Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

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Bill said:
Yea, right. The number of posts are down by 50% because Adam is missing and
either with your Sheep or in jail.
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I still didn't notice.
Wrong. Those who use Windows are smart. Those who use Ubuntu are idiots.
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Everyone has an opinion. It's too bad for you that yours is ill informed
at best.

Alias
 
* Carey Frisch [MVP] peremptorily fired off this memo:
The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
even ran Windows Vista!

Read the truth!

Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1
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This is George Ou. Why would one believe him?
Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284
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Don't know about that guy yet.
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast
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Love! Is a many splintered thing!
 
Carey Frisch [MVP] schreef:
The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
even ran Windows Vista!

Read the truth!

Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1
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Carey Frisch,

Well, I do read ZDnet on a regular basis.
(Mostly when I receive in my inbox subjects like: "Martians attacked
Linux conference!", and I am in need of a break.)

ZDnet used to be a reasonable reliable source of information years ago.
I am not sure what happened lately over there (and I am sure it involves
$), but to quote bloggers like Ed Bott as a reliable source of
information...

Peter Guttmann is a researcher (Department of Computer Science at the
University of Auckland) and has nothing to gain with spreading FUD.
His article contains references, many examples, and what is more: You
must know very little about encryption/decryption to think this comes
for free.

And what is more important in my humble opinion, M$ decided to protect
direct access to hardware (read the part "Elimination of Open-source
Hardware Support").

You can shout all you want about Guttman being an idiot, Vista being the
best OS ever, etc, but that won't convince any informed person with a
little experience in the field.

But I guess your signature says it all:
------------------------------------
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast
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I have seriously NO problem with the fact you fell in love with Vista.
Really, that is your own hobby/job/whatever, but please don't spread
misinformation in public groups and present it like facts.

I hate DRM. Let that be very clear: DRM sucks.
I bought perfectly legal CDs from Sony, only to find they had a corrupt
filesystem that made it impossible to play on my PC running a perfectly
legal OS.
(Then I tried my good old Redhat, but over there it filled my errorlog
with warnings about the corrupt filesystem.)
I ended up downloading my CDs from torrents, so I could play my CDs I
paid for on my computer!

Like it is now: DRM hits on the 'good users' while the majority of
peer-to-peer-filesharing users get working versions for free.

Nice effect. Really good thinking.
Talking about shooting yourself in the foot...

Screw DRM.
Make it work, or don't use it.

I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.

Regards,
Erwin Moller
 
Erwin said:
Carey Frisch [MVP] schreef:

Carey Frisch,

Well, I do read ZDnet on a regular basis.
(Mostly when I receive in my inbox subjects like: "Martians attacked
Linux conference!", and I am in need of a break.)

ZDnet used to be a reasonable reliable source of information years ago.
I am not sure what happened lately over there (and I am sure it involves
$), but to quote bloggers like Ed Bott as a reliable source of
information...

Peter Guttmann is a researcher (Department of Computer Science at the
University of Auckland) and has nothing to gain with spreading FUD.
His article contains references, many examples, and what is more: You
must know very little about encryption/decryption to think this comes
for free.

And what is more important in my humble opinion, M$ decided to protect
direct access to hardware (read the part "Elimination of Open-source
Hardware Support").

You can shout all you want about Guttman being an idiot, Vista being the
best OS ever, etc, but that won't convince any informed person with a
little experience in the field.

But I guess your signature says it all:
------------------------------------
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast
------------------------------------

I have seriously NO problem with the fact you fell in love with Vista.
Really, that is your own hobby/job/whatever, but please don't spread
misinformation in public groups and present it like facts.

I hate DRM. Let that be very clear: DRM sucks.
I bought perfectly legal CDs from Sony, only to find they had a corrupt
filesystem that made it impossible to play on my PC running a perfectly
legal OS.
(Then I tried my good old Redhat, but over there it filled my errorlog
with warnings about the corrupt filesystem.)
I ended up downloading my CDs from torrents, so I could play my CDs I
paid for on my computer!

Like it is now: DRM hits on the 'good users' while the majority of
peer-to-peer-filesharing users get working versions for free.

Nice effect. Really good thinking.
Talking about shooting yourself in the foot...

Screw DRM.
Make it work, or don't use it.

I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.

Regards,
Erwin Moller
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Very incisive and well thought out post. Not one Vista fanboy will
understand it.

Alias
 
On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
Screw DRM.
Make it work, or don't use it.

I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.

Regards,
Erwin Moller
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Agree:

Quite below on Vista Vs XP:

" Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
measurable improvement in application throughput and user
productivity? Enough said. "

Interesting statistics below.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html
 
On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller




Agree:

Quite below on Vista Vs XP:

" Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
measurable improvement in application throughput and user
productivity? Enough said. "

Interesting statistics below.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html
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thanks for the link.
i'm in the market for a new laptop and have been looking for one with
XP.
i feel better about my decision now.
 
thanks for the link.
i'm in the market for a new laptop and have been looking for one with
XP.
i feel better about my decision now.
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Good to hear

I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
do the simplest thing with Vista.
Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .

Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors


IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
by Killing
Windows XP.

- SO , get it while you can.
 
Talk about ill-informed! You're brainwashed.
Alias said:
I still didn't notice.


Everyone has an opinion. It's too bad for you that yours is ill informed
at best.

