Y
Yoshi
Ah... you are good Tom.
Tom Lake said:
X
xfile
No - final decision.
B
Ben-G
YES. Probably my first OS purchase.
Ben-G
Ben-G
C
Charlie Drake
Yoshi said:
No for at least 18 months
Charlie
M
Mark D. VandenBerg
Yoshi said:
Upgrade - No. Install as a dual-boot - Yes.
J
Jan Il
Yes, you can upgrade and dual boot as well as clean install and dual boot.
I've done them both ways, between various builds of the Vista including RTM,
continually dual booting with my XP Pro SP2, which is my primary OS. I have
the XP on one drive and Vista on a partition on another.
I personally have not yet upgraded the, but, many others have and had not
problems. I continue to dual boot at this time due to the fact that at this
time there are still many vendors who have not provided Vista compatible
drivers or software for devices/hardware and programs that I need, so I must
continue to dual boot with XP Pro and Vista until such time as new Vista
drivers and software updates I need are available.
Hope this helps.
Jan
MS MVP - Windows IE [AumHa]
Data/Comp Technology
www.datacomptech.com
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
I've done them both ways, between various builds of the Vista including RTM,
continually dual booting with my XP Pro SP2, which is my primary OS. I have
the XP on one drive and Vista on a partition on another.
I personally have not yet upgraded the, but, many others have and had not
problems. I continue to dual boot at this time due to the fact that at this
time there are still many vendors who have not provided Vista compatible
drivers or software for devices/hardware and programs that I need, so I must
continue to dual boot with XP Pro and Vista until such time as new Vista
drivers and software updates I need are available.
Hope this helps.
Jan
MS MVP - Windows IE [AumHa]
Data/Comp Technology
www.datacomptech.com
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
B
Brian W
Jan Il said:
An 'Upgrade' DVD will NOT allow dual-booting, simply because to keep the
original OS (XP or Win2000) active after the uprgade will be in breach of
the EULA.
You're RTM Vista install was done using a 'Full' version DVD, which of
course does not requiring a previous OS to qualify for an upgrade. An
upgrade version will only allow a clean or upgrade install onto the same
partition that XP/2000 was installed on. If this is not the case, MS will be
allowing everyone with an upgrade disc to breach the EULA.
I personally have not yet upgraded the, but, many others have and had not
problems. I continue to dual boot at this time due to the fact that at
this time there are still many vendors who have not provided Vista
compatible drivers or software for devices/hardware and programs that I
need, so I must continue to dual boot with XP Pro and Vista until such
time as new Vista drivers and software updates I need are available.
Hope this helps.
Jan
MS MVP - Windows IE [AumHa]
Data/Comp Technology
www.datacomptech.com
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
Jo said:
D
DCR
You'll just have to go through the pain of reinstalling your old OS,
go online, activate (hoping that goes smoothly), and then reinstall Vista!
Which totally sucks --BIG TIME!
Although, I have read posts that say the disk will be bootable and
INSTALL will be unavailable, but you will be able to access the
recovery tools. The silence from Microsoft confirm this has been
deafening
..
DCR
| Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista upgrade should it
| be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever develop or that
| you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or corrupt your boot
| files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean system, etc. Who
| would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
|
| "Brian W" wrote:
go online, activate (hoping that goes smoothly), and then reinstall Vista!
Which totally sucks --BIG TIME!
Although, I have read posts that say the disk will be bootable and
INSTALL will be unavailable, but you will be able to access the
recovery tools. The silence from Microsoft confirm this has been
deafening
..
DCR
| Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista upgrade should it
| be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever develop or that
| you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or corrupt your boot
| files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean system, etc. Who
| would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
|
| "Brian W" wrote:
J
Jan Il
I was talking about the RTM as well.
