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George Macdonald
Sorry, I don't see anything there which seems to correspond to Conroe -
you'll have to be more specific.
Sorry, I don't see anything there which seems to correspond to Conroe -
you'll have to be more specific.
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Isaac W.
I hate to break it to you, But.. Unless you build the computer out of
stock parts yourself and run and install it all yourself, I would have
to disqualify that test as invalid.
Intel setup two identical systems: in one corner, an Athlon 64 FX-60
overclocked to 2.8GHz running on a DFI RD480 motherboard. And in the
other corner, a Conroe running at 2.66GHz (1067MHz FSB) on an Intel
975X motherboard.
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The AMD system used 1GB of DDR400 running at 2-2-2/1T timings, while
the Intel system used 1GB of DDR2-667 running at 4-4-4. Both systems
had a pair of Radeon X1900 XTs running in CrossFire and as far as we
could tell, the drivers and the rest of the system setup was identical
<<
On top of ddr competeing with ddr2. So their performace gains could
singly be attributed to a memory advantage.
Toss that test out the window, Its no good and compromised.
stock parts yourself and run and install it all yourself, I would have
to disqualify that test as invalid.
Intel setup two identical systems: in one corner, an Athlon 64 FX-60
overclocked to 2.8GHz running on a DFI RD480 motherboard. And in the
other corner, a Conroe running at 2.66GHz (1067MHz FSB) on an Intel
975X motherboard.
----
The AMD system used 1GB of DDR400 running at 2-2-2/1T timings, while
the Intel system used 1GB of DDR2-667 running at 4-4-4. Both systems
had a pair of Radeon X1900 XTs running in CrossFire and as far as we
could tell, the drivers and the rest of the system setup was identical
<<
On top of ddr competeing with ddr2. So their performace gains could
singly be attributed to a memory advantage.
Toss that test out the window, Its no good and compromised.
J
Judd
Isaac W. said:
AMD has the controller on the chip and with less latency with DDR, there's
no real advantage to going with DDR2 until you get to high bandwidths
(800+). The Conroe is really that fast and possibly faster once they get it
hitting the ground with high end parts. AMD will counter for sure, but it
may not be until early 2007 that they come up with a competing product.
Conroe could also push the 4 GHz barrier also. 2007 will be a great year
for computers. Lots of new competitive products all around.
I
Isaac W.
Intel should not do slanted tests.
However I wouldn't be suprised if conroe was superior to its AMD
counterpart. I want to point out that until it comes out, saying its
better really doesn't mean anything. Until we can verify that this
information from a random sampling of a production chips its futile to
speculate who is the best.
Theres also price/peformance ratio that seems to carry through on the
AMD side that intel can't seem to beat.
Should be interesting to say the least. That is, if the bird flu
doesn't kill us all
However I wouldn't be suprised if conroe was superior to its AMD
counterpart. I want to point out that until it comes out, saying its
better really doesn't mean anything. Until we can verify that this
information from a random sampling of a production chips its futile to
speculate who is the best.
Theres also price/peformance ratio that seems to carry through on the
AMD side that intel can't seem to beat.
Should be interesting to say the least. That is, if the bird flu
doesn't kill us all
F
Felger Carbon
Isaac W. said:
Intel is going to have to prevent a stampede from their hot hot
desktop chips to Conroe the instant they release the Conroe. They
will accomplish this by initially pricing Conroe very high, and
gradually drop the price as their Conroe production ramps up. I don't
see price-competitive Conroes until mid-2007. You got a better guess?
;-)
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Bill Davidsen
Sorry, I missed this post somehow, question and all. The SPEC results IGeorge said:
was mentioning were for core-duo, compared to similarly clocked P4.
Apologies for the slow clarification.
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George Macdonald
What clarification?
If you meant the Lenovo Thinkpad T60, you couldhave said so... or given a URL. If not, what and where?
I
Isaac W.
