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Bob Adkins
"Winbloze"? "M$?"? "naive public"? "dire warnings"?
Such wonderful objectivity!
Bob
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"Winbloze"? "M$?"? "naive public"? "dire warnings"?
Such wonderful objectivity!
Bob
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donutbandit
Another spouter of ignorance without facts to back it up.
The only thing that made ME "buggy" was the absolute crap version of IE 5.5
that shipped with it. It caused video freezeups, among other things.
I have removed IE from the system, and also removed all the useless junk
that ME came with, like System Restore and PC Health. I have an extremely
fast, stable, dependable system that never crashes.
ME is a lot "smarter" than 98 (for want of a better word), has a better
TCP/IP stack, and is faster. It supports more hardware. And, being of 9x
archaeology, is not vulnerable to the exploits that NT/2000/XP is.
FYI, I don't run 98 because it won't support my modem. I tried 2000 Pro and
didn't like it.
I am sitting here shaking my head at the way some people post things with
absolutely no proof. I read a number of security and OS related groups
every day. Thus, if you see me ragging on XP, Norton, Zone Alarm, Outlook
Express, etc. it's because I know what the problems are with these things.
Go ahead and say "stupid." I'm just sitting here laughing at someone who
doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.
Windows XP is fast becoming the most "buggy" OS ever made by Microsoft. New
holes and exploits are being discovered every week.
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donutbandit
"Winbloze"? "M$?"? "naive public"? "dire warnings"?
Such wonderful objectivity!
No: someone who actually knows what's going on, rather than a blind,
oblivious WinXP shill who doesn't want to take the blinders off and see
what the facts are.
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Rhexis
Sorry, that's all I saw in your post.
The use of those mindnumbingly dumb nicknames completely overshadowed
whatever valid argument you might have had.
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Bob Adkins
Yep. That's all you need to see. Once you see that, you know the rest. The
OP is either a juvenile that thinks it's cool to bash Windows XX, or a sheep
that blindly follows all the other Windows XX bashers.
Bob
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null
When you two are ready to address the issue I brought up rather than
engage in stupid personal attacks, let me know. OTOH, just forget it.
I see I'm wasting my time with you both.
Art
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SleeperMan
donutbandit typed:
It seems you did a lot of homework to make ME usefull.
Me - i just installed XP and it works. Call me lucky, but Norton also works.
But i tried Windows update today and it crapped my OE, so i removed all
updates instantly.
Many holes and bugs were discovered for ALL systems, 95, 98 and ME. It's
just none are supported anymore, only XP, so what you have, you have. None
new is found because noone is looking for them. It's as simple as that.
For me---i've had baaad experiences withME, my friend also, my niece also,
so ME-no, thanks.
XP is still best system i've had (and i had 95, 98, 98SE and for one week
ME, too), but as i've seen today, i'll stick to "don't repair, if it ain't
broken" and won't run any update again!!!
It seems you did a lot of homework to make ME usefull.
Me - i just installed XP and it works. Call me lucky, but Norton also works.
But i tried Windows update today and it crapped my OE, so i removed all
updates instantly.
Many holes and bugs were discovered for ALL systems, 95, 98 and ME. It's
just none are supported anymore, only XP, so what you have, you have. None
new is found because noone is looking for them. It's as simple as that.
For me---i've had baaad experiences withME, my friend also, my niece also,
so ME-no, thanks.
XP is still best system i've had (and i had 95, 98, 98SE and for one week
ME, too), but as i've seen today, i'll stick to "don't repair, if it ain't
broken" and won't run any update again!!!
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Rhexis
Ahaha. I love zealots. Especially the ones who misspell Microsoft and
think that they make some kind of profound statement that way.
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donutbandit
Just WHERE do you get your information from?
Win ME is supported for the foreseeable future, at least until 2006, like
98 is. All the bugs and exploits are worked out of them, unlike the ongoing
cavalcade of XP issues. I was immune to all the worms that wreaked havoc
last year. XP systems were going down by the millions. And the worst ain't
even happened yet.
There is no need for me to patch my system, or even worry about it being
exploited.
Run XP if you want. Make sure you stay patched. I see you are using Outlook
Express - I guess you enjoy opening up your system to every worm and virus
that comes along. I guess you don't care that you can't change your
software or hardware, or play music without getting Uncle Billy's
permission. You'll probably be first in line to buy Longhorn when (or if)
it ever comes out, so that you can tie yourself even more tightly to Uncle
Bill's coattails.
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donutbandit
Hey Art: now I see why XP users come to the Win98 group asking for help.
When asked why they don't ask in the XP group, they reply that it's full of
arrogant, know nothing jerks.
If there is anything worse than the stereotypical Linux-head, we've found
it here - the willfully blind, arrogant, smug XP head. At least Linux users
know what they are talking about. LMAO.
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Jim Scott
Some of us are still here, waiting for those two dogs to either scrap or
walk away
)I use Agnitum Outpost, which works well for me.
While I was waiting for the fight to start I re-tried Kerio, which works
just as well, but asks for confirmation much more than Outpost, yet does
no more. I used ZoneAlarm years ago, but it confused me and was hell to
uninstall.
