Vista GUI

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I'm sure there are some good features in Vista. However your words sound a
little too like the argument on why New Coke, the IBM PC Jr, Microsoft Bob,
the Edisel, and OS/2 are such fantastic products...

The basics of Vista is what will hold it back. Fix the basics, and things
will be better.

When XP came out, it has a different look and feel based on the XP theme.
Fortunately a mouse click or two easily puts it back to the familiar Classic
look that many prefer. Beauty is in the eyes of beholder. The trick is to
be sure the views of beauty are not removed.

Explorer is a complete mess. Admit it and fix it. Stop trying to sell a
dead horse there. Same for UAP. It absoultely needs to default to
something different.

I remember a similar argument on Control Panel settings for power saver
options in the early Win2000 or XP beta days (I don't remember which). At
that time it always reverted to turning on power options that powered down
hard drives, regardless of previous user settings before the upgrade action.
MS folks made impressive arguments on why this was correct, which it was
not. When the dust settled, cooler heads prevailed and power settings were
not defaulted to the new values.

XP has some impressive features, but it's amazing how many rank and file
users are completely unaware of them. I suspect the same for Vista.

In it's current form, the only reason a rank and file user will get it is if
it comes with a new PC. And if it doesnt change, that will generate lots of
business for consultants like us who will be called to put XP back so they
can work the ways they did before.

Ed
 
Andre said:
The changes made to explorer are tremedous in their advantages, you don't
have to be opening dialogs, its right there in front of you, features like
Preview Pane, Explorer Favorite links (improved in 5365), bread crumb menus
which makes it easier to navigate through folders. The built in search which
makes it way easier to find a file. In XP it could have taken forever to
find a file using the old search technology. Now with the new fast search
technology, its a few seconds.

More secure, UAP (still a work in progress) is really a needed feature in
Windows, people need to be protected from themselves, especially with the
continuous barrage of malicious data on the net, UAP prevents you from
installing mistakes on your computer that is commonly happening on XP and
prior versions of Windows. Internet Explorer Protected Mode makes your web
browsing experience safer, AntiPhishing sites can't easily fool you, you
can't easily get infected with Malware because AntiMalware protection is
built right in, plus its part of the OS with Windows Defender. Internet
Explorer is easier to use, features such as TABs, Tab Gallery, subscribing
to your favorite websites are built right in.

Built in collaboration makes it easier to connect up to other people in a
ad-hoc way, you are able to share data easily and more securely. Connecting
to devices is easier, plug it in and it works, (still a work in progress,
but its getting) there. Things importing and managing your photographs,
finding things to do with them, whether its tagging for easier finding,
making a DVD, viewing a slide. Features like burning a DVD, backing up data,
its easy and its built, its still rough around edges, but its getting there,
XP was rough around the edges during this stage of development. But just
knowing its in there, giving you a better more complete out of the box
experience is what really makes Vista really compelling for me personally.

Things like managing your music is way cool in Vista, the new Album preview
feature with the built in search capabilities makes listening to your music
a great experience. Managing e-mail is easier, searching through tonnes of
e-mail again is easier because of the new built in search capabilities,
finding helpful answers in newsgroups is easier because of built in
community feature. AntiPhishing is built in which makes it a safer
experience, new spam filter filter makes cleaning your inbox a rear
occasion, migrating your mail box is easier because of the new Mail store.

Vista will be easier to deploy, this is still a work in progress, but trust
me, its getting there, and I am sure by RTM we will be surprised and say we
were wrong. The new end to end experiences that are being built will surely
make us think so, deploying in multilingual environments or sites will be
easier for companies, BitLocker, Virtual PC Express, Unix Subsystem, (Tablet
PC, 64-Bit, Media Center) bringing it mainstream and opening peoples eyes to
the possibilities of these awesome features. Features like Sidebar, which is
about presenting bits of real time information to people when they need it.

I have not even tapped into the Developer opportunities, to build richer,
more compelling, connected, easier applications with tools such as Windows
Presentation and Communication Foundation. There is so much in Vista, and
last but not least, the clean user interface that is presented through
Windows Aero. I think Glass is sexy stuff, it still needs work especially
things like the ability to differenciate Inactive and Active windows, but I
am sure those are being worked on. There is so much I could post but I am
tired. But I just want to say look at the opportunities, and stop looking at
the temporary issues that will be fixed as development progresses towards
RTM.
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Don't spout the corp line and expect that'll fix everything Andre cause
it won't. Only real changes will save Vista, not paying lip service to
corp/department heads.
I owe nothing to MS therefore I'm unencumbered in my opinion.
Just fix the damn thing!
Frank
 
Pierre said:
Do a Google search for TweakVista ;))
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Get this...I got tweakUI w/95 to install the .inf file and it works!.
Hint, first thing I now do in Vista is turn off UAP!
Frank
 
What we have now for Vista is not even a beta level product. It has way too
many performance and operational issues, not even considering the DOA UI, to
be considered anything other than an early Alpha product.

