Why Pentium?

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Then you are your own evidence as to why it doesn't matter as
much as the proper cooling components, that they are the priority.
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Separate matter entirely to whether anyone but a fool would include
thermal shutdown in the cpu design WHEN IT COSTS PEANUTS TO
DO THAT AND THAT WILL PREVENT DESTRUCTION OF THE MOST
EXPENSIVE COMPONENT IN MOST SYSTEMS IF THE FAN DOES FAIL.

You cant actually be THAT thick.

You're clearly just being mindlessly argumentative.
 
Yes, it's much more preferable to have your computer shut down without
notice, and lose any work in progress.

(*rolls eyes*)
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Sometime back AMD said they would add that slowdown feature to Opteron
though I don't think they have. AMD's run cool and are super stable, if
they weren't I don't think their sales would have been so good as they
were/are.

Personally I've been running AMD/Nvidia for about the last 6 years and
they work great for me, they never hang, crash or slowdown. I just say
buy what works for you, but I'm not impressed with Intel, their just
like any other company trying to make a buck, their nothing special in
my book.

Cheers,
Ed
 
It would seem from the limited view of 'business software' that you either
work in a rather small company or have little exposure to other aspects of
it. Take, as but one example, this site's listing of (Enterprise)
'business' software solutions. http://www.capterra.com/

A dern sight more than simply "converting documents to printable form."

However, that particular matter is largely moot as the context wasn't which
software packages are called 'business software' but what criteria
companies use in choosing their computers, which brings up what companies
use their computers for.

And, regardless of which subheading in the software catalogue you feel they
should be listed, companies do, among other things, "art, engineering, and
science" in the course of their 'business'.

You're actually making one of my original points; that companies, or maybe
I should have said "smart" companies, buy computers that fit the job.

That's a very limited view of "business computing". As a broad category,
e.g., decision support systems can do some very heavy duty calculations,
whether it be financial analysis or strategic & tactical planning for any
part of a manufacturing business.
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The original post from manny didn't show up on my server so I hope you
don't mind my piggy backing on your reply.
 
krw said:
Nonsense. Executives are *very* careful with their pension plans.
ESRA and all that.


Bullshit! They are responsible for the funds in the EMPLOYEES'
pension plan too. Look up ERISA. This is *very* serious business,
given the dollars in there.
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The law allows a great deal of leeway, and a legally adequate work
is not necessarily quality work. Otherwise there wouldn't be
401(K)s with 2.1% expenses that caused even their money market
choices to lose capital in some years.
Oh, that's why companies have CIOs; to read glossies.


You stupid twit! The CIO doesn't evaluate 401k's. Sheesh, grow up
already.
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They do in small companies.
(BTW, my employer's 401k charges 0.0%)
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Irrelevant, and there's no such thing as a pension without
overhead costs.
Which is irrelevant to the nonsense you're spouting.
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It's irrelevant to you only because it proves that your beloved
financial
collegues don't have to give a damn but can still be within the law.
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You'd only lose more than 10 minutes or so work.

Decent software autosaves periodically.
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You've never done any transcoding or transferred VHS tapes to a digital
bitstream, have you?
Backup software configured correctly monitors changes in document
folders, would see the autosave and back it up.

So what you're actually indicating by that comment is that you're quite
incompetent.
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I'm curious - do you realize that you've made a blithering idiot of
yourself just after you hit the send button; or do you have to wait until
someone much smarter than you (which would be just about anyone) points it
out to you by ramming the ClueBat[tm] up your hemorrhoid-infested
sphincter, ****o?
 
You routinely run large jobs on systems not proven to be
stable? Find a mirror when it's time to scream.
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Sheesh.

It's not a matter of stability, you cerebrally-challenged ****stick. In
case you haven't noticed, what, with being too busy scouting public
urinals for stray pubic hairs and all, fans have a limited lifetime.
Sooner or later they WILL fail, it's only a matter of when.

You and that Connor retard should be forcefully sterilized, before either
of you taints the gene pool any further.
 
Maybe if you lose enough you'll learn to just set a system
up right instead of trying to shift the burden?
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See my other post, you raging pinhead.

I certainly hope that you have a better grasp of your crank than
you do of computer basics.
 
No duh about it, if you have built systems that had CPU
'sink fan failures it was an incompetent build. If merely
citing 3rd party builds, avoid them if they haven't bothered
to set up the system properly for long term use.

In this day and age, a system with a fan failure before the
system is completely obsolete, is defective.
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You're a ****ing idiot. Fans will fail. Fans do not last forever. Even the
best fan in the world will eventually fail.