As a dial-up user I think I don't really need a firewall, but haven't
got the nerve to do without.
A virus blocker IS essential and I use Avast for that as AVG doesn't
work with Mozilla Firefox/Thunderbird; although there again I probably
don't need that if I resist unknown attachments.
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Rhexis
That doesn't prove anything about your knowledge of services. I can only
go by your post[1] where you wanted /all/ services shut down and say
that doing that to /any/ NT (net connectivity or not) would completely hose it.
I also see you're linking to Steve Gibson, which is a warning-sign all in itself...
You get top marks for hyping the hacker scare and for mentioning 64.000
ports (of potential DOOM).
[1]
You didn't really address my jab at Windows 9x's pathetic and unstable DOS
roots and instead chose to comment on another part of this thread. Odd.
As for the open ports thing; I've never said it was easy. I just said that you
were wrong when you said the OS couldn't be locked down without it falling
to bits. It's possible, but since I don't believe that "Billyboy" is out to get
me and all my files, I haven't really given it much thought.
I'm not quite sure on what your Windows 9x guide should prove. Is it that
messing with /any/ Windows OS is best left to someone who knows what
they're doing? I mean, the steps you outline aren't exactly AOL-style intuitive.
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Rhexis
[snip - The above is from an earlier comment by (e-mail address removed)]
.... !
This is truly a thing of beauty. I think, I'm going to frame the above quotes
and hang them side-by-side since they compliment each other quite nicely.
Yeah. Probably.
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null
Some of us are still here, waiting for those two dogs to either scrap or
walk away
I use Agnitum Outpost, which works well for me.
While I was waiting for the fight to start I re-tried Kerio, which works
just as well, but asks for confirmation much more than Outpost, yet does
no more. I used ZoneAlarm years ago, but it confused me and was hell to
uninstall.
As a dial-up user I think I don't really need a firewall, but haven't
got the nerve to do without.
You didn't mention which OS you use.
I've never used either a firewall or realtime av scanners, though I've
done quite a bit of testing and evaluation of both. I prefer using a
few good DOS scanners which is all anyone needs with Win 9x/ME if they
know what they're doing. I've been using DSL service for the last
couple of years and never had any problems. It can be done, and my web
site outlines the bare essentials. However, I'd advise using a
firewall with Win 2K/XP since closing all ports on those OS is quite
difficult. And you're stuck with not being able to eradicate IE except
with Win 2K sp1.
In haunting the virus newsgroups for years, I've noticed complaints
from time to time from naive users who claim that they just shut down
their firewall for a short time and they took malware hits. So no
matter what, you shouldn't neglect doing the rebinding, etc. It's very
important to address your network settings and not rely on a firewall
to save your butt ... even if you choose to continue using one.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
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null
Well, we sure see plenty of the blind, arrogant and smug XP users
finally come in whimpering for help on the virus newsgroups
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
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Rhexis
Some of us are still here, waiting for those two dogs to either scrap
or walk away
I beg your pardon?
Dial-up won't save you from, say, MSBlaster.
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Rhexis
It's arrogant to believe that people who link "M$" to satan aren't worth
listening to? I see.
Might I remind you that it was /you/ who started this whole trainwreck
with the following objective, clever and not at all unreasonable statement:
"There comes a limit on what's "high end" and what's trusty. Win XP with all
it's security issues, phoning home, tattletaling to Uncle Billy - what's
"high end" about that?"
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more like LAUGHING OUT LOUD ON AOL!!!!1one am i rite?
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Jim Scott
Sorry Win98se - single user
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Bob Adkins
I used ME for nearly a year. I averaged about 1 lockup every 3 months. A lot
of people were trashing it. Except for a couple of game incompatibilities, I
didn't find any problems with it, and still can't. I went to XP, and found
it even more to my liking. I believe most reasonable people would as well.
Windows is like the parable of the 3 blind men and the elephant. Everyone
sees it from their own perspective.
I want 4 things from my OS:
Software compatibility
Hardware compatibility
Stability
Customizability
From my perspective, Win XP is the clear winner. From your perspective, it
may be DOS, Linux, or Mac. It doesn't matter to me.
Bob
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donutbandit
Bob, the main thing you are leaving out of the equation is "security" and
"non invasiveness."
Security? WinXP gets low marks, and the knowledgeable people in security
circles say the worst is yet to happen.
Non-invasiveness? I have a real problem with an OS that phones home every
time I change something on my computer. The OS may be leased from
Microsoft, but my computer belongs to me. If I want to play music, change
software or hardware, Bill Gates has no business knowing about it.
Could it be that some of you are so naive that you really don't know what
WinXP is doing behind your back?
Put "security" at the head of that list, and I'll agree.
It also didn't matter to the hordes of XP users who were crowding into all
the Usenet groups begging for help with the DCOM exploits last year, until
they got bitten.
It does matter to me. My Internet experience should not be affected because
some 16 year old script kiddie wrote a worm and millions of unprotected
WinNT/2000/XP machines were infected. Machines that were manned by people
just like you. You don't care about security until you get hit.
A know nothing teenager wrote a worm that took millions of computers down.
What does THAT say about the security of Microsoft's operating systems?
At least you have the good sense not to use Outlook Express.