The Best FireWall!

[SleeperMan]

donutbandit typed:

Just WHERE do you get your information from?

From the people running older OS'es and when they go to windowsupdate, they
get page not found...

Win ME is supported for the foreseeable future, at least until 2006,
like 98 is. All the bugs and exploits are worked out of them, unlike
the ongoing cavalcade of XP issues. I was immune to all the worms
that wreaked havoc last year. XP systems were going down by the
millions. And the worst ain't even happened yet.

There is no need for me to patch my system, or even worry about it
being exploited.

Run XP if you want. Make sure you stay patched. I see you are using
Outlook Express - I guess you enjoy opening up your system to every
worm and virus that comes along. I guess you don't care that you
can't change your software or hardware, or play music without getting
Uncle Billy's permission. You'll probably be first in line to buy
Longhorn when (or if) it ever comes out, so that you can tie yourself
even more tightly to Uncle Bill's coattails.

Stay patched? You GOTTA be kidding! Yesterday i installed all available
patches for XP I thought i'llgive them a try after appr. 6 months. Luckily i
made my image before i did so stupid thing... One of things was OE was in
English instead in my local language...

Open to attacks? Naaaa...i run Norton NIS, the best security system
available, remember?
Oh, and i used to be connected via router, it's just right now it hangs evey
few days, so i must take it back to service...

I play my music the way i want to (that is in my CD player mostly) and when
Longhorn comes out, sure, i'll get it (if it will be better than XP) and
along with it also any crack which will break it's permissions...
Remember---what a man can make, a man can break... See what happened with
their famous activation? all you need is a simple DOS based proggy, which
every day resets installation day counter...etc...

Why you don't run Linux, anyway? (just curious...)

 

[Bob Adkins]

Bob, the main thing you are leaving out of the equation is "security" and
"non invasiveness."

No I'm not. Those things are not issues with me.

I use a router, I use a firewall, I don't peruse porno sites, I don't do
anything illegal. And I don't work for the CIA.

Security? WinXP gets low marks, and the knowledgeable people in security
circles say the worst is yet to happen.

It gets 100% from me. I don't care about anyone else.

Don't forget, "knowledgeable people in security circles" must make a living.
They make their living by selling advice. They need to sew fear in order to
sell their services. Hello?

Non-invasiveness? I have a real problem with an OS that phones home every
time I change something on my computer. The OS may be leased from
Microsoft, but my computer belongs to me. If I want to play music, change
software or hardware, Bill Gates has no business knowing about it.

My firewall does not allow phoning home except for the MS generic host
process. If MS should use that info against anyone, they would get their
asses sued off. So I'm not worried.

Could it be that some of you are so naive that you really don't know what
WinXP is doing behind your back?

I know, but I don't care. Let MS go ahead and make my day (and make me
rich).

Put "security" at the head of that list, and I'll agree.

Security is fine here. I'm not paranoid.

It also didn't matter to the hordes of XP users who were crowding into all
the Usenet groups begging for help with the DCOM exploits last year, until
they got bitten.

There will always be inexperienced users that do stupid things and go
whining for help. It's a learning process, not an OS problem.

It does matter to me. My Internet experience should not be affected because
some 16 year old script kiddie wrote a worm and millions of unprotected
WinNT/2000/XP machines were infected. Machines that were manned by people
just like you. You don't care about security until you get hit.

Maybe I'll agree if it ever affects me. But my experience has been 100%
positive so far.

A know nothing teenager wrote a worm that took millions of computers down.
What does THAT say about the security of Microsoft's operating systems?

At least you have the good sense not to use Outlook Express.

I have sense enough to avoid other vulnerabilities too.

There's no such thing as a 100% secure OS. There will always be hackers that
can find a vulnerabilities, and a bunch of inexperienced suckers that will
fall for their tricks.

Here, click on the "*" for picture of Anna Kornukova naked ----> *

Bob

Remove "kins" from address to reply.

 

[Tiger]

It gets 100% from me. I don't care about anyone else.

Then stay off the internet.

 

[Rhexis]

Bob, the main thing you are leaving out of the equation is "security"
and "non invasiveness."

It's not that hard to tell Windows to stick its wizards where the sun
doesn't shine. It really isn't. Sure it's more invasive /at first/, but to
me the benefits of a much stabler kernel far outweigh this one-time
problem.

Security? WinXP gets low marks, and the knowledgeable people in
security circles say the worst is yet to happen.

Name some names please. Steve "Raw sockets will be the doom of us all"
Gibson wouldn't happen to be on your list of "knowledgeable people",
would he?

Non-invasiveness? I have a real problem with an OS that phones home
every time I change something on my computer.

Hyperbole. It pays off to actually /know/ what you're talking about before
you claim to be any kind of authority on it. Activation doesn't do anything
unless certain conditions are met.

If I want to play
music, change software or hardware, Bill Gates has no business
knowing about it.

I'll leave the DRM discussion to another derailed thread.

As for the activation issue; I'm not fond of being mistaken for a criminal
until I've proven otherwise. That sucks a lot. On the other hand, I can see
where MS is coming from. They had to do /something/ about the massive
piracy of their OS.

MS aren't the only ones doing this, you know? You can't buy an online
game today without it having some kind of server-side authentication.

Put "security" at the head of that list, and I'll agree.

Which is why you're running some kind of unix, right? Right?

Machines that were manned by people just like you. You don't care
about security until you get hit.
Projection?

A know nothing teenager wrote a worm that took millions of computers
down. What does THAT say about the security of Microsoft's operating
systems?

That it sucks? No one's been saying otherwise.