[PL] 2004 Discussion: SYSTEM UTILITIES

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jason said:
I'd make startup utilities a separate category.

I'd move Add/Remove Pro to the install/uninstall utilities. I know it
deals only with the registry, but people use it in connection with
uninstalling programs.
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Yeah, I was being "pedantic." The thing just deals with a registry key,
that's all. It doesn't monitor an install, or help in that way at all.
Your point that people would look for it under install/uninstall, I can't
dispute that.

My first instinct is to put system tweakers in the System Utilities
section.
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I don't think progammers even bother tweaking their systems anyway. :)

They just focus on pounding together code, letting all the wild runtimes and
libraries run about furiously every which way, as they work, then deal with
cleanup via regular OS reinstalls. <discalaimer! speculation kidding etc>
 
omega said:
IMO, they just need to be all clumped adjacent to each other. Not
saying they're all members of an identical category, at all. How's it
look with spacing?
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Looks good!
 
omega said:
jason wrote:

I don't think progammers even bother tweaking their systems anyway. :)

They just focus on pounding together code, letting all the wild
runtimes and libraries run about furiously every which way, as they
work, then deal with cleanup via regular OS reinstalls. <discalaimer!
speculation kidding etc>
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You may be kidding, but you're right on with associating programming with
pounding together code. Somehow, system tweaking doesn't fit...
 
jason said:
Are you saying this should be under SYSTEM UTILITIES, but called File
Utilities-Backup? Wouldn't it belong under FILE UTILITIES???
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I'm not trying to work across global cats, I had the impression we were
too late for that? So if we have to work just within the System Utilities
page, then best I can say is that this entry here is pretty much File
Utilities:Backup.

I think the reason it got here in the first place, might be that Susan
saw it as "System Administration." Since I believe groups are staying put
at this point in time, our best hope would be to have a "See Also" on the
File Utilities page...
 
jason said:
Sounds good.

Sounds good.
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On this "misc" post, I just clumped a bunch of like things together. I wish
for something more structured, anything a tad more hierarchical. But when you
look at all those clumps, it's hard to see a way to order their placement
all together, beyond the first clumpings...
 
Susan Bugher said:
IOW I grouped by the type of operation they perform - I think you are
grouping by what part of the system they effect . . .
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I'm intimate with 90% of the tools on the page, where it becomes most natural
to separate registry tools from file tools from install monitors, etc. I
really believe it'd be the same with most all system tools fans...
Have just glanced at your posts - will start trying to digest them now.
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I'm not sure what next step is? Wait for more posts? Or that you, or I,
or someone, tries to post a revised draft, using the numbering system?
 
jason said:
I'd make startup utilities a separate category.
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My hesitation has mostley to do with the issue that this page already has
such a high number of varied categories, that makes it overmuch....

It could be possible useful for these to be x-ref'd on the anti-malware
page ?
 
omega said:
I'm not trying to work across global cats, I had the impression we were
too late for that? So if we have to work just within the System Utilities
page, then best I can say is that this entry here is pretty much File
Utilities:Backup.

I think the reason it got here in the first place, might be that Susan
saw it as "System Administration." Since I believe groups are staying put
at this point in time, our best hope would be to have a "See Also" on the
File Utilities page...
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Backup Utilities are in SYSTEM UTILITIES in PL2003 - IMO they could be
in either FILE UTILITIES OR SYSTEM UTILIIIES - I left them where people
are used to seeing them . . .

Karen - This seems to be what you've come up with so far - I haven't
gone through the last flurry of posts to see if any have changed. The
top list is in the order that they appear on the web page now. Below
that is an alphabetical list.

I labeled one program with a category of zzz to indicate you thought it
should be moved to another page.

I'm going to take a harder look now at your suggestions.

