Vista is truly a pile of dog crap when it comes to SATA drives

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then why cannot you answer your own questions instead of constantly harping on the same problems.



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Not surprising that two of this newsgroup's biggest MORONS agee. My
little finger knows more about computers then the two of you combined.
 
You truly are a world class dummy. Justin is king of the dummies and
daily needs to reprove it.

I can quickly seperate the samrtass posters (like you) from the people
actually wishing and needing help. I do try and have helped them which
is the only reason I bother visiting this group.

You confuse confidence and experience with the typical wannabe types
that post here to merely stroke their already bloated egos. Many of
those type have MVP behind their name. Like you Justin, clowns like
deserve and receive the back of my hand.

That's a whole lot of talk to say a whole lot of nothing.

Going back to the facts!

You never mentioned your mainboard or CPU in the original post so your
"Repeating..." comment was typical of your poor attitude and the main reason
you are not liked here by most AS EXPLAINED by those people themselves (so
save us all the usual "speak for" speech). But you wont address that. You
just keep calling everyone a dummy. Yes ADAM, not just ME, you call
everyone that does not like your attitude a dummy. Anyone that does not
share your exact views has been called a dummy.


"Like you Justin, clowns like deserve and receive the back of my hand."

Like really? Like are you sure? Like oh my god!!! Like NO WAY!!!!

adam has upgraded himself to Valley Girl. I guess that's better then
Resident Clown Beater??? All those poor clowns :(
 
That's a whole lot of talk to say a whole lot of nothing.

Going back to the facts!

You never mentioned your mainboard or CPU in the original post so your
"Repeating..." comment was typical of your poor attitude and the main reason
you are not liked here by most AS EXPLAINED by those people themselves (so
save us all the usual "speak for" speech).

Again you confirm the dummy you are. You have no idea what other
people's opinions are about anything except for the handful that post
which if you knew anything at all is ALWAYS the minority in any
newsgroup. Now if we were to conduct a accurate poll, I can only
imagine the expressed views on numbskulls like you if everyone that's
read your drivel responded. ;-)

As far as what I said, I discussing the same problem in more than this
thread. Foolish of me to assume clowns like you know how to use Google
or even know how to revist older threads with your newsreader if you
already forgot what I said earlier. On one hand you accuse me of
repeating what I said, then you turn around and say I didn't say
enough. Which way will you spin tomorrow?
But you wont address that. You
just keep calling everyone a dummy. Yes ADAM, not just ME, you call
everyone that does not like your attitude a dummy. Anyone that does not
share your exact views has been called a dummy.

No, I've called a few genuine dummies that. You in particular. Get
your facts straight, just once.
"Like you Justin, clowns like deserve and receive the back of my hand."

Like really? Like are you sure? Like oh my god!!! Like NO WAY!!!!

adam has upgraded himself to Valley Girl. I guess that's better then
Resident Clown Beater??? All those poor clowns :(

Typical why I'm guessing many see you Justin as a smartass, dummy and
clown. Of course that's just my opinion, still you endless bitching
confirms it. ;-)
 
As far as what I said, I discussing the same problem in more than this
thread.

WRONG ANSWER! You excuse your attitude because you ASSume everyone reads
ALL your posts? You ASSume that everyone will remember all of you equipment
you have ever discussed?

Or, are you trying to tell us that you've posted this problem before and now
you're just spamming?
Foolish of me to assume clowns like you know how to use Google

Nice! So instead of posting an INFORMATIVE post (which you are not capable
of) you require everyone to use Google and look up YOUR hardware for you?

Hum...sure.
or even know how to revist older threads with your newsreader if you

Nice! Again, you expect everyone to jump through hoops to find YOUR specs?
Why? Because you're too proud to GIVE the information you where ASKED for?

Wow!
already forgot what I said earlier.

That happens a LOT with you.
On one hand you accuse me of
repeating what I said, then you turn around and say I didn't say
enough.

WRONG! You fail once again. This sentence of yours proves hand down that
you do not comprehend what you read. This is so far off from the discussion
it amazes even me.
No, I've called a few genuine dummies that. You in particular. Get
your facts straight, just once.

Few? Ha! A quick search brings up you calling at least 9 people a dummy.
I stopped search after that.
Typical why I'm guessing many see you Justin as a smartass, dummy and
clown. Of course that's just my opinion, still you endless bitching
confirms it. ;-)

Hum...much like your endless bitching about Richard? Classic hypocrite.
 
WRONG ANSWER! You excuse your attitude because you ASSume everyone reads
ALL your posts? You ASSume that everyone will remember all of you equipment
you have ever discussed?

No I assume people that read my posts are interested in the topic. You
of course are just a pain in the ass troll here only to be a pest and
throw insults, that is when you're not busy evaangelizing Vista, then
denying that's what you do. However the truth be known, I do enjoy
kicking you in your stupid ass though, have to admit that. ;-)
 
Adam Albright said:
No I assume people that read my posts are interested in the topic. You
of course are just a pain in the ass troll here only to be a pest and
throw insults, that is when you're not busy evaangelizing Vista, then
denying that's what you do. However the truth be known, I do enjoy
kicking you in your stupid ass though, have to admit that. ;-)

That does nothing to address the issue at hand. Care to try again?

