Matt said:Well, good---and just how many IDE devices can you run? Two optical
drives and an IDE drive?
You seem to be intentionally missing the point.
Conor said:FFS...did you read a single thing about what I wrote or are you
incapable of understanding it?
Because the newer drive is faster but it doesn't mean that if there
were a PATA version of it that the SATA would be quicker - the whole
****ing point of my post.
While that's true, at this point it's way premature to be forcing people
to SATA. The installed base of IDE devices is huge, and still many
orders of magnitude greater than SATA.
It's the same stupid "logic" that is causing motherboard manufacturers
to put a grand total of two (and in some cases, ONE) standard PCI
slot on their boards. Utterly useless for everyone I know, but some
people must be buying them.
SATA,
PCI-E,
DDR2,
and on and on,
none
of which were (or are) necessary for doing the things the vast
majority of us do with computers.
Disk drive costs are at a historic low on a $/GB basis.
Like AGP, for the most part, the performance increases of SATA over
PATA are negligble if any at all on a like for like basis.
My, my! Loosing control -- are we?
Excellent. You've managed to read the SATA specs for SATA2. TheThe maximum PATA bus speed is 133MBytes/sec. An SATA is capable of
300MBytes/sec.
FFS...which part of like for like are you lot too thick to understand?DevilsPGD said:In message <62njtgF24kt1kU1@mid.individual.net> Conor
That simply isn't the case if you have a modern drive (try a Seagate
7200.11 750GB -- Yes, the size is important, higher density results in a
faster drive under some circumstances) with NCQ in full SATA-II+AHCI
mode, you'll blow past ATA's theoretical limits, not that you'll ever
see ATA's theoretical limits in practice.
more ide-hardware? Seems it would be >lots cheaper than buying new, sata
drives
drives?.
FFS...which part of like for like are you lot too thick to understand?
Take that drive, shove a PATA interface on it and you'd not notice the
speed difference.
Which one of these drives manages to max out the PATA IDE interface max
data rate of 133MB/s?
OhioGuy said:Hmm, let's see:
1) because we have loads of IDE cables laying around
2) because you can hook 2 drives up to each IDE cable
3) because if you have a full size tower, many of the shorty SATA cables
they ship with a mboard don't even reach
4) and Primarily, there have been some really good deals on brand new
IDE/PATA drives lately. I'm talking about prices 35% cheaper than SATA
for Seagate drives with 5 year warranty. Why wouldn't I go for that?
If you hang out on fatwallet.com or slickdeals.com, you'll see these type
of deals pop up relatively often. It is just annoying to find out that a
motherboard upgrade would, in most cases, make it impossible for me to use
all of the new drives without spending an extra $40 or so. ($20 for a
board with 3+ PCI slots, and $20 for a PCI IDE controller card) All of
that just so the mboard manufacturer can save $1 on their chipset and
manufacturing cost.
DevilsPGD said:Now add in NCQ/TCQ support, hot swapping, and other goodies the SATA
interface brings.
SATA doesn't bring any feature that hasn't existed for 20+ years in
the SCSI domain, and now exists in far superior implementation in
the SAS domain.
SATA doesn't bring any feature that hasn't existed for 20+ years in
the SCSI domain, and now exists in far superior implementation in
the SAS domain.
Go look at any enterprise storage system and you won't see SATA.
Why is that?
OhioGuy said:I suppose, but there are a few problems with this, too:
1) I'd be paying $15 or $20 for a PCI IDE controller
card, just to save the mboard manufacturer 80c
in manufacturing costs. I don't want to encourage
that
2) I already have a PCI modem and PCI TV Tuner card.
Most new mboards only seem to have 2 PCI slots
available. Where does that leave me? Even if I
buy this add in card, I then have to do without
Internet or TV. That's a lousy choice to have to
make. If I want a third PCI slot on my board, it
looks like I get to pay an extra $20 or so.
That's why I'm complaining.
OhioGuy said:I haven't had a floppy drive on any of my systems for 3 years now,
and I'm wondering why in the world motherboard manufacturers are
leaving the floppy drive interface on the boards, but taking off the
second IDE controller?
When upgrading, I find myself with a couple of optical drives, and a
couple of hard drives, all of which are IDE/PATA. I couldn't care
less whether there is a floppy controller on the board, but I truly
miss having the second IDE controller.
The fact that it is lacking essentially forces me to buy SATA drives
that I don't really need.
So why are they doing this?
I suppose, but there are a few problems with this, too:
1) I'd be paying $15 or $20 for a PCI IDE controller
card, just to save the mboard manufacturer 80c
in manufacturing costs.
I don't want to encourage
that
2) I already have a PCI modem and PCI TV Tuner card.
Most new mboards only seem to have 2 PCI slots
available. Where does that leave me?
Even if I
buy this add in card, I then have to do without
Internet or TV.
That's a lousy choice to have to
make. If I want a third PCI slot on my board, it
looks like I get to pay an extra $20 or so.
That's why I'm complaining.
Bill said:Do you have a cite for that 80c cost? Or did you just make it up
to support your argument?
Fair enough.
Installing something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158082
No you don't, see above
Life's a bitch.
Well complain away, but do consider that the manufacturers don't
care, and aren't listening to you, especially if you're only
venting here on Usenet, which they don't read.
Or did you take the time time write to the manufacturers.
No doubt the manufacturers cost/profit analyses have your
particular needs for a motherboard so far down on the curve as to
be not worth their time to fulfill.
Bill