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measekite
THE DECISION SHOULD BE EASY. UNLESS YOUR PRINTLOAD IS VERY HIGH USE OEM
CARTS AND AVOID THE RISK. AND IF YOU CAN GET A GOOD DISCOUNT EVEN MORE
THE REASON.
CARTS AND AVOID THE RISK. AND IF YOU CAN GET A GOOD DISCOUNT EVEN MORE
THE REASON.
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fb
Woody wrote:
....The people that are having clogging problems are using third party ink...
Bullshit!!! If that were true then the market place would not allow afm
inks to exist. Have you ever used any after market inks in any printer?
I have personally used only after market inks in my HP's, Epson's and
Canon's for about 10 years now and I never suffer from clogged or ruined
print heads or bad color prints. This ng is a testament to the fact that
after market inks are an excellent viable alternative to the extremely
high cost of oem inks.
Again, I'm a real users of afm inks are you? If you are not, nor ever
have been a user of afm inks then please do us all a favor and keep your
non-experienced opinions to yourself as they are simply only opinions
and as such are totally meaningless.
Thanks.
Frank
....The people that are having clogging problems are using third party ink...
Bullshit!!! If that were true then the market place would not allow afm
inks to exist. Have you ever used any after market inks in any printer?
I have personally used only after market inks in my HP's, Epson's and
Canon's for about 10 years now and I never suffer from clogged or ruined
print heads or bad color prints. This ng is a testament to the fact that
after market inks are an excellent viable alternative to the extremely
high cost of oem inks.
Again, I'm a real users of afm inks are you? If you are not, nor ever
have been a user of afm inks then please do us all a favor and keep your
non-experienced opinions to yourself as they are simply only opinions
and as such are totally meaningless.
Thanks.
Frank
M
measekite
fb said:
THAT MUST BE THE B IN FB
THERE IS AN ASS FOR EVERY SEAT
YOU ARE NOT BELIEVABLE
THIS NG IS A TESTAMENT TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVING
TROUBLE WITH PRINTERS MOSTLY DUE TO AFTERMARKET INKS CLOGGING THEIR
PRINTHEADS AND ALSO RESULTING IN POOR PICTURE QUALITY AND OFF COLOR PRINTS.
MAYBE HE IS A WHOLE LOT SMARTER THAN YOU.
WHY DON'T YOU. KILLFILE HIM SO YOU DO NOT HEAR THE TRUTH.
GOD DOES NOT LIKE YOU
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gonzocanuck
Hi measekite,
I probably wouldn't hesitate to buy Lexmark again if I wasn't printing
photos or artwork. The Z32 is a little old, but it is a darn good
workhorse of a printer and I got a lot out of the cartridges,
especially when I was printing booklets for an event
Thanks for the
advice though, I will definitely take it into consideration.
Sorry to hear about your keyboard, hope you can get a new one!
Best,
Christine
I probably wouldn't hesitate to buy Lexmark again if I wasn't printing
photos or artwork. The Z32 is a little old, but it is a darn good
workhorse of a printer and I got a lot out of the cartridges,
especially when I was printing booklets for an event
Thanks for theadvice though, I will definitely take it into consideration.
Sorry to hear about your keyboard, hope you can get a new one!
Best,
Christine
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zakezuke
The Z32 is a little old, but it is a darn good
measekite for the most part is our resident troll that will say
anything to get attention. And he doesn't understand that there are
different grades of lexmark printers and the ones he's complaining
about are those sub $100 ones. Though in this case I am forced to
agree... the lexmark takes the #50 black which costs roughly 7.5c/page
or double to tripple per page for plain text than Canon, HP, Epson, or
brother solutions that cost under $150. Or to put another way... you
could easily buy cartridges for many HPs that offer double the yield of
the #50 for the same price, or 1/2 the price with equal or higher
yield. This *is* one of those models if your printing more than 3
reams a year then it's more cost effective to buy another printer. But
as long as you were pleased with the results that's most important.
workhorse of a printer and I got a lot out of the cartridges,
especially when I was printing booklets for an event
measekite for the most part is our resident troll that will say
anything to get attention. And he doesn't understand that there are
different grades of lexmark printers and the ones he's complaining
about are those sub $100 ones. Though in this case I am forced to
agree... the lexmark takes the #50 black which costs roughly 7.5c/page
or double to tripple per page for plain text than Canon, HP, Epson, or
brother solutions that cost under $150. Or to put another way... you
could easily buy cartridges for many HPs that offer double the yield of
the #50 for the same price, or 1/2 the price with equal or higher
yield. This *is* one of those models if your printing more than 3
reams a year then it's more cost effective to buy another printer. But
as long as you were pleased with the results that's most important.
