Trying to PreOrder Vista Ultimate x64

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Well, I finally got in and submitted my order. I was told that I would
receive my order in 7 to 10 days. I was hoping to download immediately.
Guess not, huh?

Thanks for the lawyer advice. I was thinking the contract would apply as
stated now. I trust MS. Most people on the Internet knock them but I have no
reason to put them down for anything (but I sometimes wonder exactly what
information they get from me via my computer).
 
Are you allowed multiple downloads of each item (say 64-bit Vista)? Are
you allowed to obtain a PK for each version of Vista? Of MS Office 2007?
Are you allowed to obtain more than one PK for an individual item (say,
Vista Ultimate)?
 
He's getting annoying about it. One can't mention Technet or MSDN without
him implying you're stealing.

Technet and MSDN are there, we subscribe and we actually do study -
test -evaluate - and develop. I doubt he's running a full retail copy of
Vista - they are not even out yet - so I wish he'd bit bucket the
holier-than thou cr*p.

Saucy


Robert Blacher said:
I think I was just spanked again. Should we rename this the S&M newsgroup?

Microsoft is *not* naïve. TechNet Plus Direct benefits them enormously by
letting "early adopters" help create good buzz for their soon-to-be
released products. Those of us in the position of recommending major
corporate purchases are also welcome I am sure.

These posts are too obscure for non-techies (I purposely didn't speak in
English though I may have come a little too close in the first post in
this thread last night when I was tired), TechNet Plus itself has an
amazingly difficult to navigate interface -- I see msgs from *paid
subscribers* all the time saying "I know Vista RTM is there somewhere, but
where?" -- O.K. I STFU again.

I have read your posts for months, Colin, as a (usually) quiet reader of
this newsgroup. I respect you too much to flame you. We may have a slight
difference of opinion as to MSFT's purpose in putting these downloads on
TechNet Plus (and MSDN with which I am less familiar). But, that's what
makes free markets, even free markets of ideas.

P.S. Ditto to Dale. I hope my earlier post wasn't too far out of line.
I apologize.

Colin Barnhorst said:
Correct. Obvioulsy, TechNet subscribers have agreed to abide by an honor
system that sometimes is not honored.

Walter Blanchard said:
Isn't the fact that the versions are *for evaluation purposes*
effectively prohibit their use on production machines?

--

______________________________

Walter B
walterb[at]tampabay[dot]rr[dot]com
______________________________


Your comments seem exactly right to me, Saucy.

As it stands, TechNet is getting VERY overloaded. I'm sure MS will add
bandwidth/servers/etc. as time goes along. The Microsoft File Transfer
Manager that you *must* use (right?) is embarrassingly crude compared
to free/shareware/commercial equivalent download managers. And 50-70
kb/s per file (4 files at the same time max) is ludicrously slow --
perhaps those speeds are a result of the overcrowding right now and the
rather large op sys downloads.

All that being said, at *this* moment in the MS product cycle, the
TechNet Plus direct download membership fee seems an incredible
bargain. So, we'll just keep it our little secret. :-)

I did the same and pour over Vista looking at the features and study
it. I'm not too interested in Office other than for email, but I
install that anyway too out of curiosity.

And you are right, it is the golden goose. I use MSDN and Technet
stuff for a variety of purposes including developing, studying,
testing etc. etc. I also have "retail" and "oem " OS and productivity
software from Microsoft.

Now should you keep it QT (Quiet)? Hm .. well it is a bit the golden
goose. I would offer the advice only if the poster seems a serious
type. If they seem crazed, just tell them to wait for January. If they
seem legit .. then suggest Technet etc. -- but that's just my advice
[which most people seem to leave rather than take]. In other words, if
you value the opportunity Technet affords, then treat it with respect,
right?


I have been SOOOOOOO resisting saying what I am about to say. What
the heck:

You want a fully licensed, RTM version of Vista in 48 hours?

Subscribe to Microsoft's TechNet Plus Direct ($349 US plus tax for
the first year) and download both DVDs -- the 64-bit version (which
includes Ultimate and the lesser versions depending on which key you
use) and the 32-bit ISO (ditto for versions). And, you'll get keys
for all versions which are not in any way crippled or time limited.

The EULA says you may use TechNet direct downloads *for evaluation
purposes* and activate each *version* on up to 10 computers. As a
lawyer who knows MS can write a killer EULA when they want to, that
vague language is not likely to be a mistake. If it is, act soon
before MS's General Counsel reads this newsgroup (as I am sure he
does in his spare time) and re-writes the thing.

