Why are mainboard boxes already opened?

[Rod Speed]

You don't qualify.


But that's not what I meant.


I guess Wal-Mart means everything to you.


You were off on a tangent talking about unwrapped bread. I tend to
follow the subject. Maybe I'm too easy.

So you are just a troll.

Or you got egg all over your pathetic little face, as always.

That's hardly science.

Your silly shit in spades.

I'm just guessing, but do you quote only one level in your replies?

You get to like it or lump it, prat.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mark A wrote

Who wants to buy a loaf of bread that has been exposed to air born germs?

The europeans, obviously.

Small bakeries here don't wrap the bread either but they should, IMO.

Pity about what happens to it before its wrapped and when its wrapped.

 

[Rod Speed]

And bread tends to get stale quickly when exposed.

Wrong again. The crust goes soggy when its wrapped and
those europeans eat the bread the day its bought anyway.

They dont appear to be dying like flys, so
your mindless germ phobia is your problem.

They are no doubt happy you stay away from europe.

I've read two or three different comments on the Internet recently
about keeping plastic items (one was about grass trimmer line) in a
container with a small amount of water to keep it pliable. It's an
interesting concept to me, the idea of keeping plastic items humid
to help keep them from degrading.

No, that doesn't have anything to do with the subject either.
I think someone opened the box and swapped the part.

Or the motherboard manufacturer doesnt bother to seal the box
and you're being as mindlessly paranoid as you are about 'germs'

 

[Senex]

John Doe rattled this off his keyboard on 10/1/2006 :

Considering the fact a mainboard is a very complex part of a
computer that you would want to know is factory fresh, how come
mainboard boxes are not factory sealed?

If that's because configuring has to be done after the factory, how
come the company that configures the thing does not seal the box?

Thank you.

They're just providing good service by eliminating the need to remove
those pesky shrink-wrap thingys and the seals that are so difficult to
get your fingernails under. :')

 

[John Doe]

They are no doubt happy you stay away from europe.

Look who's talking. People from your own country's USENET groups
would be very happy if you stayed away. A brief USENET history
clearly shows that you are a hyperactive chronic insulting troll.

 

[John Doe]

a troll on a rampage, maybe drunk


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You don't qualify.


But that's not what I meant.


I guess Wal-Mart means everything to you.


You were off on a tangent talking about unwrapped bread. I tend to
follow the subject. Maybe I'm too easy.

So you are just a troll.

Or you got egg all over your pathetic little face, as always.

That's hardly science.

Your silly shit in spades.

I'm just guessing, but do you quote only one level in your replies?

You get to like it or lump it, prat.

 

[John Doe]

Nym shifting troll

See also:
"JohnH" <johnh jjss.com>
"Oscar Jones" <oj ojqw.com>


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They basically dont bother on the whole.

There's only so much meaning you can put into a subject line.

The subject line aint the problem.

Maybe you can be my subject line writer.

Or maybe not.

But in fact, more and more things from Wal-Mart and all
other stores are coming in bubble packaging which is plastic.

So you just catch the loaf with your filthy hands?
Yep.

How about all of the other people that have fingered your
bread, no telling where their fingers were before then.

The frogs have never been that mindlessly anal.

Reasonable care has something to do with knowing about disease.

We have an immune system for a reason, stupid.

Dont bother visiting china, they use human shit as fertilizer with food crops.

In my big city, we have very large stores that sell
things you've probably never even dreamed of.
Unlikely.

It's a trade-off I can live with. Besides, I'm not talking about most
things. Most things, electronics and tools for example, are coming
in bubble packaging (which happens to be plastic BTW). I have
noticed the local Wal-Mart does have some cheap tools on the
bottom shelf without packaging, but that's the really cheap stuff.

Wrong again with the bigger tools like hammers etc.

Maybe you are more comfortable with really cheap stuff.

Or maybe you couldnt bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

By the way, why are you trying to turn this into a fight?

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed paranoid fantasys/projections.

If you don't like folks from the United States,

He never said he didnt.

turn on headers and avoid reading them.

Or tell you to go shove your head up a dead bear's arse.

 

[Dylan C]

Who wants to buy a loaf of bread that has been exposed to air born germs?
Small bakeries here don't wrap the bread either but they should, IMO.

Since we're now WAY off topic, I'll contribute, too. I spent 11 months
in Iraq eating food covered with dirt and dust, not to mention my
greasy, oily, and otherwise filthy hands that I used to put the food in
my mouth. Sometimes with silverware, sometimes not. The only adverse
side effect was that my food sometimes had a little extra grit or crunch
to it. I'm sure that your hometown bakery is much more sanitary and you
have very little to worry about.

I agree with the poster that argued for cultural bias. My wife is in
excellent (although drastic) example. When we used to go to the grocery
store, she wouldn't even buy the first can of soup on the shelf. She
had to dig for one in the back that hadn't been touched by as many
people. No rational person behaves like this.

On a more relevent note, I used to work for a small PC shop and none of
our boards came from the distributor shrink-wrapped. Mostly Asus and
Abit if I recall. However, we did shrinkwrap them. This made the
customer feel better and made it easier for us to tell if a returned
item had been opened.

-Dylan C

 

[Dylan C]

They are not "opened". They were never shrink wrapped to begin with.

Wal-Mart has started a new program to get suppliers to reduce the amount of
packaging for products they sell. They have estimated that it will save them
tens of Billions of dollars per year, a significant portion of which will be
reduction in energy usage for shipping and the energy needed to make the
packaging. Maybe you didn't know it, but plastic (including shrink-wrap)
comes from oil.