M
measekite
THERE ARE THOSE WHO THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING AND WRITE PARAGRAPH AFTERzakezuke said:
PARAGRAPH OF DIATRIBE. IT IS THE OPINION OF THE MAJORITY OF PRINTER
OWNERS THAT LEXMARK IS NOT A GOOD PRINTER. ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS LOOK AT
THEIR SALES AND THE FACT THAT THERE PRINTERS A GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE AND
USED AS SALES BAIT.
THERE IS NOT MUCH GOOD TO SAY ON ANY OF THEM. ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS READ
THE REVIES STARTING WITH PCMAG AND PCWORLD.
D
Davy
Anonymouswrote:
quote="Anonymous"] I always thought Epson was
When it comes to the finished product you 'MAY' have a valid argument,
its not the finished product that concerns me, it is the reliability
and ink usage that does.
Picture this.
You want the best possible photo's, you buy an Epson which is no doubt
quite capable of producing, because you find it guzzles ink and that
the OEM ink is expensive you waste a fair amount more so when you get
clogs, you waste paper as well if you want to tot that up.
Be warned that the latest Epson printers I understand will not work
with OEM ink - you need to check this point.
So what d'ya do, you go out and buy cheaper non Epson ink.
Professional people who are in the trade CAN AFFORD to waste ink -
look how much they charge for the finished product, no doubt they get
some special deal for using their inks on a regular basis and bulk
deals etc..
If you want really good prints on a very occasional basis then what is
stopping you taking the photos to a shop what prints them for you.
I have said fairly don't take my word, look through various shopping
channels at users comments, look through various forums and take note
what people are 'griping' about.
The end result is, do you want good pictures or do you want
reliability or both...
Remember this, if you get clogged with an Epson it 'MAY' spell
desaster involving a considerable amount of ink wastage and maybe
the end of a printer, with a Canon you can replace the heads &
with a HP you get new heads when you buy the cartridge and to add
with a laser and you get no clogs at all.
Thanks to Epson technical they virtually emptied a new set of ink
tanks for me - fact not fiction.! It can be expensive unless you use
non OEM ink in which case you won't get the best quality out of the
printer.
Now you know why I say don't get clogged with an Epson -
Davy
quote="Anonymous"] I always thought Epson was
When it comes to the finished product you 'MAY' have a valid argument,
its not the finished product that concerns me, it is the reliability
and ink usage that does.
Picture this.
You want the best possible photo's, you buy an Epson which is no doubt
quite capable of producing, because you find it guzzles ink and that
the OEM ink is expensive you waste a fair amount more so when you get
clogs, you waste paper as well if you want to tot that up.
Be warned that the latest Epson printers I understand will not work
with OEM ink - you need to check this point.
So what d'ya do, you go out and buy cheaper non Epson ink.
Professional people who are in the trade CAN AFFORD to waste ink -
look how much they charge for the finished product, no doubt they get
some special deal for using their inks on a regular basis and bulk
deals etc..
If you want really good prints on a very occasional basis then what is
stopping you taking the photos to a shop what prints them for you.
I have said fairly don't take my word, look through various shopping
channels at users comments, look through various forums and take note
what people are 'griping' about.
The end result is, do you want good pictures or do you want
reliability or both...
Remember this, if you get clogged with an Epson it 'MAY' spell
desaster involving a considerable amount of ink wastage and maybe
the end of a printer, with a Canon you can replace the heads &
with a HP you get new heads when you buy the cartridge and to add
with a laser and you get no clogs at all.
Thanks to Epson technical they virtually emptied a new set of ink
tanks for me - fact not fiction.! It can be expensive unless you use
non OEM ink in which case you won't get the best quality out of the
printer.
Now you know why I say don't get clogged with an Epson -
Davy
D
Davy
Thanks to zakezuke for the confirmation that the ip3000 only uses a
dye black for both text and photos.
Davy
dye black for both text and photos.
Davy
D
Davy
Davywrote:
[quote:c258e40813]quote="Anonymous"] I always thought Epson was
When it comes to the finished product you 'MAY' have a valid argument,
its not the finished product that concerns me, it is the reliability
and ink usage that does.
Picture this.
You want the best possible photo's, you buy an Epson which is no doubt
quite capable of producing, because you find it guzzles ink and that
the OEM ink is expensive you waste a fair amount more so when you get
clogs, you waste paper as well if you want to tot that up.
Be warned that the latest Epson printers I understand will not work
with OEM ink - you need to check this point.