For fear of killing the golden goose, I'm not going to go on about
what a bargain Technet Direct Plus is at this moment in the Microsoft
product cycle. Er, but Office 2007 Ultimate RTM is there, too.

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with TechNet Plus other than being a
(recently) paid subscriber.



I'm looking at various vendors to get a copy of Vista Ultimate x64 -
but I'm concerned that I will only get the x86 version! There are a
plethora of rumours about whether or not the DVD will include the
x64 version and I'm really not sure who to believe!

The Microsoft site doesn't help nor do the vendors.
There's no point buying an x86 Vista Ultimate DVD, it would simply
be a waste of shelf-sapce!

Can anyone point me to a page that clears up this confusion?

TIA
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You don't need multiple downloads. You only ever need one download for x86
and one for x64. Everything else is driven by the product keys. On MSDN,
for example, I have four PK's for Vista. They are for each of the four
editions and the same key works for both the x86 and x64 versions of a given
edition. Each MSDN PK allows activation on ten machines. Reactivation on
the same machine does not count further against the ten.

I have even used MSDN media and a retail PK to install a copy of Vista.
 
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general news group, Saucy
I doubt he's running a full retail copy of
Vista - they are not even out yet - so I wish he'd bit bucket the
holier-than thou cr*p.
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Technical beta testers who submitted a bug were provided with a
free RTM copy of Vista, so yes, it is out already. Not to
mention that it is also available to businesses and Microsoft
Certified Partners have extensions to their MSDN agreements that
allow them usage rights above and beyond the test/development
rights granted by the MSDN EULA.
 
Yes, I am running a full retail edition of Vista. I received it from MS at
the end of the TechBeta Vista program along with a few thousand other
testers. The product key is a retail full edition key and can be activated
on one computer at a time. The only restriction on the TechBeta freebies is
that they are Not For Resale copies, the same as MS hands out at conferences
and sells at discount to employees in the company store. The EULA permits
personal use.

Saucy said:
He's getting annoying about it. One can't mention Technet or MSDN without
him implying you're stealing.

Technet and MSDN are there, we subscribe and we actually do study -
test -evaluate - and develop. I doubt he's running a full retail copy of
Vista - they are not even out yet - so I wish he'd bit bucket the
holier-than thou cr*p.

Saucy


Robert Blacher said:
I think I was just spanked again. Should we rename this the S&M
newsgroup?

Microsoft is *not* naïve. TechNet Plus Direct benefits them enormously
by letting "early adopters" help create good buzz for their soon-to-be
released products. Those of us in the position of recommending major
corporate purchases are also welcome I am sure.

These posts are too obscure for non-techies (I purposely didn't speak in
English though I may have come a little too close in the first post in
this thread last night when I was tired), TechNet Plus itself has an
amazingly difficult to navigate interface -- I see msgs from *paid
subscribers* all the time saying "I know Vista RTM is there somewhere,
but where?" -- O.K. I STFU again.

I have read your posts for months, Colin, as a (usually) quiet reader of
this newsgroup. I respect you too much to flame you. We may have a
slight difference of opinion as to MSFT's purpose in putting these
downloads on TechNet Plus (and MSDN with which I am less familiar). But,
that's what makes free markets, even free markets of ideas.

P.S. Ditto to Dale. I hope my earlier post wasn't too far out of line.
I apologize.

Colin Barnhorst said:
Correct. Obvioulsy, TechNet subscribers have agreed to abide by an
honor system that sometimes is not honored.

Isn't the fact that the versions are *for evaluation purposes*
effectively prohibit their use on production machines?

--

______________________________

Walter B
walterb[at]tampabay[dot]rr[dot]com
______________________________


Your comments seem exactly right to me, Saucy.

As it stands, TechNet is getting VERY overloaded. I'm sure MS will
add bandwidth/servers/etc. as time goes along. The Microsoft File
Transfer Manager that you *must* use (right?) is embarrassingly crude
compared to free/shareware/commercial equivalent download managers.
And 50-70 kb/s per file (4 files at the same time max) is ludicrously
slow -- perhaps those speeds are a result of the overcrowding right
now and the rather large op sys downloads.

All that being said, at *this* moment in the MS product cycle, the
TechNet Plus direct download membership fee seems an incredible
bargain. So, we'll just keep it our little secret. :-)

I did the same and pour over Vista looking at the features and study
it. I'm not too interested in Office other than for email, but I
install that anyway too out of curiosity.