Quite alot of oil, in fact. It takes two gallons of crude oil (energy
and raw materials) to make one gallon of ABS plastic. Polyethylene, the
stuff that shrink wrap is made of, requires 1.75 kg of oil to make 1 kg
of product. Much of this packaging is used just to make things look pretty.

-Dylan C

 

[John Doe]

More likely, a box is unsealed because it was a return

What brand of mainboard are you talking about that comes sealed?
Thanks.

 

[John Doe]

Since we're now WAY off topic, I'll contribute, too. I spent 11
months in Iraq eating food covered with dirt and dust,

Don't rations come in sealed containers?

not to mention my greasy, oily, and otherwise filthy hands that I
used to put the food in my mouth. Sometimes with silverware,
sometimes not. The only adverse side effect was that my food
sometimes had a little extra grit or crunch to it.

That little extra crunch can damage your teeth. No, I'm not saying
it has or that you noticed if it has.

I'm sure that your hometown bakery is much more sanitary and you
have very little to worry about.

That depends on what sort of dirt and dust you are talking about
versus the sort of contamination that might occur in some hometown
bakery.

I agree with the poster that argued for cultural bias. My wife is
in excellent (although drastic) example. When we used to go to
the grocery store, she wouldn't even buy the first can of soup on
the shelf. She had to dig for one in the back that hadn't been
touched by as many people. No rational person behaves like this.

Sometimes insects/animals trample around and leave their doings on
soup cans.

Talk to people who work in food stores, especially in certain areas
where containers are not properly sealed. Customers will sometimes
open a product and stick their finger in there to get a little
taste, and then close the product and put it back on the shelf.

On a more relevent note, I used to work for a small PC shop and
none of our boards came from the distributor shrink-wrapped.
Mostly Asus and Abit if I recall. However, we did shrinkwrap
them. This made the customer feel better and made it easier for
us to tell if a returned item had been opened.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. You need to know whether the
package has been opened. A consumer like me needs to know whether
you or your other customers have opened the package. That is true
especially in the case of a mainboard since it's an extremely
complex device that can be easily damaged physically like by bending
pins/contacts or destroying circuit board traces. Static electricity
damage can show up after a period of time, it doesn't necessarily
manifest immediately, which can make troubleshooting impossible.

I was just wondering if maybe there was some other reason I didn't
know about, but apparently the answer is because too many
distributors want to mess around and give secondhand/used parts to
their customers without notice.

 

[John Doe]

Mark A wrote:
Quite alot of oil, in fact. It takes two gallons of crude oil
(energy and raw materials) to make one gallon of ABS plastic.

Expecting a 1-1 conversion would be silly.

Plastic is great stuff, you would know if you ever had to make
your own small enclosures.

 

[Agent_C]

Who wants to buy a loaf of bread that has been exposed to air born germs?
Small bakeries here don't wrap the bread either but they should, IMO.

You should see the way restaurants get bread delivered in bulk. Tall
paper bags left at the front door early in the morning. Often not even
closed.

Americans are comical in their 'germ' phobias.

A_C

 

[Kyle]

| Garrot wrote:
| > On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:04:54 -0600, Mark A wrote:
| >
| >
|
| On a more relevent note, I used to work for a small PC shop and none
of
| our boards came from the distributor shrink-wrapped. Mostly Asus
and
| Abit if I recall. However, we did shrinkwrap them. This made the
| customer feel better and made it easier for us to tell if a returned
| item had been opened.
|


Having purchased maybe 50 or more motherboards from various internet
suppliers in the US, it is my experience that none of the boxes are
shrink-wrapped, maybe there is a small sticky seal that must be broken
to open the box, yet of primary importance to me is whether the
motherboard therein is in an anti-static protective bag where the seal
on the bag appears to be untouched. If the anti-static bag looks to
be opened when I purchased a brand new board, I am suspicious and will
not purchase from that supplier again. I find most all reputable
dealers deliver the product as I expect it, in a box with an untouched
anti-static bag seal.

 

[Nigel Brooks]

You should see the way restaurants get bread delivered in bulk. Tall
paper bags left at the front door early in the morning. Often not even
closed.

Americans are comical in their 'germ' phobias.

A_C

You might think it comical.

But I remember growing up in England when the butcher displayed meat in an
unrefrigerated case, the weekly roast was delivered wrapped in butcher paper
by bike, and left at the front door, along with the bottles of milk and
loaves of bread.

I think I prefer things the way they are now.

 

[Rod Speed]

Pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist, definitely on drugs.

 

[Rod Speed]

Pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist that cant even quote properly.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa gmail.com> wrote

Look who's talking.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone
is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

 

[Clint]

Actually, the local store I shop from has a table of returned products,
available at discount. And I've seen things I've returned sitting there on
the table. So while I have no proof that all the items that are returned
make it to this magical table, I do know that some of them do, which is more
than can be said for other vendors like newegg, who have apparently shipped
the wrong product to customers because it was in the wrong box.

With regards to the vendor flashing the BIOS, the local store that I've
dealt with consistently has the cheapest prices compared to the other ones
in town, and even on-line (up here in Canada, anyway). And they flashed the
BIOS for me at no extra charge when I got my Pentium D processor. The
reading I'd done suggested that some revisions of the BIOS couldn't handle
the Pentium D processors, and so I figured better safe than sorry.

And finally, the ASUS boards I got came in a sealed anti-static bag, I
believe. Could be wrong on that one, though. The hard drives were
definately sealed.

Speaking of sorry, sorry for your cynical attitude...

Clint

 

[John Doe]

You should see the way restaurants get bread delivered in bulk. Tall
paper bags left at the front door early in the morning. Often not even
closed.

Americans are comical in their 'germ' phobias.

I wonder if the troll is ever heard of the bubonic plague.