Jan
MS MVP - Windows IE [AumHa]
Data/Comp Technology
www.datacomptech.com
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
Jan
MS MVP - Windows IE [AumHa]
Data/Comp Technology
www.datacomptech.com
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
Jo said:Thanks for the reply, but I'm not talking about the beta versions, which
are
full versions. I'm asking about the upgrade version that is being sent
for
free (and perhaps, sold, as well) for those who bought new Vista
compatible
computers since Oct. 26. There are all sorts of posts that say that the
upgrade is not a bootable disk and can only be used from within WinXP to
upgrade. Also posts say you can't dual boot and that installation will
void
your old XP license. That means there is no way to reinstall if necessary
due to a non-booting system. Microsoft is probably hoping they'll sell
lots
of full copies after upgraders have a problem they can't solve without the
bootable Vista. They are becoming robbers, in my opinion.
Jan Il said:Yes, you can upgrade and dual boot as well as clean install and dual
boot.
I've done them both ways, between various builds of the Vista including
RTM,
continually dual booting with my XP Pro SP2, which is my primary OS. I
have
the XP on one drive and Vista on a partition on another.
I personally have not yet upgraded the, but, many others have and had not
problems. I continue to dual boot at this time due to the fact that at
this
time there are still many vendors who have not provided Vista compatible
drivers or software for devices/hardware and programs that I need, so I
must
continue to dual boot with XP Pro and Vista until such time as new Vista
drivers and software updates I need are available.
Hope this helps.
Jan
MS MVP - Windows IE [AumHa]
Data/Comp Technology
www.datacomptech.com
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
Jo said:
W
William
Unless you begin with Windows 2000, which does not require activation.
D
DCR
In my case, I can only wish...
I have a full Win2K disk, but this is a brand new computer, and I can't
even find motherboard drivers for a generic XP Pro disk. I'm stuck with
the DVD or hidden partition restore of XP which takes about 45 min.
I'm just going to buy the full Vista to avoid the aggravation.
DCR
| Unless you begin with Windows 2000, which does not require activation.
|
|
| DCR wrote:
| > You'll just have to go through the pain of reinstalling your old OS,
| > go online, activate (hoping that goes smoothly), and then reinstall Vista!
| > Which totally sucks --BIG TIME!
| >
| > Although, I have read posts that say the disk will be bootable and
| > INSTALL will be unavailable, but you will be able to access the
| > recovery tools. The silence from Microsoft confirm this has been
| > deafening
| > .
| >
| > DCR
| >
| > | > | Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista upgrade should it
| > | be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever develop or that
| > | you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or corrupt your boot
| > | files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean system, etc. Who
| > | would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
| > |
| > | "Brian W" wrote:
| >
| >
I have a full Win2K disk, but this is a brand new computer, and I can't
even find motherboard drivers for a generic XP Pro disk. I'm stuck with
the DVD or hidden partition restore of XP which takes about 45 min.
I'm just going to buy the full Vista to avoid the aggravation.
DCR
| Unless you begin with Windows 2000, which does not require activation.
|
|
| DCR wrote:
| > You'll just have to go through the pain of reinstalling your old OS,
| > go online, activate (hoping that goes smoothly), and then reinstall Vista!
| > Which totally sucks --BIG TIME!
| >
| > Although, I have read posts that say the disk will be bootable and
| > INSTALL will be unavailable, but you will be able to access the
| > recovery tools. The silence from Microsoft confirm this has been
| > deafening
| > .
| >
| > DCR
| >
| > | > | Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista upgrade should it
| > | be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever develop or that
| > | you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or corrupt your boot
| > | files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean system, etc. Who
| > | would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
| > |
| > | "Brian W" wrote:
| >
| >
D
DCR
Jo.
AMEN
My sentiments exactly.
