Mikey you continue to be wrong in your understanding of this and Colin and I
have explained it to you about a dozen times. New people--the Vista teams
are mostly made of the thousands of people who worked on XP and 2K.
"since you seem to believe that what ever microsoft does is proper and good,
that would make youj part of the problem."
You must be reading my posts then with a blind fold on if that's been your
perception. I'm not MSFT and I'm not trying to hide from anything. I was
the one person on this group and in your lifetime who gave you the direct
email of the key people in a position to receive your problem at that 60,000
person company so get off your butt and write them.
CH
since you seem to believe that what ever microsoft does is proper and good,
that would make youj part of the problem.
you can see from reading here that there are problems with this STEALING of
the "C" drive letter.
even though windows is on more than 75% of the worlds computer it does not
make microsoft lords of the universe.
installing programs to "C" which "C" is used the real "C" or vista fake "C".
when sharing across partitions, problems arise because of multiple "C"
drives.
still legacy programs that have problems with vista fake "C".
it is not reasonable for microsoft to tell the world to revise their code
without GOOD reason.
for instalnce driver signing is reasonable even if it is aggrivating.
trying to hide from these problems is wrong.
(e-mail address removed)
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
Mikey:
You want change, then get off your butt and talk to the people who can
make
the changes--discussion is welcome and needed here of filing systems and
every other aspect of Vista, but telling us things like Vista is in Beta
and changes can be made as if we're stupid and oblivious to the Vista
testing cycle is a waste of your time.
I'm going to show you where and to whom to direct your energy since you
are
sure features in Vista can be changed that you want changed and you have
informed us with a lightening bolt that it's July 2--that Office 2007 has
backed it's RTM up and maybe Vista will so go for it and be sure and share
your results--I'm urging you to use whatever feedback MSFT has given *you
and alerting you specifically where the file systems are made to talk to
them abou it instead of posting in upper case about what is normal and
what
can be changed.
Pssst--Mikey what's "normal" is to talk to the people who can make the
change when you're passionate about getting changes in a situation, and
see
what they say. Go for it and see below.
1) If you read Colin's posts again, he illustrates with examples in detail
well that this is not a Vista only phenomenon and you are respectfully
just
dead wrong about this being only a *Vista only phenomenon* where if you
boot
your machine from a CD on previous OS's with a multiboot scenario CD or
do
a pure Vista DVD boot, Vista gets its marching orders from the bios--it
takes the disk order from the Bios and assigns the letters that way.
Again, again if you *run the Vista setup from within your XP boot*, Vista
is
going to use the partition assignments from XP every time and the drive
letters will be mapped the way they are in XP. My information is you can
also set drive letters using an unattend.xml by h aving it named
autounattend.xml See Jerry Honeycutt's article for this:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvi...y/depenhnc.mspx XImage,
mount
as folder, direct editing, ... XML answer filesXImage, mount as folder,
direct editing, ... XML answer files For this see also: Windows
Automated
Installation Kit (WAIK) User's Guide for Windows Vista Brief Description:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...7d-f12c-4676-917f-05d9de73ada4&DisplayLang=en
As far as what is "normal" and what is not, I'm not a file systems
specialist at all, and many on here have a deeper knowledge of how the
file
systems in Windows work and how the setup and Core File Systems teams
implement them. I don't think it's the same thing as sending serum to the
lab and trying to compare a range of normal values.
2) Most of us here are aware of how 'feature additions', bugs, and how
"revisions" take place where thousands of people literally are working on
Vista at Redmond and you don't have to convince us that this is a work in
progress. To that end, if you are passionate about this, you need to
direct
your energies towards convincing the people who can make the changes you
want happen. On this group we welcome the discussion, but we aren't the
ones you have to convince to make a change. You have to use whatever
feedback mechanisms are available to you and the people who would be
making
changes are on File System Teams. You might want to also raise this on
their blogs and communicate what you want to happen to *them.* We told
you
that this was bugged a ton early on. You say it can change, then direct
your efforts to the people who can change it.
The people who can change this or who at least know exactly why the file
system assignments are made, and who know the personnel who work on this
participate in blogs like these:
http://blogs.msdn.com/chkdsk/
http://blogs.msdn.com/because_we_can/
What's In Store
http://blogs.msdn.com/winfs/archive/2006/06/23/644706.aspx
Use the email link; sign in and direct your comments to them.