Susan



HARDWARE TOOLS Rain (Cpu Cooler)
HARDWARE TOOLS Memtest86 (RAM Tester)
HARDWARE TOOLS MotherBoard Monitor (MBM) (Motherboard Monitor)
SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram Another Task Manager (ATM)
(Process Monitor)
SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram Filemon (Process Monitor)
SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram PRCView (Process Monitor)
SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram Process Explorer (Process
Monitor)
zzz WinPatrol (Process Monitor)
SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram MemLoad (Process Monitor: RAM)
SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram RAMpage (Process Monitor: RAM)
REGISTRY: MONITOR RegMon (Process Monitor: Registry)
SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram Quick Resource (Process
Monitor: Resources)
REGISTRY: STARTUP CONTROL Start-Up Monitor (Process Monitor: Start-Up)
REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE * EasyCleaner (Cleaner)
MSIE FILES CLEANUP Empty Temp Folders (Cleaner)
MSIE FILES CLEANUP IEradicator (Cleaner)
REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE * jv16 Powertools (Cleaner)
REGISTRY: CLEANER OleClean (Cleaner)
REGISTRY: CLEANER RegCleaner (Cleaner)
MSIE FILES CLEANUP Spider (Cleaner)
REGISTRY: EDITOR RegEditX (Registry Editor)
REGISTRY: EDITOR Registrar Lite (Registry Editor)
REGISTRY: EDITOR RegMagik (Registry Editor)
REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE * RegSeeker (Registry Editor)
REGISTRY: CLEANER Add/Remove Pro (Install-Uninstall Tool)
REGISTRY: MONITOR RegShot (Install-Uninstall Tool)
REGISTRY: INSTALL/UNINSTALL Total Uninstall (Install-Uninstall Tool)
SYSTEM TWEAKER: MEMORY Cacheman (RAM Manager)
REGISTRY: STARTUP CONTROL Startup Control Panel (Start-Up Tool)
REGISTRY: BACKUP Emergency Recovery Utility NT (ERUNT) (Backup)
SYSTEM FILES: BACKUP DLL Archive (Backup DLLs)
SYSTEM FILES: BACKUP WinDriversBackup Personal Edition (Backup Drivers)
FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP BASK (Backup Files)
FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP Cobian Backup (Backup Files)
FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP Karen's Replicator (Backup Files)
FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP My Own Backup (MOB) (Backup Files)
FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP PolderBackup (Backup Files)
FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP XXCopy (Backup Files)
PARTITION UTILIITIES XOSL (Boot Manager)
PARTITION UTILIITIES Ranish Partition Manager (Boot Manager; Partitioner)
CD & FLOPPY: Burn to the Brim (CD Tool)
CD & FLOPPY: Burnatonce (CD Tool)
CD & FLOPPY: DAEMON Tools (CD Tool)
CD & FLOPPY: SuperFormat (Format Diskettes)
PARTITION UTILIITIES Savepart (Partition Tool)
OS Debian (Operating System)
OS FreeBSD (Operating System)
OS Cygwin (Os: Unix For Windows)

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Add/Remove Pro (Install-Uninstall Tool) REGISTRY: CLEANER
Another Task Manager (ATM) (Process Monitor) SYSTEM MONITORS:
processes, resources, ram
BASK (Backup Files) FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP
Burn to the Brim (CD Tool) CD & FLOPPY:
Burnatonce (CD Tool) CD & FLOPPY:
Cacheman (RAM Manager) SYSTEM TWEAKER: MEMORY
Cobian Backup (Backup Files) FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP
Cygwin (Os: Unix For Windows) OS
DAEMON Tools (CD Tool) CD & FLOPPY:
Debian (Operating System) OS
DLL Archive (Backup DLLs) SYSTEM FILES: BACKUP
EasyCleaner (Cleaner) REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE *
Emergency Recovery Utility NT (ERUNT) (Backup) REGISTRY: BACKUP
Empty Temp Folders (Cleaner) MSIE FILES CLEANUP
Filemon (Process Monitor) SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram
FreeBSD (Operating System) OS
IEradicator (Cleaner) MSIE FILES CLEANUP
jv16 Powertools (Cleaner) REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE *
Karen's Replicator (Backup Files) FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP
MemLoad (Process Monitor: RAM) SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram
Memtest86 (RAM Tester) HARDWARE TOOLS
MotherBoard Monitor (MBM) (Motherboard Monitor) HARDWARE TOOLS
My Own Backup (MOB) (Backup Files) FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP
OleClean (Cleaner) REGISTRY: CLEANER
PolderBackup (Backup Files) FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP
PRCView (Process Monitor) SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram
Process Explorer (Process Monitor) SYSTEM MONITORS: processes,
resources, ram
Quick Resource (Process Monitor: Resources) SYSTEM MONITORS: processes,
resources, ram
Rain (Cpu Cooler) HARDWARE TOOLS
RAMpage (Process Monitor: RAM) SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram
Ranish Partition Manager (Boot Manager; Partitioner) PARTITION UTILIITIES
RegCleaner (Cleaner) REGISTRY: CLEANER
RegEditX (Registry Editor) REGISTRY: EDITOR
Registrar Lite (Registry Editor) REGISTRY: EDITOR
RegMagik (Registry Editor) REGISTRY: EDITOR
RegMon (Process Monitor: Registry) REGISTRY: MONITOR
RegSeeker (Registry Editor) REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE *
RegShot (Install-Uninstall Tool) REGISTRY: MONITOR
Savepart (Partition Tool) PARTITION UTILIITIES
Spider (Cleaner) MSIE FILES CLEANUP
Start-Up Monitor (Process Monitor: Start-Up) REGISTRY: STARTUP CONTROL
Startup Control Panel (Start-Up Tool) REGISTRY: STARTUP CONTROL
SuperFormat (Format Diskettes) CD & FLOPPY:
Total Uninstall (Install-Uninstall Tool) REGISTRY: INSTALL/UNINSTALL
WinDriversBackup Personal Edition (Backup Drivers) SYSTEM FILES: BACKUP
WinPatrol (Process Monitor) zzz
XOSL (Boot Manager) PARTITION UTILIITIES
XXCopy (Backup Files) FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP





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omega said:
I'm intimate with 90% of the tools on the page, where it becomes most natural
to separate registry tools from file tools from install monitors, etc. I
really believe it'd be the same with most all system tools fans...