Got it yet, you ****ing dunce? Or must I have it tattooed backwards on
your thick forehead so you can read it in the mirror?
 
Separate matter entirely to whether anyone but a fool would include
thermal shutdown in the cpu design WHEN IT COSTS PEANUTS TO
DO THAT AND THAT WILL PREVENT DESTRUCTION OF THE MOST
EXPENSIVE COMPONENT IN MOST SYSTEMS IF THE FAN DOES FAIL.

You cant actually be THAT thick.
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Actually, he is. You see, fans run forever in his world, and the best fan
manufacturers have a 0% failure rate.
 
No duh about it, if you have built systems that had CPU
'sink fan failures it was an incompetent build.
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So you're saying that a competent builder can magically increase the mtbf of
cooling fans? Interesting. -Dave
 
I suppose I should feel pity if you can't set a system up
and expect more than a couple years inbetween fan failures?

Good quality CPU 'sink fans implemented with moderate RPM do
not fail in two to three years. Just as one can buy a
crap power supply with fradulent ratings, one could buy a
crap fan with fradulent ratings, but when speaking of good
quality fans, they are rated for 50-100K hours and there is
no reasonable expectation that such a fan will fail within a
decade.
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Keep digging. I hope you speak Chinese. -Dave
 
Trent said:
You're a ****ing idiot. Fans will fail. Fans do not last forever. Even the
best fan in the world will eventually fail.
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Yup. I think he doesn't realize that mtbf is an average, and that the
numbers would be higher if there weren't significant numbers of early
failures. -Dave
 
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Good quality CPU 'sink fans implemented with moderate RPM do
not fail in two to three years. Just as one can buy a
crap power supply with fradulent ratings, one could buy a
crap fan with fradulent ratings, but when speaking of good
quality fans, they are rated for 50-100K hours and there is
no reasonable expectation that such a fan will fail within a
decade.
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I had one of these.....died in 2 months. Stupid thing couldn't keep sifting
flour through the fan grill for baking purposes for more than that.(or was
that cat hair mixed with hair spray can't remember)
 
Actually, he is. You see, fans run forever in his world,
and the best fan manufacturers have a 0% failure rate.
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It appears to be more that he's backed himself into a corner
logically and cant bullshit his way out of his predicament now.

Combined with one hell of a tendency to be mindlessly argumentative.
 
Sheesh.

It's not a matter of stability, you cerebrally-challenged ****stick. In
case you haven't noticed, what, with being too busy scouting public
urinals for stray pubic hairs and all, fans have a limited lifetime.
Sooner or later they WILL fail, it's only a matter of when.
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"Sooner or later" ALL parts of a computer will fail.

Key is that the failure is not unexpected, premature when
the system is needed and still within it's viable lifespan.
It's rather easy to make choices that allow this instead of
downtime, but one has to make those choices actively. Any
kid can put part A in slot B but any kid is not competent to
build systems reliable for serious use. Fans and other
mechanical parts are a necessary concern.
 
You're a ****ing idiot. Fans will fail. Fans do not last forever. Even the
best fan in the world will eventually fail.

Got it yet, you ****ing dunce? Or must I have it tattooed backwards on
your thick forehead so you can read it in the mirror?
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So you too lack the basic knowledge to set up a reliable
system. Failing eventually is not the issue, it's the total
lifespan, whether than failure occurs while system is in use
or has been replaced. Nobody cares if the fan might've
failed had it ran another 4 years if the system was already
so old that it's been retired and sent to the dump. The
importance is then fan selection such that the fan does not
fail while system was needed. This is not a hard thing to
do but apparently you never bothered to try.
 
Trent <[email protected]> wrote
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It appears to be more that he's backed himself into a corner
logically and cant bullshit his way out of his predicament now.

Combined with one hell of a tendency to be mindlessly argumentative.
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I feel sorry for you not being able to even pick a fan
properly, as that has to be the case given this insistance
that it'll fail prematurely.
 
Keep digging. I hope you speak Chinese. -Dave
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It is truely amazing that so many people don't even know the
basics of setting up a reliable system. Fan tech is not new
and it is truely ludicrous that some resist learning how to
do it right and instead just continue arguing. Let us know
if you eventually tire of having to replace fans and feel
guilty about causing system downtime.

If you fit a fan not expected to last > 10 years you are the
CAUSE of a failure. I don't mean expected on average, on
average the lifespan might be twice as long.
 
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