearing failure.

Bigger fans usully runs at lower rpm that not stress bearings as mutch as
high rpm fans. I have changed alot of small high speed CPU fans over the
years, but not many PSU fans as an example. VGA Silencer uses a radial fan
that have big fan blades and uses low rpm.

So? When that fan goes, one tosses it. Can you toss the fan on the VGA
Silencer or do you have to replace the whole thing?

I doubt its going to happen and if it does then there is no big deal, VGA
Silencer only cost like a family pizza so.. Or you could just change
bearings. My old TNT2 Ultra have a very small high rpm fan, and that one
lasted for 3 years 24/7 before it started to make some horrifying sounds. If
VGA Silencer uses a quality fan and bearings, it could last for 5-10 year
and still run like new if it is used in silent mode.

In either way im happy to see that someone makes good quality cooling
solutions for high performance VGA cards, and at the same time makes it very
quiet.

/Thomas A/

 

[J. Clarke]

I did not have a 9800 Pro a couple of years ago either, and most of us
didnt care about noice like we do now.

I see. So you're withdrawing your assertion now that the VGA Silencer is
essential for overclocking?

Bigger fans usully runs at lower rpm that not stress bearings as mutch as
high rpm fans.

Uh huh. I've had big fans go, little fans go, medium sized fans go, high
speed fans go, low speed fans go, size or RPM has little to do with it.

I have changed alot of small high speed CPU fans over the
years, but not many PSU fans as an example. VGA Silencer uses a radial fan
that have big fan blades and uses low rpm.

I doubt its going to happen and if it does then there is no big deal, VGA
Silencer only cost like a family pizza so.. Or you could just change
bearings.

And of course you know where to get bearings for that particular fan.

My old TNT2 Ultra have a very small high rpm fan, and that one
lasted for 3 years 24/7 before it started to make some horrifying sounds.
If VGA Silencer uses a quality fan and bearings, it could last for 5-10
year and still run like new if it is used in silent mode.

Or could last a few months. I've put three fans in my Tivo in the past
three years and two of them were Papst, which is about as good as it gets.