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I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I regularly myself. While I
agree with Bruce Chambers sentiments regarding CCleaner checking what
CCleaner is actually removing, in the few years I've been using CCleaner I
can't say that I've actually been in a position were CCleaner has located a
large amount of 'problems' that needed fixing, even on brand new machine. I
purchased a new machine two weeks ago, installed and run CCleaner and it
only found 2 problems.

Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how, after using a
registry cleaner one automatically thinks, WoW that certainly improved
things when, in reality it has done nothing of the sort. I certainly haven't
seen any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable, anyway.

One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at any rate is that
when CCleaner is doing general housekeeping, i.e., removing temporary
internet files, history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image of Windows
Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens to be a fluke I am
beginning to ask myself who I actually cleaning what CCleaner or Vista Disk
Cleanup?

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John said:
I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I regularly myself.
While I agree with Bruce Chambers sentiments regarding CCleaner checking
what CCleaner is actually removing, in the few years I've been using
CCleaner I can't say that I've actually been in a position were CCleaner
has located a large amount of 'problems' that needed fixing, even on
brand new machine. I purchased a new machine two weeks ago, installed
and run CCleaner and it only found 2 problems.
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I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no
additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then
uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred
allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly
"suspicious" files.

Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how, after using a
registry cleaner one automatically thinks, WoW that certainly improved
things when, in reality it has done nothing of the sort. I certainly
haven't seen any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable, anyway.

One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at any rate is
that when CCleaner is doing general housekeeping, i.e., removing
temporary internet files, history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image
of Windows Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens to be
a fluke I am beginning to ask myself who I actually cleaning what
CCleaner or Vista Disk Cleanup?
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CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive.


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Utter Nonsense.

CCleaner has worked beautifully for me for several years.

I've cleaned out thousands of useless entries from my Registry.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
 
Are you able to show evidence that the deletion of useless registry
entries appreciably improves the performance of a PC?
 
It is nothing but trash taking up space on your system. It has NO benefits,
only potential problems.
 
D. Spencer Hines said:
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.
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And clearly stated that it did *NOT* provide any performance benefits....

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.
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Useful, how, precisely? It doesn't do anything of any value.


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My box runs faster and smoother after I use CCleaner, including both the
Registry Cleaner and Basic Cleaner, which does much more than just delete
Temporary Internet Files, properly employed.

DSH
 
yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,
regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase
through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and
without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any
increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame
regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is
negligible.

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Windows - Shell/User

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D. Spencer Hines said:
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself....
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Yeah, I can't speak for Vista, but ccleaner is pretty
good with all the previous versions of windows. I'm
pretty curious about Vista and the "run & switch" type
thing you mentioned, but not curious enough to buy it
since it seems to give me nothing of any advantage over
what I currently have and which is very satisfactory.
IMO whenever one comes across some purist who says
to "never" use a certain application when it's been
around for as long as ccleaner (and several others) has
and with its good history, they can pretty much be
ignored.
I would caution however that, as with ANY
application that plays with the registry or any system
files or functions, one should always RTFM and be
certain their data is backed up. At the very least,
with XP, do a System State backup first; it's quick and
easy to Restore, and more reliable then Restore Points.
And every copy of XP is capable of it.

HTH

Pop`
 
Bruce Chambers said:
CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I
use
it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive.
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That sounds a tad suspicious when that ability is
available natively . But, you're entitled to your
opinion, applicability and reality aside.

Pop`
 
Because it comes from an MVP doesn't make it that much
better than any other thughtful poster on this group.
At least two other MVPs will tell you not to use it
under any circumstances for registry work. Those same
two instead suggest editing the registry manually;
completely folly for a lot more people than using a
cleaner ever screwed up.
All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests
in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating
system. That's good, but it doesn't mean that their
expertise is in the area of any particular thread, nor
that they are going to have any more common sense than
the next guy. All it says is they passed the test to
get the title. A few even use the title when it's not
true, but I don't see a lot of that on this particular
group.
So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could
also be no better than anyone else's responses. As
with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning
who the better players are.
--
My 2 ¢

Pop`


D. Spencer Hines said:
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

in
message
I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I
[sic]
regularly myself....
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Bruce Chambers said:
And clearly stated that it did *NOT* provide any
performance benefits....
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No one has yet insisted that it *will*, only that it's
possible in some cases. In fact, I myself explained
just that in a prior post.

