Power Supply Sizing?

[ric]

But Tom's most recent PSU test said that only 2 of 13
PSUs tested had thermal protection(Chieftec and Verax,
www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20030609/power_supplies-09.html), and
neither was PCP&C (their 400W Ultra-Silent suffered damage when
overloaded to 435W).

Just compared the specifications for the true PC Power & Cooling
Silencer 400 ATX with the specifications provided for the "PC Cooling
400w Ultra-Silent" given at the above URL.

** Different companies. Different PSUs **

I wonder if PCP&C is aware of the confusion?

 

[Pack Fan]

I was saying that advising someone to pay $200 for a power supply for a HOME
SYSTEM is ridiculous. And it is definitely NOT a "case of 'penny wise and
pound foolish.' ", as you said. A $40 power supply, maybe. $100 is PLENTY
to get a high quality power supply that will meet the needs of all but the
craziest of home systems (the system of the OP certainly does not warrant
anything crazy.)

Well, as the OP I'll weigh-in. I do need something very significant since
this is a dual system with drives a plenty (four 120 GB HDs, a CDRW and a
DVDRW at present and sure to grow).

I've settled on the Antec True550 EPS12V 550W because it meets the server
system infrastructure specification that my MB requires. At $108 I think
it's really pricey, but I'm confident that it's a good decision.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=270019

 

[Pack Fan]

Uh oh, watch out... ric and tomw are gonna get you. Sure, it's meaty, a
beast, can drive large loads for prolonged periods, and conservatively
rated.... but dammit man! It's only $100! Don't you know that if don't
spend $200 on a power supply, you're being "penny-wise and pound

foolish"?!!

Yes, but I have to pay $109. So there.

 

[jeffc]

Yes, but I have to pay $109. So there.

You'll have to ask ric if that's enough to spend. Somehow, I think he'll
try to convince you "no".

 

[ric]

No, packfan did. He said he wouldn't want to spend $199. You told him in
that case he was penny wise and pound FOOLISH.

Never said that. Again what I said was "IMO, not enough $$$ is put into
the equipment to power these high end systems. A definite case of "penny
wise and pound foolish." Even a blind man can see the difference in the
two statements. Pity that you must change what one says in order to make
a point.

And you posting a link of a
review - that contained OBVIOUS misinformation -

And only a fool calls a 5% error in price "OBVIOUS misinformation." And
you do it only to make a point.

- or in your words that "many others" would
find an appropriate amount to spend on a power supply. Still waiting for
info on that assertion.

You don't find it a bit odd that PCP&C would create NINE incarnations of
a PSU, and many PC magazines and online sources would *review* a PSU that
*nobody* wanted? You're right. Nobody wants one, but the reviews continue
and the production continues. It's a giant conspiracy.

 

[ric]

You recommended a $200 power supply.

Not really. He was wondering about getting enough power for his system
and asked, "Should I just get a 500 W and hope that's enough?" I gave
him another option, a 510 ATX designed for his MB, and a URL to check
it out.

packfan said
"Unfortunately, cost is a pretty significant factor for me."
Then you said "Your decision. IMO, not enough $$$ is put into the equipment
to power
these high end systems. A definite case of "penny wise and pound foolish.""

So, how do you explain that?

Basic reading comprehension. His decision not to spend $200 on a PSU was
just that - his decision. End of subject.

I added that "IMO, not enough $$$ is put into the equipment to power
these high end systems. A definite case of "penny wise and pound foolish."
This was a general observation (shared by many others.) At no point did I
claim that *his decision* was foolish. Is Engish your second language?

Why do you insist on misrepresenting what I wrote? The OP even stated
that the 510 XE *would* be his choice if cost was not a factor.

 

[jeffc]

Basic reading comprehension. His decision not to spend $200 on a PSU was
just that - his decision. End of subject.

I added that "IMO, not enough $$$ is put into the equipment to power
these high end systems. A definite case of "penny wise and pound foolish."
This was a general observation (shared by many others.) At no point did I
claim that *his decision* was foolish. Is Engish your second language?

So he says the $200 power supply that you provided the link to is too
expensive for him. You reply "IMO, not enough $$$ is put into the equipment
to power these high end systems. A definite case of "penny wise and pound
foolish."

And now you want to say that your reply was not a direct reply to his
statement - just a random muse on the general state of things. Uh huh. If
you say so.

