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dszady
I think I want to live there
I think I want to live there
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Steven Burn
</snip>I think I want to live there
Live where?...... the North East? (I've lived here most of my life and can't
stand it, lol...... just can't afford to move)
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Charles D. Bohne
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:35:59 -0000, "Steven Burn"
Helen Benoist
suggest ;-))
Cheers
C.
Helen Benoist
I am convinced that she looks much better than those crappy pictures
suggest ;-))
Maybe .. as a close friend you could ....?
Yes, as always, .. you work very fast!
Cheers
C.
S
Steven Burn
</snip>Charles D. Bohne said:
She does ;o).... much better.
</snip>
I could....... ;o)
</snip>
Strangely, thats what my ex kept telling me
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John Corliss
Steven said:
Damn!!! That girl's a hottie!
S
Steven Burn
</snip>John Corliss said:
hehe, my thoughts exactly ;o)
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ms
Susan said:
Susan, this is my review notes on text editors from the last 6 months.
-----------------
Edxor - Pro: opens large files but gets slow , works good, good replace
Con: top line- need to delete space to create dotted line, find
sometimes does not find
Notetab Lite- Pro: works well, scroll text, when opening previously
modified file, goes directly to that spot in file sometimes. Removes
spaces in text.
Con: 1. highlight extends too far
2. cursor not easily to left column
ACF Notes: Pro: opens large files quick
Con: font change does not work, can't evaluate further
EgPad- Pro: opens large files quick, multiple undo
Con: not save font setting, opens minimized
Context- Pro: move colums of text, opens large files, scroll text.
Con: ***no word wrap- special purpose because of this.
PSPad - Pro: opens large files quickly
Con: difficult settings, word wrap problem, confirm on save
Note- new version to be evaluated.
Editor2.5 - Pro: works well
Con: very slow loading of 2 MB file
Metapad- Pro: works well on smaller files, scroll text
Con: very slow loading a 1.3 mb file, stalls on 5 mb file.
Prolix- Pro: works well, scroll text, opens large file quickly
Con: setting problems, mouse moves slowly down the screen?
CryptEdit 4.0 Pro: opens rich text files RTF
Con: nearly stalls on 500 KB file
Atlantis Nova- word processor
Con: screen opens with text screen inside wide margins.
Wpad32 1.0.14: slow to open 500 KB files, later versions poor line
number system
Editpad Classic- Pro: works very well, excellent find function
Con: slow with larger (1.5 MB) files
problems:
1. opens a blank file, can't exit a file
2. problems in entering text
3. printing issues
Editpad Lite- Pro: opens large files (>2 MB) quickly, scroll text, move
columns of text ?
Con: problems:
1. opens 5 files at same time, then has blank current file
2. text cut from file does not reduce file size, deleted text
not deleted.
3. adds one space above pasted text
4. find is clumsy
Discarded:
Notepad++ X- missing files message
Paddy- X- 64 KB file limitation, then uses Wordpad
TextBox- X- opens files minimized, confirm save message
Quick Editor- ***has no settings, limited
Easy Write- X- has borders, limited, N/A word processor
Yikes- X-limited features
Gun- X- limited features
Abiword- 3.7 mb install, too large, less usable screen
PFE Programmer File Editor- X changes file settings, file associations
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ms
Bjorn said:A wish perhaps, about feature comparison table
on <http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/TextEditorReview.php>
under "Key to the table entries:" we find among other features:
"15. W (word wrap at a user defined column) U (Unwrap)"
I wish it would list SW for soft-wrap (only wrap on screen, does not
modify file) and hard-wrap (modifes file) and SHW (both). AFAIK
Windows Notepad (and most clones) belongs to the first category, PFE
to the second (others?).
Speaking of PFE - just noticed that PFE
<http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004PROGRAMMING.htm#B205>
is listed twice on
<http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/CumulativePL.htm>
First entry: PFE - > 2001
Second entry: Programmer's File Editor (PFE) -> 2004
Assuming both entries refer to the same program (?)
Also, you might want to add PFE below the table on
the <TextEditorReview.php> page, to the handy(!)
list of available freeware alternatives.
To that list you might also want to add CNOTEPAD:
<http://www.cetussoft.com/cnotepad.htm>
Don't know anything about it, just passing the URL.