DCR
| Is there any assurance that you can reactivate your old OS? None, at all, as
| far as I can see. Microsoft should be taken to court in a class action suit
| if this unfolds the way it appears to be. I can no longer return the system
| I bought, (very short return span of 15 days, with 7 eaten up with shipping).
| I purchased it expecting to be able to upgrade to Vista later (planning to
| dual boot as I did with Beta versions), and now it looks as if I should have
| waited, as I'm not sure I would want an upgrade Vista with so many
| limitations..although the disks that come with most new systems are hardly
| regular os disks and often can't be used for regular repair, only restores to
| the original state. Even that stinks, in my opinion. If you can't install
| the recovery console on your hard drive or get to it on disk, the os disk is
| almost worthless
|
| I also wanted to be able to go back to XP if I find that Vista is not
| functioning well with my hardware and system. If they invalidate your old
| XP, as I've read on this newsgroup will happen, you might not even be able to
| return to the original system, which sucks more than big time!
| > | > | Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista upgrade should it
| > | be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever develop or that
| > | you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or corrupt your boot
| > | files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean system, etc. Who
| > | would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
| > |
| > | "Brian W" wrote:
| >
| >
| >
AMEN
My sentiments exactly.
DCR
| Is there any assurance that you can reactivate your old OS? None, at all, as
| far as I can see. Microsoft should be taken to court in a class action suit
| if this unfolds the way it appears to be. I can no longer return the system
| I bought, (very short return span of 15 days, with 7 eaten up with shipping).
| I purchased it expecting to be able to upgrade to Vista later (planning to
| dual boot as I did with Beta versions), and now it looks as if I should have
| waited, as I'm not sure I would want an upgrade Vista with so many
| limitations..although the disks that come with most new systems are hardly
| regular os disks and often can't be used for regular repair, only restores to
| the original state. Even that stinks, in my opinion. If you can't install
| the recovery console on your hard drive or get to it on disk, the os disk is
| almost worthless
|
| I also wanted to be able to go back to XP if I find that Vista is not
| functioning well with my hardware and system. If they invalidate your old
| XP, as I've read on this newsgroup will happen, you might not even be able to
| return to the original system, which sucks more than big time!
| > | > | Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista upgrade should it
| > | be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever develop or that
| > | you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or corrupt your boot
| > | files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean system, etc. Who
| > | would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
| > |
| > | "Brian W" wrote:
| >
| >
| >
W
William
There is another option....
Stay with XP!
Ask yourself these questions:
Why do I want Vista?
Will I be doing anything different using Vista than I would be doing
running XP?
Is the cost of buying the full edition justified?
What added value are you receiving by purchasing the full edition?
Windows XP Professional still has a lot of life left in it. I has a very
large base of hardware and software that work very well with it. It has
become better through the years. Its support life is not due to end for
several more years which means it will still be a good OS even into the
introduction of the next version of Windows after Vista. There is no
compelling need to rush out and purchase Vista on January 30th when it
is released to the retail market. It is no where near the change as it
was from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95, or even Windows 98 to Windows XP.
Stay with XP!
Ask yourself these questions:
Why do I want Vista?
Will I be doing anything different using Vista than I would be doing
running XP?
Is the cost of buying the full edition justified?
What added value are you receiving by purchasing the full edition?
Windows XP Professional still has a lot of life left in it. I has a very
large base of hardware and software that work very well with it. It has
become better through the years. Its support life is not due to end for
several more years which means it will still be a good OS even into the
introduction of the next version of Windows after Vista. There is no
compelling need to rush out and purchase Vista on January 30th when it
is released to the retail market. It is no where near the change as it
was from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95, or even Windows 98 to Windows XP.
D
DCR
Vista is just so damn PURTY!
(and faster and more responsive too -- in my experience -- and promises better security)
But, Vista is just so damn PURTY!
DCR
| There is another option....
|
| Stay with XP!
|
| Ask yourself these questions:
|
| Why do I want Vista?
|
| Will I be doing anything different using Vista than I would be doing
| running XP?
|
| Is the cost of buying the full edition justified?
|
| What added value are you receiving by purchasing the full edition?
|
| Windows XP Professional still has a lot of life left in it. I has a very
| large base of hardware and software that work very well with it. It has
| become better through the years. Its support life is not due to end for
| several more years which means it will still be a good OS even into the
| introduction of the next version of Windows after Vista. There is no
| compelling need to rush out and purchase Vista on January 30th when it
| is released to the retail market. It is no where near the change as it
| was from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95, or even Windows 98 to Windows XP.