Of the several machines I've used it on, I've seen it
help timing twice and straighten out "funnies" many
times, and gotten rid of effor messages for
non-existing applications many times. Of the times I
can specifically recall, there was at least one
registry-oriented fix amongst them all that related to
the improvements.
Time to stop lolly-gagging and let the thread go
back to topical discussion if there is any left. You
in particular are being a wart on the ass of progress
here and should just move on.

Pop`
 
I'm not singling you out John, because you sound like a
reasonable person. But, this does seem a good place to
make a few comments on the arguement s being presented:

Very true and well said John, except that it's the
cleaning of the registry that isn't resulting in any
speed increases, as would be expected, not solely the
use of ccleaner or any other "cleaner" for the
registry.

Personally, rather than this arguing and restating
things, I think checking to see if the OP is open to
input is in order and if so, then addressing his
initial problem is even more in order. IIRC no one but
me has chosen to offer him any understanding of what
cleaning the registry might accomplish, and where he
can look after that's done, assuming it doesn't improve
anything perceptibly. But it's been lost in all the
arguing and even egocentric comments flying around.
The OP be damned, the arguing factions are insisting on
taking over the thread at the OP's expense. This
happens way too often here lately and should be
stopped.

Regards John,

Pop`



John Barnett MVP said:
yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in
my
original post, regularly recommend it but, unlike
you, I
haven't seen any speed increase through its use. Once
again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for
cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard
drive."
If there is any performance, and without testing it
rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining
any
increase in performance I would have to say that any
such
claim to fame regarding current increase in
performance,
if indeed there is any, is negligible.
--

D. Spencer Hines said:
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

in
message
I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I
[sic]
regularly myself....
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All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests
in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating
system.
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No, this is not at all correct.

First, being an MVP doesn't necessarily have anything to do with
Microsoft operating systems. Many people have other specialties, and
get their MVP awards for supporting other Microsoft
software/technology. There are Word MVPs, Excel MVPs, Publisher MVPs,
Access MVPs, Expression MVPs, Outlook MVPs, Security MVPs, and many
other types.

Second, there is no testing involved. The award is based on a history
of providing consistent and accurate advice.

For more information about the MVP program, read here:


So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could
also be no better than anyone else's responses. As
with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning
who the better players are.
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I completely agree with that, and have said the same thing in these
newsgroups many times.

By the way, every MVP was once not an MVP, and every MVP posted good
information before he became an MVP (that's how he became one).
 
That's DSH, kind sir.

CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases.

I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,
regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase
through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and
without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any
increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame
regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is
negligible.

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Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

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There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself...
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Poprivet` said:
That sounds a tad suspicious when that ability is
available natively . But, you're entitled to your
opinion, applicability and reality aside.

Pop`
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"Suspicious?" How so? I could understand if you'd said "redundant" or
"unnecessary."

The ability to remove temporary files is available natively, as you
say, but it's a rather tedious process, as the WinXP disk cleaning
routine cleans those files _only_ from the profile of the user running
the cleanup utility. If there's only ever one user on the computer,
this is fine. But, for computers with by multiple users, one must
either log into each individual account and run the disk cleanup, or one
must manually clean all of the files out of all of the other user
profiles. CCleaner allows one user (with administrative privileges, of
course) to clean the temp files out of all - or a few targeted -
profiles at once. It's a handy time-saver, primarily.


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
Poprivet` said:
Because it comes from an MVP doesn't make it that much
better than any other thughtful poster on this group.
At least two other MVPs will tell you not to use it
under any circumstances for registry work. Those same
two instead suggest editing the registry manually;
completely folly for a lot more people than using a
cleaner ever screwed up.
Click to expand...


While it's true that there is some risk in editing the registry
manually, there is far less chance of a single manual registry change
rendering the computer unbootable, than there is when allowing a poorly
understood software utility to make global changes. And we always
advise a backup be made first.

All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests
in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating
system. That's good, but it doesn't mean that their
expertise is in the area of any particular thread, nor
that they are going to have any more common sense than
the next guy. All it says is they passed the test to
get the title. A few even use the title when it's not
true, but I don't see a lot of that on this particular
group.
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No, that's completely wrong. There's no test (other than "the test of
time") to become an MVP. The MVP status is awarded for one's having
given frequent and consistently accurate technical advice for at least
the past year.

So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could
also be no better than anyone else's responses. As
with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning
who the better players are.
Click to expand...


It is true that even MVPs can make mistakes, have opinions, etc. So
it's worthwhile, as always, to weigh the various options before choosing
a course of action.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding.

The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry
Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it.

I certainly do.

DSH
 
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