Note on these blogs there is a link to email. Note you can sign in and
make
comments. So why not email your suggestions directly to the Core File
systems team at Redmond--Jill Zoeller is the Community PM for that team;
Dana Groffs PM for Core File Systems Contact them instead of telling us
how
it can be changed. Talk directly with the people who do it. Hit that
email
button on these blogs. and let 'em know you're Mikey and here's the way
you
want things and you want to know why they aren't the way you want them and
what their rationale is instead of putting the big letters in our face and
preaching to the choir about how changes can be made in Windows Vista.
Email Jill at: (e-mail address removed) with your suggestions on drive letter
assignments. Tell her you want to know where to direct them. She at
least
can guide you as to specifically where.
Her blog is The Filing Cabinet
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/Default.aspx?p=5&Ajax_CallBack=true
It has an email mechanim right at the top.
Ball is in the court of ole Mikey now. Make your contacts and make your
case Mikey to the people who assign those letters and since the code isn't
finalized as you've informed me, be sure and let us know what you find
out.
Let us know how they define normal vis a vis your definition of normal,
and
be sure and let them know you've been following Windows since 1.0 and that
you think they've pulled the rug out from under you in Vista. Get this
all
hashed out with them. Also tell them what you told us:
******"not over till code is finalized.and IT IS NOT NORMALthis is the
first
os that does this.
back from WINDOWS 1(ONE) this has never happened till vista.just like
search
is being revised, so can this."****
Good luck--I eagerly await your results taking it to the horse's mouth.
Let
us know what Dana, Jill, and their collegues tell you.
I think the phrase is "Ball squarely in Mikey's court now."
CH
not over till code is finalized.
and IT IS NOT NORMAL
this is the first os that does this.
back from WINDOWS 1(ONE) this has never happened till vista.
just like search is being revised, so can this.
(e-mail address removed)
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
Yo Mikey--
The complaints were filed by the ton load yessiree by TBTs as soon as
they
got their hands on setup and the setup team said it ain't changing; it's
by
design and they explained and I recapitulated how you can control things
two
ways already.
IT IS THEIR BEHAVIOR; THIS IS A BIG BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT BACK IN
JUNE -SEPTEMBER AND THE SETUP TEAM RESPONDED. HOW BOUT THEM BIG LETTERS.
LOL
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT "NORMAL" BUT IT AINT' CHANGING--AND IT'S NOT UNIQUE
TO
VISTA WHICH HAS BEEN STATED ABOUT 3000 TIMES ON THIS THREAD.
The setup team said this is the way they have it and are keeping it this
way
about 9-10 months ago. File all the bugs you like. But it's long ago
been
closed as a bug.
CH
if you install by booting from DVD, vista STEALS "C" drive letter.
if you install by running the setup from another OS, then VISTA takes
the
drive letter you assign.
file a complaint with ms on this behavior. many others have done so
already.
maybe enough will do to make them chance this bhavior.
AND NO IT IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR.
(e-mail address removed)
Hi - I reinstalled Vista on my multi-boot (98SE - XP Pro SP2 - Vista
Beta
2
Build 5384) computer. The partition I have for Vista is labeled N.
When I originally installed Vista to N, Vista correctly reported that
it
was
installed on the N partition. Windows XP and Partition Magic 8 also
report
that Vista is installed on N.
However, since the reinstallation, Vista is now reporting that it is
on
the
C partition, even though XP and Partition Magic 8 are reporting it as
being
installed on the N partition.
When I reinstalled Vista (two times now), I selected N as the target
partition. It certainly can't be installed on my C partition because
that
is only about 750MB in size. C partition holds the boot loader for
all
three OSs, because that is where Windows dumps them.
Because Vista thinks it is on C, I can't change the drive letter using
the
disk management tool even when I turn off pagefile.
Question: How can I change the drive letter within Vista to reflect
its
proper location? How do I change it from C to N?
I am more than willing to reinstall Vista to get this corrected.
Thanks
Joe
P.S. I formatted my N partition with Partition Magic 8 - NTFS as I did
when
I originally installed Vista.