And you are right, it is the golden goose. I use MSDN and Technet
stuff for a variety of purposes including developing, studying,
testing etc. etc. I also have "retail" and "oem " OS and productivity
software from Microsoft.

Now should you keep it QT (Quiet)? Hm .. well it is a bit the golden
goose. I would offer the advice only if the poster seems a serious
type. If they seem crazed, just tell them to wait for January. If
they seem legit .. then suggest Technet etc. -- but that's just my
advice [which most people seem to leave rather than take]. In other
words, if you value the opportunity Technet affords, then treat it
with respect, right?


I have been SOOOOOOO resisting saying what I am about to say. What
the heck:

You want a fully licensed, RTM version of Vista in 48 hours?

Subscribe to Microsoft's TechNet Plus Direct ($349 US plus tax for
the first year) and download both DVDs -- the 64-bit version (which
includes Ultimate and the lesser versions depending on which key you
use) and the 32-bit ISO (ditto for versions). And, you'll get keys
for all versions which are not in any way crippled or time limited.

The EULA says you may use TechNet direct downloads *for evaluation
purposes* and activate each *version* on up to 10 computers. As a
lawyer who knows MS can write a killer EULA when they want to, that
vague language is not likely to be a mistake. If it is, act soon
before MS's General Counsel reads this newsgroup (as I am sure he
does in his spare time) and re-writes the thing.

For fear of killing the golden goose, I'm not going to go on about
what a bargain Technet Direct Plus is at this moment in the
Microsoft product cycle. Er, but Office 2007 Ultimate RTM is there,
too.

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with TechNet Plus other than being
a (recently) paid subscriber.



I'm looking at various vendors to get a copy of Vista Ultimate
x64 - but I'm concerned that I will only get the x86 version! There
are a plethora of rumours about whether or not the DVD will include
the x64 version and I'm really not sure who to believe!

The Microsoft site doesn't help nor do the vendors.
There's no point buying an x86 Vista Ultimate DVD, it would simply
be a waste of shelf-sapce!

Can anyone point me to a page that clears up this confusion?

TIA
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Well, "for evaluation purposes" is not "for production purposes." Perhaps
you need an English degree.

And to suggest to another that they use the TechNet license to avoid paying
license fees shows, in my opinion, that you absolutely do view this use as
for other than evaluation purposes. You're not complying with the letter or
the spirit of the agreement, as far as I am concerned.

Now, you can feel free to respond if you choose, but flame or otherwise, I
am not going to reply. It is clear already that you are, in my opinion, a
thief and that you know you're a thief. My post was intended to make clear
to the person you appeared to me to be encouraging to steal as I believe you
are, that what you appear to be encouraging them to do is dishonest. It
wasn't meant as chastisement at all to you. You are already comfortable
with your guilt. There's nothing I could do or care to do about that.

Goodnight.

Dale
 
I'd have to double-check -- and I am too lazy to do so right now -- but I
think I got my email with my subscriber ID back in 24-48 hours after I
subscribed. I *think* the 7-10 days applies to the other TechNet Plus
subscriptions, not TechNet Plus Direct -- which cost more because they mail
you monthly CDs (I think!). I had no interest in that.

I did *NOT* give you any legal advice! And, if I did, please send me your
snail mail address so I can send you a bill which I *promise* you will cost
a helluva lot more than a TechNet Plus subscription!
 
Thanks, Colin.


Colin said:
You don't need multiple downloads. You only ever need one download for
x86 and one for x64. Everything else is driven by the product keys. On
MSDN, for example, I have four PK's for Vista. They are for each of the
four editions and the same key works for both the x86 and x64 versions
of a given edition. Each MSDN PK allows activation on ten machines.
Reactivation on the same machine does not count further against the ten.

I have even used MSDN media and a retail PK to install a copy of Vista.
Click to expand...
 
Yes, yes, no.

Daze N. Knights said:
Are you allowed multiple downloads of each item (say 64-bit Vista)? Are
you allowed to obtain a PK for each version of Vista? Of MS Office 2007?
Are you allowed to obtain more than one PK for an individual item (say,
Vista Ultimate)?
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Not honored by those who are without honor.

Dale

Colin Barnhorst said:
Correct. Obvioulsy, TechNet subscribers have agreed to abide by an honor
system that sometimes is not honored.

Walter Blanchard said:
Isn't the fact that the versions are *for evaluation purposes*
effectively prohibit their use on production machines?