|
|
| DCR wrote:
| > In my case, I can only wish...
| > I have a full Win2K disk, but this is a brand new computer, and I can't
| > even find motherboard drivers for a generic XP Pro disk. I'm stuck with
| > the DVD or hidden partition restore of XP which takes about 45 min.
| >
| > I'm just going to buy the full Vista to avoid the aggravation.
| >
| > DCR
| >
| > | Unless you begin with Windows 2000, which does not require activation.
| > |
| > |
| > | DCR wrote:
| > | > You'll just have to go through the pain of reinstalling your old OS,
| > | > go online, activate (hoping that goes smoothly), and then reinstall Vista!
| > | > Which totally sucks --BIG TIME!
| > | >
| > | > Although, I have read posts that say the disk will be bootable and
| > | > INSTALL will be unavailable, but you will be able to access the
| > | > recovery tools. The silence from Microsoft confirm this has been
| > | > deafening
| > | > .
| > | >
| > | > DCR
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista upgrade should it
| > | > | be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever develop or that
| > | > | you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or corrupt your boot
| > | > | files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean system, etc. Who
| > | > | would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
| > | > |
| > | > | "Brian W" wrote:
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
(and faster and more responsive too -- in my experience -- and promises better security)
But, Vista is just so damn PURTY!
DCR
| There is another option....
|
| Stay with XP!
|
| Ask yourself these questions:
|
| Why do I want Vista?
|
| Will I be doing anything different using Vista than I would be doing
| running XP?
|
| Is the cost of buying the full edition justified?
|
| What added value are you receiving by purchasing the full edition?
|
| Windows XP Professional still has a lot of life left in it. I has a very
| large base of hardware and software that work very well with it. It has
| become better through the years. Its support life is not due to end for
| several more years which means it will still be a good OS even into the
| introduction of the next version of Windows after Vista. There is no
| compelling need to rush out and purchase Vista on January 30th when it
| is released to the retail market. It is no where near the change as it
| was from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95, or even Windows 98 to Windows XP.
|
|
| DCR wrote:
| > In my case, I can only wish...
| > I have a full Win2K disk, but this is a brand new computer, and I can't
| > even find motherboard drivers for a generic XP Pro disk. I'm stuck with
| > the DVD or hidden partition restore of XP which takes about 45 min.
| >
| > I'm just going to buy the full Vista to avoid the aggravation.
| >
| > DCR
| >
| > | Unless you begin with Windows 2000, which does not require activation.
| > |
| > |
| > | DCR wrote:
| > | > You'll just have to go through the pain of reinstalling your old OS,
| > | > go online, activate (hoping that goes smoothly), and then reinstall Vista!
| > | > Which totally sucks --BIG TIME!
| > | >
| > | > Although, I have read posts that say the disk will be bootable and
| > | > INSTALL will be unavailable, but you will be able to access the
| > | > recovery tools. The silence from Microsoft confirm this has been
| > | > deafening
| > | > .
| > | >
| > | > DCR
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista upgrade should it
| > | > | be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever develop or that
| > | > | you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or corrupt your boot
| > | > | files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean system, etc. Who
| > | > | would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
| > | > |
| > | > | "Brian W" wrote:
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
W
William
I love the way Vista looks, it is much better looking that XP. As to
security, I feel quite safe behind my router's hardware firewall, and
running ZoneAlarm Security Suite 6.5 and Windows Defender. If security
were the most important thing to which I would base my decision, then I
would probably be looking at getting an Apple Computer and running OS X
or one of the Linux distributions.
security, I feel quite safe behind my router's hardware firewall, and
running ZoneAlarm Security Suite 6.5 and Windows Defender. If security
were the most important thing to which I would base my decision, then I
would probably be looking at getting an Apple Computer and running OS X
or one of the Linux distributions.
B
- Bobb -
I've been beta testing Vista for about a year and I see no reason to
upgrade.
Re - the upgrade process ...
I just bought an HP laptop with XP Media Center.