Alias
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Milt said:
I'm going to guess you meant OGG, which is easily available in Windows.

You really should check on these things before you spout off BS.

Oh wait, that is what you do, carry on.
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My typo and my error. Looks like someone has produced a Microsoft Media
plug-in. Have to watch open source, it makes it everywhere in due time.
 
On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
Screw DRM.
Make it work, or don't use it.

I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.

Regards,
Erwin Moller
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Agree:

Quite below on Vista Vs XP:

" Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
measurable improvement in application throughput and user
productivity? Enough said. "

Interesting statistics below.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html
 
I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
do the simplest thing with Vista.
Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .

Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors


IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
by Killing
Windows XP.

- SO , get it while you can.
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I am skipping the XP rush. I have 4 XP OEM licensed systems, 2 of which
still run XP, one in dual boot. But have recoveries for the others. No
sense in spending more money on Microsoft.

I think this is great for the IT world. Finally it isn't like a Borg fest
out there and asking for Linux is being listened too. Especially when you
let them know you need a X-Windows server to do your job. No extra charge
with Linux.

At home, people are looking at Macs, a relative just had a PC crap out and
to fix it does not make sense. So they are shopping. They haven't decided
yet, they are looking at an Apple and a XP. They already have decided no to
Vista after talking to a relative who wanted Vista and is now stuck with it.
I wasn't even involved, LOL.

Killing XP will force the IT world to take a long serious look at how locked
they want to be on Microsoft going forward and the costs of such a move.
 
Yep, I think it's clear that Microsoft got shafted by Hollywood over this DRM
deal.
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I'm not sure I'd say they got shafted. It looks to me like Ballmer
hoped his DVD-based OS would, with the help of Hollywood, lock
consumers of digital entertainment into his OS forever, and he'd get a
cut on every playback.

To the cost of many thousands of hours of coding work on what could
have been a great OS, had it been designed with performance instead of DRM as
the prime consideration.

Still I'm relieved that DRM has been so forcefully rejected by the
computer-buying public, after all the future of a DRM-laced computer industry
would have been a bleak one indeed.

On the same subject, we were discussing the issue of whether DVD encryption
and regionalization
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I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
automatically bypasses region coding. This was quite a PITA for me,
since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add) in Europe. I
can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
Ubuntu---no problem!
 
I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
automatically bypasses region coding.
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So you have installed the DVD code, the illegal stuff?
This was quite a PITA for me,
since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add
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Why tell us it legal when you have installed illegal software to play them?
You may as well have downloaded the region free versions off the net.
) in Europe. I
can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
Ubuntu---no problem!
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Its no problem on windows either if you want to install illegal software
but at least we can play DVDs in one region legally while you can't on
ubuntu.

You really shouldn't have bought the legality into this thread. ;-)
 
So you have installed the DVD code, the illegal stuff?


Why tell us it legal when you have installed illegal software to play them?
You may as well have downloaded the region free versions off the net.


Its no problem on windows either if you want to install illegal software
but at least we can play DVDs in one region legally while you can't on
ubuntu.

You really shouldn't have bought the legality into this thread. ;-)
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You are correct that I could have installed software to circumvent css
on Windows or Macs.
The software I use under ubuntu is libdvdcss. It is common, almost
universal, on Linux machines because without it you cannot play most
DVDs at all.

However, it is not at all clear that libdvdcss is illegal. I quote
from wikipedia:

"Unlike DeCSS, libdvdcss has never been fought over in a courtroom, in
part because Section 1201(f) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
authorizes such circumvention for purposes of software
interoperability."
 
Don't listen to what people say about Vista not being a gaming OS. I think
they just assumed the backwards compatibility would be non-existant. Vista
has a clean interface that looks very nice. It's can utilize DirectX 10
(which is key unless you plan on having a system specifically to play games
from the 1990s). I was going to stick with XP because I listened to the
negativity, but my friend told me to go for it and so I did and I'm not
looking back. It's terrific. And in terms of playing old games, I bought
Hitman the week it came out back in 1999/2000. Before XP even existed, and it
installed on Vista no problem. I couldn't install it on XP either. So THERE.
The only game I couldn't play was original Doom, the original Windows 95
version. So it's your decision, Doom or Crysis. Crysis rocks the house, by
the way. Go Vista, you won't regret it. And it's not as buggy (for your
typical above-average-knowledge user like myself) as people, or those stupid
lame Mac commercials suggest.
 
Don't listen to what people say about Vista not being a gaming OS. I think
they just assumed the backwards compatibility would be non-existant. Vista
has a clean interface that looks very nice. It's can utilize DirectX 10
(which is key unless you plan on having a system specifically to play games
from the 1990s). I was going to stick with XP because I listened to the
negativity, but my friend told me to go for it and so I did and I'm not
looking back. It's terrific. And in terms of playing old games, I bought
Hitman the week it came out back in 1999/2000. Before XP even existed, and it
installed on Vista no problem. I couldn't install it on XP either. So THERE.
The only game I couldn't play was original Doom, the original Windows 95
version. So it's your decision, Doom or Crysis. Crysis rocks the house, by
the way. Go Vista, you won't regret it. And it's not as buggy (for your
typical above-average-knowledge user like myself) as people, or those stupid
lame Mac commercials suggest.
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- So ,

what advantages are there with Vista for the average user ?

- Check out the link below . .

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html
 
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