So what d'ya do, you go out and buy cheaper non Epson ink.
Professional people who are in the trade CAN AFFORD to waste ink -
look how much they charge for the finished product, no doubt they get
some special deal for using their inks on a regular basis and bulk
deals etc..
If you want really good prints on a very occasional basis then what is
stopping you taking the photos to a shop what prints them for you.
I have said fairly don't take my word, look through various shopping
channels at users comments, look through various forums and take note
what people are 'griping' about.
The end result is, do you want good pictures or do you want
reliability or both...
Remember this, if you get clogged with an Epson it 'MAY' spell
desaster involving a considerable amount of ink wastage and maybe
the end of a printer, with a Canon you can replace the heads &
with a HP you get new heads when you buy the cartridge and to add
with a laser you get no clogs at all.
Thanks to Epson technical they virtually emptied a new set of ink
tanks for me - fact not fiction.! It can be expensive unless you use
non OEM ink in which case you won't get the best quality out of the
printer.
Now you know why I say don't get clogged with an Epson -
Davy[/quote:c258e40813]
[quote:c258e40813]quote="Anonymous"] I always thought Epson was
When it comes to the finished product you 'MAY' have a valid argument,
its not the finished product that concerns me, it is the reliability
and ink usage that does.
Picture this.
You want the best possible photo's, you buy an Epson which is no doubt
quite capable of producing, because you find it guzzles ink and that
the OEM ink is expensive you waste a fair amount more so when you get
clogs, you waste paper as well if you want to tot that up.
Be warned that the latest Epson printers I understand will not work
with OEM ink - you need to check this point.
So what d'ya do, you go out and buy cheaper non Epson ink.
Professional people who are in the trade CAN AFFORD to waste ink -
look how much they charge for the finished product, no doubt they get
some special deal for using their inks on a regular basis and bulk
deals etc..
If you want really good prints on a very occasional basis then what is
stopping you taking the photos to a shop what prints them for you.
I have said fairly don't take my word, look through various shopping
channels at users comments, look through various forums and take note
what people are 'griping' about.
The end result is, do you want good pictures or do you want
reliability or both...
Remember this, if you get clogged with an Epson it 'MAY' spell
desaster involving a considerable amount of ink wastage and maybe
the end of a printer, with a Canon you can replace the heads &
with a HP you get new heads when you buy the cartridge and to add
with a laser you get no clogs at all.
Thanks to Epson technical they virtually emptied a new set of ink
tanks for me - fact not fiction.! It can be expensive unless you use
non OEM ink in which case you won't get the best quality out of the
printer.
Now you know why I say don't get clogged with an Epson -
Davy[/quote:c258e40813]
D
Davy
Woodywrote:
Woody said:
M
measekite
Davy said:
M
measekite
I THINK YOU MEAN AFTERMARKET INKDavy said:
GOD FORBID
I DO NOT THINK SO BUT MOST ARTISTS WHO SELL THEIR WORK HAVE AN AFFINITY
FOR PIGMENTED INK. THIS IS NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR MOST CONSUMERS.
THAT IS WHY MOST CONSUMERS USE DYE BASED PRINTERS.
USERS COMMENTS ARE NOT ALWAYS THE BRIGHTEST BUT READING BETWEEN THE
LINES OF PROFRESSIONAL MAG REVIEWS LIKE PCWORLD AND PCMAG CAN BE BENEFICIAL
BUT NOT ECONOMICALLY. IN MANY CASES IT IS CHEAPER TO BUY A NEW CANON
PRINTER.
THAT IS TRUE
M
measekite
I WOULD BE INCLINED TO CONGRADULATE CANON FOR THAT AND MUCH MORE
INFORMATION IS CLEAR ON THEIR WEBSITE AT WWW.CANONUSA.COM
INFORMATION IS CLEAR ON THEIR WEBSITE AT WWW.CANONUSA.COM
Z
zakezuke
Thanks to zakezuke for the confirmation that the ip3000 only uses a
No Pigmented black for text... composite black for photos... as in
mixes the cyan/magenta/yellow to make black.
No Pigmented black for text... composite black for photos... as in
mixes the cyan/magenta/yellow to make black.
D
Davy
[quote="measekite
Yeah, yeah DATS DER WONE, you buy de ink, you get home anddits empty -
aftermarket ink gerrit eh..?
Did he, DATS WHY he buy's OEM izzit..?
[/quote]
An afinnity for a bit of 'group 1' standing by an easel while he
holds a bottle of magenta in one hand and an empty tank in the
other.
Davy
Davy
Yeah, yeah DATS DER WONE, you buy de ink, you get home anddits empty -
aftermarket ink gerrit eh..?