Why do you insist on misrepresenting what I wrote?

Uh huh, yeah, sure. Hey, could you pass along some of that peyote,
caballero?

 

[jeffc]

Well, as the OP I'll weigh-in. I do need something very significant since
this is a dual system with drives a plenty (four 120 GB HDs, a CDRW and a
DVDRW at present and sure to grow).

I've settled on the Antec True550 EPS12V 550W because it meets the server
system infrastructure specification that my MB requires. At $108 I think
it's really pricey, but I'm confident that it's a good decision.

It is on the pricey side, but probably worth it, and regardless of comments
to the contrary I'm confident it's a good decision too. Good luck with it.

 

[jeffc]

I'll have to spend more time traipsing through that article, but two
things bother me at the page you provided:

1) They constantly call the company "PC Cooling." The name of the company
to which I refer is "PC Power & Cooling."
2) They constantly call the power supply the "Ultra-Silent." PC Power &
Cooling's supply is called the "Silencer."

Just out of curiosity, do you find a recent quote relevant here?
"For you to use *that* as your sole fault with the site information only
exposes your red face. Somebody with a little class would gracefully admit
their mistake and move on."

 

[jeffc]

You don't find it a bit odd that PCP&C would create NINE incarnations of
a PSU, and many PC magazines and online sources would *review* a PSU that
*nobody* wanted? You're right.

I'm right? What did I say, nobody wants one? Where did I say that? Still
waiting for info on your assertion that "many others" would find that an
appropriate amount to spend on a power supply.
a) I've been talking about a HOME USER all along (check my posts), so high
end server computers aren't counted
b) just because a review exists doesn't mean people are buying it. I read
reviews on $100,000 stereo systems in magazines all the time. I don't buy
them, I don't know anyone else who has ever bought one, I on very rare
occasions read about someone who has bought one, but I enjoy reading the
review all the same. Reviews are there to sell magazines. Reviews do not
relate to number of units sold. So far, I haven't heard anyone at all
coming to your defense to say that they, too, would advise spending $200 for
a power supply for a home PC.

 

[ric]

Just out of curiosity, do you find a recent quote relevant here?
"For you to use *that* as your sole fault with the site information only
exposes your red face. Somebody with a little class would gracefully admit
their mistake and move on."

Hardly. larrymoencurly thought that the failed PSU was a PC Power and
Cooling product. I simply pointed out that it wasn't. "PC Cooling" and
"PC Power & Cooling" are two different companies. The failed "Ultra-Silent"
PSU is *not* a PC Power & Cooling product. How is your above comment at
all relevant to this? I made *NO* comment at all about the accuracy of site,
just on larrymoencurly's belief that the failed PSU was a PCP&C product.

You are quite anal and argumentative. You moan and groan, even though the
OP to which my comments are directed easily understand them. Your reading
skills leave a lot to be desired. I am done explaining things to you.

 

[larrymoencurly]

I'll have to spend more time traipsing through that article, but
two things bother me at the page you provided:

1) They constantly call the company "PC Cooling." The name of the
company to which I refer is "PC Power & Cooling."
2) They constantly call the power supply the "Ultra-Silent."
PC Power & Cooling's supply is called the "Silencer."

Are you sure they were talking about PC Power & Cooling's "Silencer" ??

Just compared the specifications for the true PC Power & Cooling
Silencer 400 ATX with the specifications provided for the "PC Cooling
400w Ultra-Silent" given at the above URL.

** Different companies. Different PSUs **

I wonder if PCP&C is aware of the confusion?

I think you're right because
www.teccentral.de/artikel/artikel_183.html shows that it has 3 fans,
which seems out of character for PCP&C, and the 420W power rating and
funny plastic lining around the hole where the power cables come out
could mean that it's made by Sirtec (Vantec, Thermaltake, High Power).

 

[larrymoencurly]

If you want to be overly cautious you could use the Antec 550 Watt
True-Power PSU. It's a meaty beast that will drive very large loads
for prolonged periods; it's conservatively rated.

What happens if its fans fail?

 

[jeffc]

You are quite anal and argumentative. You moan and groan, even though the
OP to which my comments are directed easily understand them. Your reading
skills leave a lot to be desired.

Let's check your reading skills. I asked a simple question "just out of
curiosity". Pretty simple reading there.

I am done explaining things to you.

Unfortunately, you haven't explained much of anything useful to anyone so
far.