windows update

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Joachim Ziebs wrote in


Thats right, the site uses the Windowsupdate engine - you need Windows
with IE to use it (I get the same respons if I try Opera for Windows).
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It also says " If you prefer to use a different Web browser, updates
to Windows may be downloaded from the Microsoft Download Center."

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=10678&clcid=0x409

which turns into:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en

Searching for Windows 98 downloads, MS presented me with this URL and
a page full of results:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...4B-964D-1BDDCAF3081A&freetext=&DisplayLang=en

Try it and see if you still need Windows OS?
 
(e-mail address removed) wrote in
Searching for Windows 98 downloads, MS presented me with this URL and
a page full of results:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...4B-964D-1BDDCAF3081A&freetext=&DisplayLang=en
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Or:
<http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/corporate.asp>
Havent counted the downloads there, if they match the number
reported by the above link (currently 155). Guess it should.

similar page for Win95:
<http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/default.asp>

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
POKO said:
I would be willing to bet that dialup users would be happy to pay to
have a cd snailmailed to them. Ahem......
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POKO,

You've got that right. The high-speeders out there just don't realize
how long it takes on a dial up connection. To top it off, if you live
out in the country, where your local phone company is the ISP, and their
lines are noisy, AND the best connect speed you can get is around 33K
bps, YOU BETCHA we'd pay for a CD and mailing!

Lakeside

Reply to (e-mail address removed) (Formerly Rancherjim)
 
Hi!

It also says " If you prefer to use a different Web browser, updates
to Windows may be downloaded from the Microsoft Download Center."
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Not here.
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=10678&clcid=0x409
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Doessn't like me.
which turns into:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en
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Doesn't like me either.
Searching for Windows 98 downloads, MS presented me with this URL and
a page full of results:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...4B-964D-1BDDCAF3081A&freetext=&DisplayLang=en
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This works!
Thanks!

Greetings,

Joachim
 
(e-mail address removed) wrote:
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Searching for Windows 98 downloads, MS presented me with this URL and
a page full of results:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...4B-964D-1BDDCAF3081A&freetext=&DisplayLang=en
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Try it and see if you still need Windows OS?
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This is a great idea and obviously many of us prefer 98 over newer
versions of Windows. It seems apparent that MS will remove these to
boost sales, as I'm sure not going to buy software I have to ask to
install or use.

The problem here is the archiving of the update files. They do not
show up in searching the Windows 98 category and using the identifier
as a keyword:

"Windows 98"

keyword: "KB828750"

When searching "All," articles come up, but not the file as far as I
can see.

It is important to get the correct updates and most likely to install
them in the correct order. It almost looks like MS has planned for
making it difficult to impossible to archive the files required.

Below is my update history for 98SE. I did a clean reinstall recently
and these are the files and the order that I got them. As you can see,
some are not individually identified and some are. I don't see an easy
way to locate and download these from MS other than with the update
engine.

Maybe the best plan is to do a clean install around year end when
there will be no more updates released. Then use the update engine and
sit through the tedious task of downloading\installing and rebooting
to get a nice clean and updated system. Do the same for Excel or any
other MS products. Install and setup your browsers, email and news
programs. It is debatable as to installing antivirus, Spybot, etc. at
this point to be included in your backup or to wait and get a fresh
copy after you use your backup. I had a terribly dated Norton AV on my
first system backup and it really mussed up the registry, left files
after being uninstalled and led to an unhappy system that should have
been clean. Use RegSeeker to tidy up before backing the whole
enchilada up.

Use xxcopy to clone the disk to another drive and\or use the backup
program that comes with most CD writers to span CD's with the clean
install. My xxcopy clone is about 1 gig. It takes 10-15 minutes to
format and copy it to the boot partition and it boots right up! I plan
(hope) to never sit through another Windows install and update again.
The CD method is more secure, but my HP writer won't do it due to a
hardware problem.

If using xxcopy to hard disk it might be necessary to use a boot
manager. I'm not sure. I already had one for Linux. It seems like I
read in the docs somewhere that a clone on D: might affect the
original on C:, but I don't see how. Anyway, my D: is hidden under
normal operations and only visible when I'm using it to copy the clone
back. XOSL is the one that I use.

=========================================================

Successful Tuesday, October 07, 2003 October 2003, Cumulative Patch
for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB828750)

Successful Thursday, July 24, 2003 Q329414: Security Update (MDAC 2.5)

Successful Thursday, July 24, 2003 Security Update for Microsoft
Windows (819696)

Successful Thursday, July 24, 2003 823559: Security Update for
Microsoft Windows

Successful Tuesday, July 01, 2003 Vector Graphics Rendering (VML)

Successful Tuesday, July 01, 2003 Root Certificates Update

Successful Saturday, June 28, 2003 DirectX 9.0a End-User Runtime

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 811630: Critical Update (Windows
98) Web site

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Security Update 1, November 29,
1999

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Security Update, March 17, 2000

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Security Update, February 13, 2002
(MSXML 3.0)