--

______________________________

Walter B
walterb[at]tampabay[dot]rr[dot]com
______________________________


Robert Blacher said:
Your comments seem exactly right to me, Saucy.

As it stands, TechNet is getting VERY overloaded. I'm sure MS will add
bandwidth/servers/etc. as time goes along. The Microsoft File Transfer
Manager that you *must* use (right?) is embarrassingly crude compared to
free/shareware/commercial equivalent download managers. And 50-70 kb/s
per file (4 files at the same time max) is ludicrously slow -- perhaps
those speeds are a result of the overcrowding right now and the rather
large op sys downloads.

All that being said, at *this* moment in the MS product cycle, the
TechNet Plus direct download membership fee seems an incredible bargain.
So, we'll just keep it our little secret. :-)

I did the same and pour over Vista looking at the features and study it.
I'm not too interested in Office other than for email, but I install
that anyway too out of curiosity.

And you are right, it is the golden goose. I use MSDN and Technet stuff
for a variety of purposes including developing, studying, testing etc.
etc. I also have "retail" and "oem " OS and productivity software from
Microsoft.

Now should you keep it QT (Quiet)? Hm .. well it is a bit the golden
goose. I would offer the advice only if the poster seems a serious
type. If they seem crazed, just tell them to wait for January. If they
seem legit .. then suggest Technet etc. -- but that's just my advice
[which most people seem to leave rather than take]. In other words, if
you value the opportunity Technet affords, then treat it with respect,
right?


I have been SOOOOOOO resisting saying what I am about to say. What the
heck:

You want a fully licensed, RTM version of Vista in 48 hours?

Subscribe to Microsoft's TechNet Plus Direct ($349 US plus tax for the
first year) and download both DVDs -- the 64-bit version (which
includes Ultimate and the lesser versions depending on which key you
use) and the 32-bit ISO (ditto for versions). And, you'll get keys
for all versions which are not in any way crippled or time limited.

The EULA says you may use TechNet direct downloads *for evaluation
purposes* and activate each *version* on up to 10 computers. As a
lawyer who knows MS can write a killer EULA when they want to, that
vague language is not likely to be a mistake. If it is, act soon
before MS's General Counsel reads this newsgroup (as I am sure he does
in his spare time) and re-writes the thing.

For fear of killing the golden goose, I'm not going to go on about
what a bargain Technet Direct Plus is at this moment in the Microsoft
product cycle. Er, but Office 2007 Ultimate RTM is there, too.

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with TechNet Plus other than being a
(recently) paid subscriber.



I'm looking at various vendors to get a copy of Vista Ultimate x64 -
but I'm concerned that I will only get the x86 version! There are a
plethora of rumours about whether or not the DVD will include the x64
version and I'm really not sure who to believe!

The Microsoft site doesn't help nor do the vendors.
There's no point buying an x86 Vista Ultimate DVD, it would simply be
a waste of shelf-sapce!

Can anyone point me to a page that clears up this confusion?

TIA
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Oh, dear, I hope Colin has his flame suit on when he reads that.

I'm gonna pass. You and I understand each other.


Saucy said:
He's getting annoying about it. One can't mention Technet or MSDN without
him implying you're stealing.

Technet and MSDN are there, we subscribe and we actually do study -
test -evaluate - and develop. I doubt he's running a full retail copy of
Vista - they are not even out yet - so I wish he'd bit bucket the
holier-than thou cr*p.

Saucy


Robert Blacher said:
I think I was just spanked again. Should we rename this the S&M
newsgroup?

Microsoft is *not* naïve. TechNet Plus Direct benefits them enormously
by letting "early adopters" help create good buzz for their soon-to-be
released products. Those of us in the position of recommending major
corporate purchases are also welcome I am sure.

These posts are too obscure for non-techies (I purposely didn't speak in
English though I may have come a little too close in the first post in
this thread last night when I was tired), TechNet Plus itself has an
amazingly difficult to navigate interface -- I see msgs from *paid
subscribers* all the time saying "I know Vista RTM is there somewhere,
but where?" -- O.K. I STFU again.

I have read your posts for months, Colin, as a (usually) quiet reader of
this newsgroup. I respect you too much to flame you. We may have a
slight difference of opinion as to MSFT's purpose in putting these
downloads on TechNet Plus (and MSDN with which I am less familiar). But,
that's what makes free markets, even free markets of ideas.

P.S. Ditto to Dale. I hope my earlier post wasn't too far out of line.
I apologize.

Colin Barnhorst said:
Correct. Obvioulsy, TechNet subscribers have agreed to abide by an
honor system that sometimes is not honored.