I would guess that time line would be far sooner being that AMD chips
are less expensive. That being said, I would say early 2007 or 2006
chrismas for all those geeks who want upgrades. I hope the conroe chip
lives up to my expectations. Im likely going to wait for an upgrade
then. AMD might make a really decent chip but it seems to me that AMD
is still not as stable motherboard wise. *shrug*
One thing is for sure, its going to be interesting how this all turns
out.
are less expensive. That being said, I would say early 2007 or 2006
chrismas for all those geeks who want upgrades. I hope the conroe chip
lives up to my expectations. Im likely going to wait for an upgrade
then. AMD might make a really decent chip but it seems to me that AMD
is still not as stable motherboard wise. *shrug*
One thing is for sure, its going to be interesting how this all turns
out.
K
Keith
So sit on the sidelines as you have been for a halfa decade.
....and who the **** are you?!! What a maroon! *shrug* indeed.
I find now interesting, not promises of sex to come. Though perhaps
you're a kid and can't deal with reality yet.
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Isaac W.
I was specifically referring to the mass amounts of junk that alot of
the motherboard manufacturers push. They come DOA, Have crap for
customer service, Ect. Ect.
If you want to criticize, put your money where your mouth is and prove
me wrong.
the motherboard manufacturers push. They come DOA, Have crap for
customer service, Ect. Ect.
If you want to criticize, put your money where your mouth is and prove
me wrong.
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Bill Davidsen
Isaac said:
Have no idea what AMD motherboard you think is unstable, certainly there
is more choice for Intel. The time to decide which computer to buy is
when you need to buy a computer. There will always be something faster
and/or cheaper if you wait six months. Of course you can wait forever to
buy a computer upgrade, and if you just think a new computer would be
fun that's a good thing to do.
K
Keith
More frikin FUD.
A fool can't be taught.
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Isaac W.
Your the fool if you can't at least point out possible errors my ways.
You call me a fool and tear into me when I would rather have a
reasonable conversation about these subjects. I have researched and
looked at hardware and reviews always taking a critical eye at what and
who is reporting this review and if there is personal biases involved.
Btw FUD's are stupid IMHO, I said it was invalid and in poor taste
earlier.
Your the one that needs to grow up.
You call me a fool and tear into me when I would rather have a
reasonable conversation about these subjects. I have researched and
looked at hardware and reviews always taking a critical eye at what and
who is reporting this review and if there is personal biases involved.
Btw FUD's are stupid IMHO, I said it was invalid and in poor taste
earlier.
Your the one that needs to grow up.
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max
Some things aren't possible on this NG...
max
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George Macdonald
And you think the err, Intel brand name on a mbrd protects you from this
and that *it* is not just "junk" from the same sweatshops? It's been 10
years at least now since Intel made a mbrd which could rank with the best
of the 3rd party brands.
If you hadn't "noticed" by yourself.........<shrug>
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Keith
^^^^
The word is "you're", as in "you are", kid.
You said *nothing* reasonable and had no interest in a conversation. YOu
simply *stated* crap and have been called on it.
You haven't "researched" shit and are only "reporting" personal biases of
others (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt). Perhpas *you* would like
to substantiate your assinine statements?
^^^^^
I'm quite sure Elmer has no opinon here.
^
You haven't a humble nerve in your little body, kid. Had you any
humility, you would have asked questions rather than stateing (absurd)
opinion as "facts".
Try taking remedial grammar next time you flunk out of grade school, kid.
^^^^
No, you need to learn from those who have been around the block a few
times, kid.
K
Keith
....and you're here, umm, why?
M
max
umm, because there are some informative, balanced posters who take a
rational, reasonable look at the issues before the threads devolve
into tailchasing?
because I enjoy reading the flamefests, just like reading Roddy Speed
on the storage NG?
because I feel like it?
because I like to see how far people go to get the last word in?
max
K
Keith
But you implied that such things aren't possible here.
Ah, another troll, IOW.
Shoot.
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Robert Redelmeier
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips max said:
Perhaps you are confusing "possible" with "probable".
Definitions of "reasonable" vary. Everyone must use their own.
-- Robert