(to many editors - to little time
Btw: Re editors and reviews of -
some might find the following informativ
<http://www.softpanorama.org/Editors/edit_win32.shtml>
(above page from the "Folding/Orthodox Editors" site
<http://www.softpanorama.org/Editors/index.shtml>
a sibling to the "Orthodox File Managers" site
<http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/index.shtml> )
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
Thanks, very interesting. I notice on the page that Metapad has no file
size limit. There's nothing wrong with my copy, but it freezes on large
files.
Mike Sa
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ms
ms said:
It always happens- my list hadn't changed for about 6 weeks. I posted
it, then saw Karen's post about Kankowski Edit, after initial looks,
it's at the top of my list! It looks good for large files.
Mike Sa
M
ms
omega said:
Thanks, Karen. It is a very nice one, as I said later in the thread.
Mike Sa
S
Susan Bugher
ms said:
SNIP
Thanks Mike, some good info. I sent a revised file to REMbranded for
review (and revision if needed) yesterday (pages at the main/alt. URL's
are out of sync at the moment). I *think* I've gotten the soft/hard wrap
sorted out (my bad - Rembranded had the proper distinction). May be a
little while before I get to the next round of changes . . .
FWIW - my revisions are here:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/TextEditorReview.php
Susan
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ms
omega said:
I do notice one thing:
Select All, normally a toolbar option, is keyboard CTRL/A.
Wonder why he did that, in toolbar pulldown menu are things I would use
rarely, Select All is daily.
Mike Sa
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Al Smith
Susan, this is my review notes on text editors from the last 6 months.
Good summary.
Good summary.
B
Bjorn Simonsen
ms wrote in <[email protected]>:
[...snip...]
YW, but you can thank me and everyone by making your
messages easier to read - please snip:
"When quoting another person, edit out whatever isn't directly
applicable to your reply. Don't let your mailing or Usenet
software automatically quote the entire body of messages you are
replying to when it's not necessary. Take the time to edit any
quotations down to the minimum necessary to provide context for
your reply" <http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/net/dis.html>
"It is extremely bad form to simply reply to a message by
including all the previous message: edit out all the irrelevant
material." <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html>
see for example:
"Suggestions: How to Form Your Reply"
<http://home.online.no/~shughes/a57998/quote.html#004>
"How do I quote correctly in Usenet?"
<http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
and if needed:
"Why it is sensible to observe the Netiquette"
<http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/netiquet.html>
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
[...snip...]
YW, but you can thank me and everyone by making your
messages easier to read - please snip:
"When quoting another person, edit out whatever isn't directly
applicable to your reply. Don't let your mailing or Usenet
software automatically quote the entire body of messages you are
replying to when it's not necessary. Take the time to edit any
quotations down to the minimum necessary to provide context for
your reply" <http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/net/dis.html>
"It is extremely bad form to simply reply to a message by
including all the previous message: edit out all the irrelevant
material." <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html>
see for example:
"Suggestions: How to Form Your Reply"
<http://home.online.no/~shughes/a57998/quote.html#004>
"How do I quote correctly in Usenet?"
<http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
and if needed:
"Why it is sensible to observe the Netiquette"
<http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/netiquet.html>
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
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ms
REM said:
As you say on your chart, YMMV. Your test results say that Editpad
Classic/Lite can work with 100 MB files. On my machine, I used Classic
for years, and it always got slow with file size over 1 MB, Lite over 2
MB. Metapad froze at 1.3 MB, so did The Gun.
What is the likely reason our results are so different?
Mike Sa
S
Steven Burn
ms said:
That could be anything from system configuration, to the amount of RAM you
have, to the CPU you have, or even, the version of Windows you are running.
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Steve King
One freeware editor that seems to have been overlooked by this group,
Crimson Editor from http://www.crimsoneditor.com/. In addition to the
usual features, it also offer FTP and project management.
Steve . . .
Crimson Editor from http://www.crimsoneditor.com/. In addition to the
usual features, it also offer FTP and project management.
Steve . . .
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ms
Steven said:
Steve, I'm sure that could be an explanation.
But. he and I both use W98SE, while I have only 96 MB RAM (he has 256),
I always have lots of free RAM, I have a P166 (he has a 500).
For instance, your ACF Notes opens large files more quickly than
anything else- on my machine- but until it's modified I can't use it due
to the font thing and runtime error.
Since REM did the tests, I hope he can comment.