Being interested in the topic has nothing to do with ASKING FOR YOUR SPECS.

Like I said, "you wont address that." You never do.
 
Bill Condie said:
<<I had to tweak a certain setting in my BIOS to force a NForce issue to
go away.

Tell us more. What setting, What issue?

I couldn't install Vista with any form of RAID active. Vista refused to see
the drives. A BIOS update was supposed to have fix it but I haven't
bothered going back to that route yet.
 
That does nothing to address the issue at hand. Care to try again?

Being interested in the topic has nothing to do with ASKING FOR YOUR SPECS.

Like I said, "you wont address that." You never do.

You really are clueless. I've listed the relevant "specs" at least
three times now. I guess we can add poor memory to your list of
"asset's".

Why wouldn't I address it? You never make any sense.

Fourth time:

1. Seagate high capacity SATA drives, a 300 and a 750 GB
2. Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 motherboard, revision 1.0.
3. Running Vista Business
4. Installed all the latest drivers and latest BIOS updates.
5. DID reconfigure BIOS, at least 6 different ways. Doesn't matter.

You want to know what I just had for lunch? A tuna salad, chips and a
coke. That help you Justin?

What I've noticed in no MVP will touch what I said with a ten foot
pole. How is it that a Vista certified MB doesn't perform as
advertised and seems unable to run more than one SATA drive for a MB
that passed certification and proudly displaces that logo on their web
site?

Since you love to pretend to be such a expert, you tell me Justin. How
is that possible?
 
How are the SATA controllers configured, Native or AHCI (Advanced
Host Controller Interface ? Did you remove the Jumper from each drive
that caps it's throughput to the original SATA rate of 1.5 Gigabytes ? Is
the BIOS firmware fully updated ? The 965 Chipset usually handles the
SATA devices very well.
 
Adam Albright said:
You really are clueless. I've listed the relevant "specs" at least
three times now. I guess we can add poor memory to your list of
"asset's".

Wow! What does ANY of that have to do with the fact that in POST 1 you did
NOT post your specs then when asked for the FIRST TIME you gave an attitude
and implied you already did?

Like I said, "you wont address that." You never do.

Now we're going on post 9 and you think because you posted this info AFTER
that fact then everything is null and void? It's not everyone else's fault
it's taken you THIS long to address my initial post and still HAVE NOT.
 
I have a total of 6 drives running in my system. Though it's a Superior AMD
base system so that's probably why (just kidding) Unfortunately, the largest
drive I have is a 400GB, though I do have two of them, Both are Seagates,
even though the one reports as a Maxtor (the switched the labels after the
buy out :)

Anyways, the only problem I had on install that was close to yours, what
that I couldn't have an IDE drive plugged in when I was installing, else it
would tell me whatever drive I chose was available. Unplugging the drive
worked fine and everyworks fine after Vista is up and running.

Note, I do have two drives behind a High-point SATA controller, with the Q
drive being an e-SATA drive. Though I'm sure you would hate to have to just
because Vista is a little gfunky, Any reason why you don't just go with an
Add-in SATA card ? Though I guess I can't confirm that it would work any
better, since I don't have any drives to run in a raid.


My drives list from DXDIAG

Drive: C:
Free Space: 169.5 GB
Total Space: 186.2 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD740GD-00FLA0 ATA Device

Drive: D:
Free Space: 58.3 GB
Total Space: 70.9 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: ST3400620AS ATA Device

Drive: E:
Free Space: 248.6 GB
Total Space: 381.6 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: HPT DISK 0_0 SCSI Disk Device

Drive: G:
Free Space: 211.3 GB
Total Space: 286.2 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: ST3300831AS ATA Device

Drive: K:
Free Space: 188.5 GB
Total Space: 381.6 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: Maxtor 6B300S0 ATA Device

Drive: Q:
Free Space: 54.2 GB
Total Space: 381.6 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: HPT DISK 0_1 SCSI Disk Device
 
How are the SATA controllers configured, Native or AHCI (Advanced
Host Controller Interface ?

Tried Native, AHCI, RAID. Only way both drives are seen by Windows is
in IDE mode. BIOS seems them every which way no matter how the BIOS is
configured which should rule on a BIOS issue. I hate to run out and
buy a seperate SATA controller, since my MB has 8 channels on it. :-(
Did you remove the Jumper from each drive
that caps it's throughput to the original SATA rate of 1.5 Gigabytes ?

Yep, I thought that may have been it, but nope, didn't help.
Is the BIOS firmware fully updated ?

Just days old.
The 965 Chipset usually handles the
SATA devices very well.