What am I gonna endup with if I use the upgrade disk ?
Am I gonna have "Vista Media Center" ? NO.
HP site shows that I'll go from /to:
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 to Windows Vista Home Premium**
So I'll accept the DVD's and put them in the drawer.
Granted I do like the desktop backgrounds (especially the mountains),
but I'll just save them from my beta installs.
Bobb
=====================
upgrade.
Re - the upgrade process ...
I just bought an HP laptop with XP Media Center.
What am I gonna endup with if I use the upgrade disk ?
Am I gonna have "Vista Media Center" ? NO.
HP site shows that I'll go from /to:
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 to Windows Vista Home Premium**
So I'll accept the DVD's and put them in the drawer.
Granted I do like the desktop backgrounds (especially the mountains),
but I'll just save them from my beta installs.
Bobb
=====================
D
DCR
Vista Home Premium DOES include Media Center.
| I've been beta testing Vista for about a year and I see no reason to
| upgrade.
| Re - the upgrade process ...
| I just bought an HP laptop with XP Media Center.
| What am I gonna endup with if I use the upgrade disk ?
| Am I gonna have "Vista Media Center" ? NO.
| HP site shows that I'll go from /to:
|
| Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 to Windows Vista Home Premium**
|
| So I'll accept the DVD's and put them in the drawer.
| Granted I do like the desktop backgrounds (especially the mountains),
| but I'll just save them from my beta installs.
|
| Bobb
| =====================
| > Ask yourself these questions:
|
| > Why do I want Vista?
| > Will I be doing anything different using Vista than I would
| > be doing running XP?
|
|
| > | > | > | > | Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista
| > upgrade should it
| > | > | be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever
| > develop or that
| > | > | you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or
| > corrupt your boot
| > | > | files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean
| > system, etc. Who
| > | > | would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
| > | > |
| > | > | "Brian W" wrote:
|
| I've been beta testing Vista for about a year and I see no reason to
| upgrade.
| Re - the upgrade process ...
| I just bought an HP laptop with XP Media Center.
| What am I gonna endup with if I use the upgrade disk ?
| Am I gonna have "Vista Media Center" ? NO.
| HP site shows that I'll go from /to:
|
| Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 to Windows Vista Home Premium**
|
| So I'll accept the DVD's and put them in the drawer.
| Granted I do like the desktop backgrounds (especially the mountains),
| but I'll just save them from my beta installs.
|
| Bobb
| =====================
| > Ask yourself these questions:
|
| > Why do I want Vista?
| > Will I be doing anything different using Vista than I would
| > be doing running XP?
|
|
| > | > | > | > | Has anyone explained how you can later reinstall that Vista
| > upgrade should it
| > | > | be necessary? MS can't guarantee that no problems will ever
| > develop or that
| > | > | you might want to install a new hard drive, might lose or
| > corrupt your boot
| > | > | files, might need to reinstall just to get back to a clean
| > system, etc. Who
| > | > | would want an operating system that couldn't be repaired?
| > | > |
| > | > | "Brian W" wrote:
|
G
Guest
Will I buy Windows Vista...
At current levels of pricing for Vista (UK)... you must be joking, I (and
probably thousands of others) will NEVER buy it.
At a reasonable fair price I would buy a copy tomorrow.
At current levels of pricing for Vista (UK)... you must be joking, I (and
probably thousands of others) will NEVER buy it.
At a reasonable fair price I would buy a copy tomorrow.
J
Jon
Dave H said:
Use ya noddle and get an OEM copy. Then come and join the party.
J
JP
More crying from Euroland. If it's not the pricing, it's the features (or lack thereof
because of interferring government restrictions/demands) or some other blah, blah.
If you can't afford it, don't buy it. I can't afford a Mercedes, but you don't see me
crying to Germany about how unfairly expensive their cars are.
because of interferring government restrictions/demands) or some other blah, blah.
If you can't afford it, don't buy it. I can't afford a Mercedes, but you don't see me
crying to Germany about how unfairly expensive their cars are.