Mike Sa
R
REM
I just saw your posts of results for several editors and I'm really
unsure why the differences could be so drastic. As Steven pointed out
there are a great many variables, both hardware and software, that
come together to produce the end result.
After building several systems (Frankenstein style) from old 286's up
to Pentiums I did notice a drastic difference when I finally shelled
out and bought a HP Pavilion. It really blows away any of the systems
I've put together myself as far as performance and stability go.
I suspect they are far better at selecting and matching quality
components than I was. RAM was $45 a meg on my first upgrade. I
usually chose the cheaper stuff, figuring it was all made in the same
places. But now, I really believe there is quite a difference in the
quality of components and that some components simply work better with
other components to produce a better end result.
The Pavilion came with pre-installed 98SE OEM software and it was
darned near bulletproof. I've read where others have had a really bad
time with 98SE. All I can think is that HP matched components and
software and drivers in grand fashion.
I have 256 megs of good ram, so I could hold the entire 100 meg file
in memory. That's one difference in our systems, but I see that you
have problems with Crypt Edit with 500k files. I think this might be
hardware related, as I've read others who have had similar
difficulties with CE. This could be as simple as the brand of
processor, I dunno. I'm Intel and it's my default editor.
I cannot figure why EditPad Light/Classic give you problems with 1-2
meg files. I think these two opened the largest files the quickest on
my machine. It was a struggle for a few of the other editors, but they
did get the files opened.
One thing that is obvious, you need plenty of free harddrive space for
your swapfile when opening large files. You might try setting it at a
user setting of MIN =200megs, MAX=200megs and see if you can see any
improvement (or 300 megs). Dynamically allocating the swap drive size
and the disk locations taxes your performance a bit. I was letting
Windows manage my swapfile when I tested the editors, but I had 600
megs of free drive space at the time on a 7200 Maxtor. A faster drive
with a larger cache makes quite an inprovement over an older and
slower drive. Some of the newer 7200's have an 8 meg cache, which is
solid state and will greatly enhance disk swapping.
I just got a new system that I selected each component online and they
put the sucker together. I noticed that the choices were a bit
limited. I suspect they only offer hardware they knew was quality and
that works effectively with the other components. I chose quality RAM
that was quite a bit more expensive than the others offered.
I got XP and the updates installed and it really is bulletproof. I
tried everything I could do to remove OE and it reinstalls the sucker
on the next boot. They integrated OE into the blooming OS. Not a great
idea in my opinion. It's actually quite dangerous in that OE is
probably the biggest malware target out there. Someone already figured
an exploit for systems with Internet Explorer installed, even though
IE _is not used_. It's a matter of time before someone does the same
for OE and that will wreak havoc.
However, after all I've said negative of XP... it rocks with 1 gig of
quality ram and a 2.6 Intel processor. I still wouldn't buy it out of
principle. They gave it to me to handle Visual Basic .NET in the
academic initiative (they want people using their .NET so they have a
better chance of selling it).
As far as your performance goes, all I can suggest is to uninstall
everything that you do not use, backup the registry, and clean the
registry aggressively with RegSeeker. You particularily want nothing
loading at startup except for a firewall and scanner. I've had great
luck with Kerio 2.1.5 and AVG. If you only allow these to load at
startup, you're defragged, your registry is as slim as it can be, and
you have ample swap space you're going to be at peak performance for
your hardware. Loading a single program at startup, like Norton, can
drag you to a crawl. I think it's pretty important to have only a
scanner and firewall load on an internet machine. I get rid of
anything I cannot prevent from loading at startup so that I startup
with every resource possible available. I'm going to connect to the
internet, so these two are essential, but well behaved and very
thrifty programs.
Or, try closing everything that is loaded in the taskbar and try the
editors again. If you see an improvement then try the above.
If neither works, it might be time to consider getting a new machine.
I know this blows, but my Frankenstein experiences have left me with
the opinion that a considerable amount of knowledge is required to
match components. Far more experience in the individual components is
required than the nominal user has. All of my creations worked. They
just did not have the zip of a machine put together by a professional
has and they were not as stable either.
S
Steven Burn
</snip>ms said:
My mothers actually got a P120 w/96MB ram (bleedin slow as heck IMHO)
</snip>
I'm completely baffled as far as the font thing is concerned as so far, you
seem to be the only one thats having the problem (which is making it a
nightmare to diagnose).
Not sure which runtime error you are referring to though........?
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