It did for me too in XP. <snicker>

Thanks for trying. It just bugs me I paid more for premium drives and
a premium MB to say nothing of coughing up $200 to "upgrade" Windows
and this is what I get. Grrrrr... Then just to show how truly dumb
Windows can be another SATA drive I have in an external box also
worked fine in XP, originally worked fine in Vista, now Windows can't
see it unless I connect this external via USB 2.0, intead of by its
SATA2 connector. More money wasted. I already had several USB
enclosers that ran under USB 2.0 and only bought the new to have the
drive run at the faster SATA2 standard.
 
You may want to add a System Environment Variable:
DevMgr_Show_NonPresent_Devices
Set it's value = 1
Open Device Manager, Click View - tic/check "Show Hidden
Devices". Check the IDE controllers category and also note if there
is an "Other" devices category. You issue sounds like some of the
Chipset drivers aren't recognized properly. Since it's a 965 chipset
I'd go ahead and install the latest from Intel:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/scr...ID=&DwnldID=12150&strOSs=OSFullName=&lang=eng

Vista's Device Manager doesn't illustrate problematic devices quite
as noticeably as in XP.
 
I have a total of 6 drives running in my system. Though it's a Superior AMD
base system so that's probably why (just kidding) Unfortunately, the largest
drive I have is a 400GB, though I do have two of them, Both are Seagates,
even though the one reports as a Maxtor (the switched the labels after the
buy out :)

Anyways, the only problem I had on install that was close to yours, what
that I couldn't have an IDE drive plugged in when I was installing, else it
would tell me whatever drive I chose was available. Unplugging the drive
worked fine and everyworks fine after Vista is up and running.

Note, I do have two drives behind a High-point SATA controller, with the Q
drive being an e-SATA drive. Though I'm sure you would hate to have to just
because Vista is a little gfunky, Any reason why you don't just go with an
Add-in SATA card ? Though I guess I can't confirm that it would work any
better, since I don't have any drives to run in a raid.

Yep, that's pretty much it, I hate to buy a SATA controller card only
to find out it won't work either. I suspect Windows is just getting
confused over something. This MB has a single IDE controller with
support for only channels 0 and 1 or a single Master slave combination
because it has 8 SATA channels. I have Vista installed on a ATA IDE
drive connected to channel 0 on this IDE MB controller and my DVD
burner on channel 1. I even tried disabling the MB IDE controller
totally in BIOS and just plugged in my boot drive into a IDE
controller card thinking that may fix things, but no, no matter what
Vista refuses to accept two SATA drives in the system at one time. It
will accept either the 300 GB or the 750 GB alone. Go figure. Same
driver. So you would think that eliminates any driver issue. So just
from process of elimination it seems there is nothing wrong with the
actual drives, nothing wrong with the BIOS settings and nothing wrong
with the SATA driver. That only leaves Windows. Grrr...

Windows thinks I have some absurd device that has 3 channel 0 and 3
channel 1 on some phatom IDE controller. No matter what I do, I can't
delete these bogus lines. As soon as I try to delete these lines in
Device Manager Vista puts them right back. Its so damn funny to watch.
I don't even have to reboot. I'm deleted one line and I have moved
down to try to delete the next one and before I can finish Vista pops
up the 'found new hardware' window and tries to reinstall the same
bogus IDE line again only to report it failed after trying.

When I turn every SATA feature off in BIOS, then Windows sees the SATA
drives plugged into SATA channels but runs them as IDE. And as other
people have reported for some unknown reason some IDE drives seem to
crawl in Vista when moving files around. I see that too, which is why
I want my SATA drives to be able to run up to speed. Frustrating
doesn't even come close. Then I see some smartass MVP telling me I
must not know how to reconfigure the BIOS. Yea right... sure. <grin>
I'm been involved with electronics since I was six, that's over 50
years ago. I think I figured out how to change a BIOS setting if I
could build a color TV from scratch a few decades back.
 
Wow! What does ANY of that have to do with the fact that in POST 1 you did
NOT post your specs then when asked for the FIRST TIME you gave an attitude
and implied you already did?

Like I said, "you wont address that." You never do.

Now we're going on post 9 and you think because you posted this info AFTER
that fact then everything is null and void? It's not everyone else's fault
it's taken you THIS long to address my initial post and still HAVE NOT.

How many times you need to be reminded I view you as a idiot?
 
You may want to add a System Environment Variable:
DevMgr_Show_NonPresent_Devices
Set it's value = 1
Open Device Manager, Click View - tic/check "Show Hidden
Devices". Check the IDE controllers category and also note if there
is an "Other" devices category. You issue sounds like some of the
Chipset drivers aren't recognized properly. Since it's a 965 chipset
I'd go ahead and install the latest from Intel:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/scr...ID=&DwnldID=12150&strOSs=OSFullName=&lang=eng

Vista's Device Manager doesn't illustrate problematic devices quite
as noticeably as in XP.

Yep, a few new entires, but nothing for IDE showed up. I downloaded
the latest Intel chipset, seems larger then the one on the Gigabyte
site I downloaded earlier, will try tomorrow. TIA.
 
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