The inferiority of Maxtor

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Hey Rod... That was a Max of a cat 5 cyclone you just had down under.
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Yeah, worst for decades. I was actually born
there, tho I now live thousands of miles from there.
I hope you got the Max amount of rain
out of it in your space in the outback,
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It wont have any effect at all here.
every little drop helps!
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Yeah, tho its an irrigation area here, so in some ways its better
if it doesnt rain here, most of the harvesting is going on currently.

Didnt do the crops in that area much good, wiped
out virtually all of the banana growing area entirely
and quite a bit of the sugar cane crop too.

Not quite as spectacular as the one 30 years ago that wiped
out Darwin tho. That one had few houses still standing, was
a much bigger town, with many evacuated by the military by plane.
 
Arno Wagner said:
Unfortunately I have to agree with Rod here: Quality and price seem
only loosely coupled for computer equipment today. For HDDs there
seems to be no real relation at all.
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I think the point is that a decline in numbers sold will lead to a
decline in numbers made, putting Maxtor on the wrong side of the curve
in regard to economies of scale. A fire sale on Maxtor products will
only be of temporary benefit to Maxtor fans.
 
I think the point is that a decline in numbers sold
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That doesnt happen either, essentially because hardly
anyone does any real research before buying a hard
drive. The absolute vast bulk of the retail purchasers
just look at the basics like the size and the price.

Most corporates dont do much more than that either.
will lead to a decline in numbers made, putting Maxtor on
the wrong side of the curve in regard to economies of scale.
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That isnt what happens either. What can happen is that they
price the drives at a level that doesnt cover their warranty
costs, because the drives fail at a higher rate in the field
than they expected them to, and they go bust for that reason,
or someone else dominates the market for other reasons.
A fire sale on Maxtor products will only
be of temporary benefit to Maxtor fans.
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Its a permanent benefit if you know how to avoid
what kills them at a higher rate than with other drives.
 
Rod Speed said:
Its a permanent benefit if you know how to avoid
what kills them at a higher rate than with other drives.
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Thank you, Roddles. That was my point.

*TimDaniels*
 
Not quite as spectacular as the one 30 years ago that wiped
out Darwin tho. That one had few houses still standing, was
a much bigger town, with many evacuated by the military by plane.
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I can relate, living 70 miles from New Orleans.
 
Arno said:
Maxtor drives (at least the ones I own) seem to get considerably
hotter than the Seagate and especially the Samsung drives I have.
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I measured Hitachi/IBM, Maxtor, WD, and Seagate 7200 RPM HDs during
idle and sequential reads, and in 24-25C ambient air the temperatures
of their aluminum castings were nearly the same, except an 80GB Seagate
with a metal cover over its circuit board ran about 4C hotter.
Removing the cover made it run as cool as the others. OTOH the hottest
chips I could measure were on the Maxtor (couldn't measure WD chips
because they were on the inside), both the TI DSP and the six tiny
chips that control the motor and head movement. Those small chips
reached 68-70C during reads, about 5-10C hotter than the hottest chips
on Seagate and Hitachi/IBM drives. Maxtor said that was OK, and while
the chips are rated for 125C, apparently some Maxtors and Quantums have
failed because of them..
 
Beemer said:
MaxStor is inferior, get over it. If you saw seagate and maxtor 250gb
drives on ebay being sold for $10 each, only the seagate would have
questions about whether it was working. You are lucky usenet postings are
handeled differently than email. The phrase "Max" would not make it past
many spam filters.

..thanks..
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They're both Seagate now.
 
Rod said:
That doesnt happen. Essentially because sweet **** all hard
drive purchasers are ever aware of any reputation stuff at all.
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I think purchasers give such "reputation" information the due it
deserves.
 
I can relate, living 70 miles from New Orleans.
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Quite different in detail, there was no flooding with Darwin.

And the military did one hell of an effective job of the evacuation too.

Corse its a lot smaller than New Orleons too.
 
larry moe 'n curly said:
Arno Wagner wrote
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I measured Hitachi/IBM, Maxtor, WD, and Seagate 7200 RPM HDs during
idle and sequential reads, and in 24-25C ambient air the temperatures
of their aluminum castings were nearly the same, except an 80GB
Seagate with a metal cover over its circuit board ran about 4C hotter.
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That obviously varys with the cooling they are getting.

You'll find some get stinking hot surprisingly quickly
when run loose on the desktop when debugging things.
Removing the cover made it run as cool as the others.
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Not if you run it loose on the desktop it doesnt.
OTOH the hottest chips I could measure were on the Maxtor
(couldn't measure WD chips because they were on the inside),
both the TI DSP and the six tiny chips that control the motor
and head movement. Those small chips reached 68-70C
during reads, about 5-10C hotter than the hottest chips
on Seagate and Hitachi/IBM drives. Maxtor said that was
OK, and while the chips are rated for 125C, apparently
some Maxtors and Quantums have failed because of them..
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And the Fujitsu MPGs in spades.
 
Neill said:
I think the point is that a decline in numbers sold will lead to a
decline in numbers made, putting Maxtor on the wrong side of the curve
in regard to economies of scale. A fire sale on Maxtor products will
only be of temporary benefit to Maxtor fans.
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Assuming that Maxtor drives are in fact inferior in reliability, what makes
you think that this will have any effect on end-user sales? How many end
users are even going to check the manufacturer of, say, a CompUSA brand
drive?
 
J. Clarke said:
Assuming that Maxtor drives are in fact inferior in reliability, what makes
you think that this will have any effect on end-user sales? How many end
users are even going to check the manufacturer of, say, a CompUSA brand
drive?
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Seeing as CompUSA has a sale this week on 80gb disks, for just $9.99 each;
I suspect most buyers are only concerned if the guy walking out the door
bought the last one.


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Previously J. Clarke said:
Neill Massello wrote:
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Assuming that Maxtor drives are in fact inferior in reliability,
what makes you think that this will have any effect on end-user
sales? How many end users are even going to check the manufacturer
of, say, a CompUSA brand drive?
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Sad, but true. My guess is that this will only start to change
when capacities become stable (i.e. longer model life) and when
a significant part of the computer-using population has lost a
disk.

Arno
 
Rod said:
That obviously varys with the cooling they are getting.
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You'll find some get stinking hot surprisingly quickly
when run loose on the desktop when debugging things.


Not if you run it loose on the desktop it doesnt.
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I did run all of them on a desktop, actually with the circuit boards
facing upward and the drives sitting on horizontal pencils to allow for
air circulation. I put the drives near the center of the desk and
rearranged them because I found that even small changes in air flow
would affect temperatures (a CPU fan 4" away made a chip on a Maxtor
cool from 68C to 55C, and simply sitting the drive vertically had a
similar effect).
 
Sad, but true. My guess is that this will only start to change
when capacities become stable (i.e. longer model life)
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Taint gunna happen, you watch.
and when a significant part of the computer-
using population has lost a disk.
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Taint gunna happen either. And even if it did, they'd
mostly just mindlessly avoid the brand of the one they lost.
 
larry moe 'n curly said:
Rod Speed wrote
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I did run all of them on a desktop, actually with the circuit boards
facing upward and the drives sitting on horizontal pencils to allow
for air circulation. I put the drives near the center of the desk and
rearranged them because I found that even small changes in air flow
would affect temperatures (a CPU fan 4" away made a chip on a Maxtor
cool from 68C to 55C, and simply sitting the drive vertically had a
similar effect).
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Then I dont believe your claim that they all ran at the same temp.
 
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