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Security Update, March 7, 2002

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Security Update, November 12, 1999

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Security Update, May 19, 2000

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Q323255: Security Update (Windows
98)

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Q323172: Security Update (Windows
98)

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Windows Share Level Password Update

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Q329115: Security Update (Windows
98)

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 Q329414: Security Update (MDAC 2.1)

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 814078: Security Update (Microsoft
Jscript version 5.6, Windows 98, Windows Millennium Edition, Windows
NT 4.0)

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 816093: Security Update Microsoft
Virtual Machine (Microsoft VM)

Successful Saturday, June 21, 2003 818529: June 2003, Cumulative Patch
for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1

=========================================================

It's just an idea. You can see what a pain in the backside archiving
and installing each of these in the right order will be. Doing it once
correctly (update engine) and backing everything up seems to be a good
angle that will save a great deal of time on down the road. It might
be wise to make several backups.
 
POKO,

You've got that right. The high-speeders out there just don't realize
how long it takes on a dial up connection. To top it off, if you live
out in the country, where your local phone company is the ISP, and their
lines are noisy, AND the best connect speed you can get is around 33K
bps, YOU BETCHA we'd pay for a CD and mailing!

Lakeside

Reply to (e-mail address removed) (Formerly Rancherjim)
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what I'd give to see the cable guy installing cable along the road in
front of my place......
 
Wayne said:
(clipped)
Found this post concerning the same issue early in the day 10/04/03.
Very easy to do. Nice tip Gordon :-)

Subject: Windows 98 Updates
From: Gordon Darling <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware

Whilst Windows 98 is still the most widely installed OS in the world it
ain't making any money for Microsoft - they want you to move to XP. As
many will be aware support for Win98 will be withdrawn at the end of this
year.

It is possible to set up "Windows Update" to allow you to download ALL of
the updates individually. You can then copy them all to another
partition/hard disk or burn to a CDR. It's easy enough on broadband but
still possible on dial up if you download bits at a time.

Couple of caveats.
You must be running a Microsoft operating system (I.e. you can't do it on
Solaris or BSD, etc) but you can d/l updates for an OS other than the one
you are running. (You can d/l Win98SE updates from a Win2K or WinXP box).

The procedure is as follows.

a) Go to the Windows update site.
b) Choose personalize Windows update in the left frame.
c) Put a check mark in "Display the link to Windows Update Catalog".
d) There's a new link to Windows Update Catalog under See Also.
e) Click on the link.
f) Make your selection of operating system.
g) Make your selection updates.
h) Download as appropriate.

Hope this helps those of you still using Win98
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Actually, this works for all versions of Windows that're still
supported. Also note that the "Download Now" button is grayed out
until you select the download location on your hard drive by clicking
on the "Browse..." button next to the blank field under "Type or
browse to the download location of your choice:"

WHAT A BUNCH OF HOOPLA to have to go through just to download the
updates. It seems obvious as hell to me that M$ wants to go to certain
lengths to hide the location of the Windows Update Catalog. Why do
they want this I wonder? All they need to do is to make links to the
updates so that one can right click on them, select "Save as" or
whatever and then download them.

ALSO note that once you get the downloads on your hard drive, they're
buried in a complex folder structure and the files are mostly named
with cryptic filenames like "q330994.exe". In order to know what it is
you're installing in each case, you have to click on the URL shortcut
in each update folder that says "ReadMore". This starts a flurry of
activity on the part of Explorer trying to connect through various
ports. However, eventually you get to a MS Security Bulletin
describing the update.

I tried having one of the bulletins emailed to myself (bottom of the
page), and it only sent me a link to the page, not the bulletin
itself. I suppose if one wanted to ignore the MS copyright notice, one
could save each of those update bulletins to a text file.

--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 
John Corliss said:
Link requires that you register and pay to access the site. NO THANKS.
He can shove his newsletters where the sun don't shine.
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Remain calm, John. I had signed in to his site before grabbing that link
and I didn't realize how it would end up looking to someone who hadn't. It
was my mistake, not his.

This is the link to that same article as it appears in the FREE version of
his newsletter: http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-09-18.htm#7

I pay an meagre $9 a year for my "plus" subscription to Fred Langa's
newsletter, but the free version is an invaluable collection of insights and
advice on a wide range of topics. I very highly recommend it. The paid
version comes out a day earlier and contains a few extra items, but I
subscribed mainly to support the guy. Fred Langa was a regular contributor
to the now-dead WinMag site, and now writes contributes to
informationweek.com.

Regards,
Ian.
 
Ionizer said:
Remain calm, John. I had signed in to his site before grabbing that link
and I didn't realize how it would end up looking to someone who hadn't. It
was my mistake, not his.
This is the link to that same article as it appears in the FREE version of
his newsletter: http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-09-18.htm#7
I pay an meagre $9 a year for my "plus" subscription to Fred Langa's
newsletter, but the free version is an invaluable collection of insights and
advice on a wide range of topics. I very highly recommend it. The paid
version comes out a day earlier and contains a few extra items, but I
subscribed mainly to support the guy. Fred Langa was a regular contributor
to the now-dead WinMag site, and now writes contributes to
informationweek.com.
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Thanks for the clarification and the new link, Ian.