Isn't the fact that the versions are *for evaluation purposes*
effectively prohibit their use on production machines?

--

______________________________

Walter B
walterb[at]tampabay[dot]rr[dot]com
______________________________


Your comments seem exactly right to me, Saucy.

As it stands, TechNet is getting VERY overloaded. I'm sure MS will
add bandwidth/servers/etc. as time goes along. The Microsoft File
Transfer Manager that you *must* use (right?) is embarrassingly crude
compared to free/shareware/commercial equivalent download managers.
And 50-70 kb/s per file (4 files at the same time max) is ludicrously
slow -- perhaps those speeds are a result of the overcrowding right
now and the rather large op sys downloads.

All that being said, at *this* moment in the MS product cycle, the
TechNet Plus direct download membership fee seems an incredible
bargain. So, we'll just keep it our little secret. :-)

I did the same and pour over Vista looking at the features and study
it. I'm not too interested in Office other than for email, but I
install that anyway too out of curiosity.

And you are right, it is the golden goose. I use MSDN and Technet
stuff for a variety of purposes including developing, studying,
testing etc. etc. I also have "retail" and "oem " OS and productivity
software from Microsoft.

Now should you keep it QT (Quiet)? Hm .. well it is a bit the golden
goose. I would offer the advice only if the poster seems a serious
type. If they seem crazed, just tell them to wait for January. If
they seem legit .. then suggest Technet etc. -- but that's just my
advice [which most people seem to leave rather than take]. In other
words, if you value the opportunity Technet affords, then treat it
with respect, right?


I have been SOOOOOOO resisting saying what I am about to say. What
the heck:

You want a fully licensed, RTM version of Vista in 48 hours?

Subscribe to Microsoft's TechNet Plus Direct ($349 US plus tax for
the first year) and download both DVDs -- the 64-bit version (which
includes Ultimate and the lesser versions depending on which key you
use) and the 32-bit ISO (ditto for versions). And, you'll get keys
for all versions which are not in any way crippled or time limited.

The EULA says you may use TechNet direct downloads *for evaluation
purposes* and activate each *version* on up to 10 computers. As a
lawyer who knows MS can write a killer EULA when they want to, that
vague language is not likely to be a mistake. If it is, act soon
before MS's General Counsel reads this newsgroup (as I am sure he
does in his spare time) and re-writes the thing.

For fear of killing the golden goose, I'm not going to go on about
what a bargain Technet Direct Plus is at this moment in the
Microsoft product cycle. Er, but Office 2007 Ultimate RTM is there,
too.

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with TechNet Plus other than being
a (recently) paid subscriber.



I'm looking at various vendors to get a copy of Vista Ultimate
x64 - but I'm concerned that I will only get the x86 version! There
are a plethora of rumours about whether or not the DVD will include
the x64 version and I'm really not sure who to believe!

The Microsoft site doesn't help nor do the vendors.
There's no point buying an x86 Vista Ultimate DVD, it would simply
be a waste of shelf-sapce!

Can anyone point me to a page that clears up this confusion?

TIA
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Mentioning you in the thread about "in my opinion" was just a joke related
to that particular subject. While I, as a non-attorney and a fan of Perry
Mason might give legal advice, I was just joking that you probably wouldn't
give an official opinion on the "in my opinion" topic, though I would like
to hear what you say about that.

Dale
 
You'll probably get an email with membership information in one to two
business days and will be able to download your "for evaluation purposes
only" software at that time.

Dale
 
I did *NOT* give you any legal advice! And, if I did, please send me your
snail mail address so I can send you a bill which I *promise* you will
cost a helluva lot more than a TechNet Plus subscription!
Click to expand...

You definitely did not give me any legal advice!

Still, thanks for the posts and making me aware of the Technet Direct Plus.
I await my download information.
 
Quite frankly I don't care where Colin got his copy - for all I know he
snagged it - but he can cut the holier-than thou nonsense 'cause it's
annoying.
 
Don't pay any attention to that crap. Things don't stay still .. Microsoft
people know that. Studying and developing for all this different stuff would
be impossible w/o Technet and MSDN - isn't SQL Server $20,000 USD alone?
Yeah, sure. These trolls just want to make you feel bad over nothing.

Now if one were to supply the neighbourhood with Technet Vista or setup the
local businesses with your MSDN copy of SQL Server then maybe you might be
running afoul .. but otherwise these guys should just mind their own
business and let you mind yours.

Saucy
 
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