Did he, DATS WHY he buy's OEM izzit..?
AFFINITY
[/quote]
An afinnity for a bit of 'group 1' standing by an easel while he
holds a bottle of magenta in one hand and an empty tank in the
other.
Davy
Davy
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Gary Tait
(e-mail address removed) wrote in @g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
IMO, it is mostly because the 2000 uses the BCI24 3-colour cart, and the
3000+ uses separate BCI6es.
IMO, it is mostly because the 2000 uses the BCI24 3-colour cart, and the
3000+ uses separate BCI6es.
D
Davy
These are the inks the ip3000 uses.
Black (BCI-3eK)
Cyan (BCI-6C) C
Magenta (BCI-6M)
Yellow (BCI-6Y)
Thanks zakezuke, looked like I 'muffed' that one, the three colours
for black and the black ink for text - sorry folks.
Davy
Black (BCI-3eK)
Cyan (BCI-6C) C
Magenta (BCI-6M)
Yellow (BCI-6Y)
Thanks zakezuke, looked like I 'muffed' that one, the three colours
for black and the black ink for text - sorry folks.
Davy
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gonzocanuck
Hi Davy,
Hmm! That was a very reasonable post you made. I never thought about
some of that before, like the print heads. What a disaster to waste a
whole lot of ink that way!
The whole idea of getting a photo printer came up when I picked up some
prints from the drug store on Tuesday (I get my digital pix from London
Drugs - Future Shop is probably cheaper but I don' t live near one). I
recently completed a small painting, scanned it, and had various size
prints made from it to test the results I would get. I have done this
before with my artwork and indeed have been happy with that. While the
cost of getting 4x6"s made is not a problem, going into the larger
sizes gets more expensive. An 8x10" is $7Cdn. I was thinking that next
year I could possibly offer my art for sale at craft shows, but wanted
to save on costs too. If I'm making enough 8x10"s, I'm sure it would be
cheaper on a photo printer since the quality has risen so much. The HP
one takes three cartridges for photo printing, and they're about $30Cdn
@ (before her 40% staff discount). You're right though, I probably
don't want to be spending megabucks on ink or wasting it if I can help
it. If my relative quits, I'll be out of luck
Thanks,
Christine
Hmm! That was a very reasonable post you made. I never thought about
some of that before, like the print heads. What a disaster to waste a
whole lot of ink that way!
The whole idea of getting a photo printer came up when I picked up some
prints from the drug store on Tuesday (I get my digital pix from London
Drugs - Future Shop is probably cheaper but I don' t live near one). I
recently completed a small painting, scanned it, and had various size
prints made from it to test the results I would get. I have done this
before with my artwork and indeed have been happy with that. While the
cost of getting 4x6"s made is not a problem, going into the larger
sizes gets more expensive. An 8x10" is $7Cdn. I was thinking that next
year I could possibly offer my art for sale at craft shows, but wanted
to save on costs too. If I'm making enough 8x10"s, I'm sure it would be
cheaper on a photo printer since the quality has risen so much. The HP
one takes three cartridges for photo printing, and they're about $30Cdn
@ (before her 40% staff discount). You're right though, I probably
don't want to be spending megabucks on ink or wasting it if I can help
it. If my relative quits, I'll be out of luck
Thanks,
Christine
G
gonzocanuck
Thanks for the advice. LOL, I guess I'm not as hardcore into printers
as some of the citizens here This has been quite an interesting
thread for me to follow as well. With my relative's staff discount, the
price of ink hasn't bothered me too much. There have been times when it
does seem like it runs out pretty fast though. I always meant to try
and keep track of how many pages a cartridge outputs...I think the case
of the booklets, there were roughly 350 pages that I printed. I believe
the cartridge was just about out after that It's a pretty fuss free
printer too, in my experience. The old Canon was extremely fussy and
always jamming :S
Thanks,
Christine
as some of the citizens here
This has been quite an interestingthread for me to follow as well. With my relative's staff discount, the
price of ink hasn't bothered me too much. There have been times when it
does seem like it runs out pretty fast though. I always meant to try
and keep track of how many pages a cartridge outputs...I think the case
of the booklets, there were roughly 350 pages that I printed. I believe
the cartridge was just about out after that
It's a pretty fuss freeprinter too, in my experience. The old Canon was extremely fussy and
always jamming :S
Thanks,
Christine
S
stevem
Davy said:
Don't know to which printers you're referring here, but my R800 happily
accepts third-party cartridges (with Formulabs ink) without complaint, and
produces every bit as good results as it did with the original cartridges.
Steve.