--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 10:33:25 -0700, John Corliss wrote...
Thanks for the clarification and the new link, Ian.
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So Fred can extract the newsletter now can he?!
 
In message <[email protected]>, John Corliss

Your "From: " header is broken. Your homework toady is to find out
exactly why that's a damaging, anti-social thing to do.
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because
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....they exist only as a figment of your deranged imagination.
 
Bjorn Simonsen said:
<http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp?corporate=true>
Select "Find updates for Microsoft Windows operating systems" on the
first page, select your OS and Language on the next, then hit search.
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I tried it from the computer at work, a networked and shielded
Win2000. That web page searched for the OS I was calling from, and
then greyed out the selections on the left and said something about
administrators. After a bit of running in circles, I found that if I
clicked on "Find updates..." fast enough, I'd get to the next page.

Otherwise, you don't get anywhere.
 
I tried having one of the bulletins emailed to myself (bottom of the
page), and it only sent me a link to the page, not the bulletin
itself. I suppose if one wanted to ignore the MS copyright notice, one
could save each of those update bulletins to a text file.
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I always try to save the bulletin with the update for exactly this
reason...the cryptic nature of the files. Besides, the updates provide
important information.
 
I always try to save the bulletin with the update for exactly this
reason...the cryptic nature of the files. Besides, the updates provide
important information.
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One can save the bulletin as an html only file, then go in and edit
out the javascript at the beginning of the file (everything between
<Head> and </Head>, although you might want to leave the stuff between
<Title> and </Title> and those two codes).

--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 
One can save the bulletin as an html only file, then go in and edit
out the javascript at the beginning of the file (everything between
<Head> and </Head>, although you might want to leave the stuff between
<Title> and </Title> and those two codes).
Click to expand...

I disagree, it's easier to select text and paste into notepad, then
delete any text you don't want and add in any missing blank lines to
make sure everything can be read easily. If there are tables, then I
do my best to approximate the layout with tabs or spaces. The result
is much a smaller file that I can open with little memory wasted.

I also add the URL at the top, just in case I might want to revisit
the original page, and at appropriate spots paste in any URLs on the
page that relate to the topic.
 
I disagree, it's easier to select text and paste into notepad, then
delete any text you don't want and add in any missing blank lines to
make sure everything can be read easily. If there are tables, then I
do my best to approximate the layout with tabs or spaces. The result
is much a smaller file that I can open with little memory wasted.
I also add the URL at the top, just in case I might want to revisit
the original page, and at appropriate spots paste in any URLs on the
page that relate to the topic.
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That's how I used to do it, but now that I have this newer computer
with two huge hard drives, I don't really worry about file size
anymore. Anyway, the largest of the html files after I processed them
was about 2.5 kb. Not exactly huge.

Yesterday, I downloaded the freeware game "America's Army":

http://www.americasarmy.com/

The download file size was about 650 mb. Heck, the help file (a
separate download) is about 10 mb unzipped and reads like a book. With
this fiber-optic cable connection, it took about 15 minutes to
download both of the files. About the only thing I have against really
huge files is that when you try to defrag your hard drive, it bogs
things down. So I burnt the files onto a CD and deleted them from my
hard drive.

As for processing the html files into text, that's too much work when
you have tables on the side of the page. Cutting and pasting the text
mixes the text in the tables into the main body text. My method
preserves all the formating.

YMMV.

--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 
(e-mail address removed):

<snip the bulk of a generously detailed post, to comment on one small
area...>
If using xxcopy to hard disk it might be necessary to use a boot
manager. I'm not sure. I already had one for Linux. It seems like I
read in the docs somewhere that a clone on D: might affect the
original on C:, but I don't see how. Anyway, my D: is hidden under
normal operations and only visible when I'm using it to copy the clone
back. XOSL is the one that I use.
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First comment, brief: Yes Win9x does get a bit deranged if it sees another
copy of itself. I've witnessed damage when this occurs...but this was
too many yrs ago for me to provide details...so ahead to the basic point
of my post.

I have three w98 primaries and do not use a boot manager. (My laptop lacks
a floppy, so I like to keep things as cautiously simple as possible re: MBR
et al.)

Switching amongst the primaries, and dealing with copying images of one
to another and similar activities -- it comes down to just the active
status together with the visible status.

What I used for a time had been gdisk that came with GHOST (via a couple
single-line batch files since I'm typo-prone). Probably FDISK could be
used, or any in this category, to deal with the visible and active status
of primaries.

And currently I've been using a small, simple GUI thing that comes with
Powerquest products, named pqboot.exe. I imagine that freeware like this
must be available...?

Point is, it is not absolutely necessary to use a boot manager; one
can simplify to just a tool that swithes hidden and active status of
primaries.
 
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