It's good they got it in front of many, but to call it Beta is just wishful
thinking.

Ed
 
If everyone tells MS it stinks you will see how fast MS will start making it
better....
or self destruct!
 
John said:
If everyone tells MS it stinks you will see how fast MS will start
making it better....
or self destruct!
Click to expand...

I'll try and use little words to help you understand this:

If we all say "it stinks" but no one explains why then MS will not know what
needs to be done to meet your need for "making it better..."
 
You are arrogant, and since you want to play it that way, HERE YOU GO
BUSTER:

I have given very detailed explainations in the past.... but who in MS
listens? NO ONE!

let me give it to you short and simple so your few loosely connected,
malnutritioned brain cells can get the message:

"There is no analysis to give anymore because it just plainly STINKS!"

An analysis will only make them tweak the small problems.
This whole OS needs re-evaluation.. but they wont do it, because
they dont have time!

If they were listening to simple people... they would NOT have
gone on the path they have now...

I see it like a bomb ticking and ready to explode with a spectacular VISTA
of lights... if they dont come up with a miracle,
MS is DOOMED.
 
Erm... it's not much, but I'll happily pass on a suggestion to try and get
more Microsoft folk' in here... it's totally down to the staff themselves as
it's not their place to actually be asked by their bosses to come in the
public newsgroups.

It's worth a try - just because I'm working with the company on one side of
the Atlantic doesn't mean to say they'll listen... but it's worth a try :o)

In the meantime, use the MBC client to file suggestions - more info here:
http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?bugreport

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of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

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Thanks Zack.. I lost it for a moment there,

I know I should not be negative, and
I should not have given robert a hard time....

I will file all my suggestions (if they can get to them that is), just so i
know that
at least I have tried to contribute, at least they can try to fix some easy
things
that are really annoying.

I can just imagine the wave of support calls I will get from older clients
crying out for help when they upgrade... when they will not be able
to do simple tasks that they learned easily in XP.

Like "where is the stupid folder list pane in explorer" lol..... (they said
they will get that back...lets see)
 
LOL - it's their own fault... they made a new OS... :oP
I think half the Windows world will stick with XP for a good while yet :o)

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Zack Whittaker
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» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

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MS is in trouble....

I am afraid they will use "other" tactics to force people to upgrade if they
want some
benefits....

I REALLY hate to say this, but linux is starting to look better and
better....
 
Robert said:
I'll try and use little words to help you understand this:

If we all say "it stinks" but no one explains why then MS will not know what
needs to be done to meet your need for "making it better..."
Click to expand...

Careful Robert, your nose is so far up Mr. Microsoft's arse that your
vision is being blocked, so you can't see all of the great feedback in
this NG about why people are unhappy with Vista right now (which I'm
sure they are reporting through the proper channels). I can't believe
how incredibly haughty and stuck up you are in this group!
 
Andre said:
Linux - try obtaining drivers for your Printer, USB Devices, Sound Card,
Graphics and then you will really know of Linux looks better.
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I run Fedora Core 3, 4, & 5 and have yet to have issues finding drivers
for the hardware I run. Most of it auto detects and installs itself
too. Naturally, you don't want to push the limits with drivers too far
with linux, but if you have common hardware, most distros work fine.
Fedora Core came with most of the drivers on the CD. The rest I could
download from package stores for with minimal difficulty. All drivers I
needed, I found stable versions of. I dunno which distros you base your
opinion on, but you may want to try another one (like Ubuntu or Fedora
Core).
 
mamamia said:
Careful Robert, your nose is so far up Mr. Microsoft's arse that your
vision is being blocked,
Click to expand...

I love how people who don't even know me think they know all about me. Yes
I'm an MVP, but MVP awards are not given out or renewed for acting like a
sycophant.
so you can't see all of the great feedback in
this NG about why people are unhappy with Vista right now (which I'm
sure they are reporting through the proper channels). I can't believe
how incredibly haughty and stuck up you are in this group!
Click to expand...

You obviously don't know me. I am _very_ critical of aspects of Vista I
dislike. I've commented before on how disappointed I am with the features
that have been dropped from Vista, and I've publically asked how many more
have to be dropped before Vista gets renamed "Windows XP SP3".

I've logged concerns about the usability of the Glass interface since I
first got hold of Longhorn betas.

I've complained long and hard about the unusable and gratuitous redesign of
the IE layout.

I want to be sure that people who are obviously very frustrated with these
things articulate them properly. Ranting doesn't help build a case against
these excesses, detailed lists of the exact problems people are seeing do.

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I'm always surprised at "professionals" who STILL have to be asked "Have you
checked (event viewer / syslog)".
 
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