I'm not sure what next step is? Wait for more posts? Or that you, or I,
or someone, tries to post a revised draft, using the numbering system?
Click to expand...





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omega said:
My hesitation has mostley to do with the issue that this page already
has such a high number of varied categories, that makes it
overmuch....
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I don't think so...not when it's such a frequently sought utililty.
It could be possible useful for these to be x-ref'd on the
anti-malware page ?
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Definitely. In fact, I think we have this argument every year...should
it go under SYSTEM or SECURITY!
 
Susan Bugher said:
Karen - This seems to be what you've come up with so far - I haven't
gone through the last flurry of posts to see if any have changed. The
top list is in the order that they appear on the web page now. Below
that is an alphabetical list.
Click to expand...

Thank you for the fast work. It comes out as categories sort of this way....
HARDWARE TOOLS: cpu cooler
HARDWARE TOOLS: RAM Tester
HARDWARE TOOLS: motherboard monitor
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SYSTEM MONITORS: processes
SYSTEM MONITORS: resources
SYSTEM MONITORS: ram
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SYSTEM MONITORS: file access? (filemon)

SYSTEM MONITORS: caching manager or SYSTEM TWEAKERS: caching manager
REGISTRY: CLEANER
REGISTRY: CLEANING SUITE (?)
REGISTRY: EDITOR
REGISTRY: MONITOR
REGISTRY: STARTUP CONTROL
REGISTRY: INSTALL/UNINSTALL
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BACKUP: FILES
BACKUP: SYSTEM FILES

MSIE FILES CLEANUP (?)
CD & FLOPPY TOOLS
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PARTITION UTILITIES
 
Susan Bugher said:
but *before* that I sent a list with your subcategories (subcategory
groups?)
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Thank you, I used it. Then stripped it down to the skeleton. To see how the
layout looks...(?) I can add the programs back to the groupings shortly.
Could you add numbers to your categories?
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This is what I just sent <[email protected]>
Should I try to figure out how to add numbers to that?
 
jason said:
I don't think so...not when it's such a frequently sought utililty.


Definitely. In fact, I think we have this argument every year...should
it go under SYSTEM or SECURITY!
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Can you look over <[email protected]> and see
about inserting revision into there, and any other aspects for structuring?
 
omega said:
Thank you, I used it. Then stripped it down to the skeleton. To see how the
layout looks...(?) I can add the programs back to the groupings shortly.




This is what I just sent <[email protected]>
Should I try to figure out how to add numbers to that?
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While you were numbering too - I started at the top of the list I sent
and every time *your* name changed I increased the number.

Perhaps you could *revise* the numbers as needed to rearrange the goups
the way you think they should be?


01 HARDWARE TOOLS Rain (Cpu Cooler)
01 HARDWARE TOOLS MotherBoard Monitor (MBM) (Motherboard Monitor)
01 HARDWARE TOOLS Memtest86 (RAM Tester)
02 SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram Another Task Manager
(ATM) (Process Monitor)
02 SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram Filemon (Process Monitor)
02 SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram PRCView (Process Monitor)
02 SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram Process Explorer (Process
Monitor)
02 SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram MemLoad (Process Monitor:
RAM)
02 SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram RAMpage (Process Monitor:
RAM)
02 SYSTEM MONITORS: processes, resources, ram Quick Resource (Process
Monitor: Resources)
03 REGISTRY: MONITOR RegShot (Install-Uninstall Tool)
03 REGISTRY: MONITOR RegMon (Process Monitor: Registry)
04 REGISTRY: STARTUP CONTROLCONTROL Start-Up Monitor (Process Monitor:
Start-Up)
04 REGISTRY: STARTUP CONTROLCONTROL Startup Control Panel (Start-Up Tool)
05 07 REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE * EasyCleaner (Cleaner)
05 07 REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE * jv16 Powertools (Cleaner)
05 07 REGISTRY: CLEANER SUITE * RegSeeker (Registry Editor)
06 MSIE FILES CLEANUP Empty Temp Folders (Cleaner)
06 MSIE FILES CLEANUP IEradicator (Cleaner)
06 MSIE FILES CLEANUP Spider (Cleaner)
07 REGISTRY: CLEANER OleClean (Cleaner)
07 REGISTRY: CLEANER RegCleaner (Cleaner)
07 REGISTRY: CLEANER Add/Remove Pro (Install-Uninstall Tool)
08 REGISTRY: EDITOR RegEditX (Registry Editor)
08 REGISTRY: EDITOR Registrar Lite (Registry Editor)
08 REGISTRY: EDITOR RegMagik (Registry Editor)
09 REGISTRY: INSTALL/UNINSTALL Total Uninstall (Install-Uninstall Tool)
10 SYSTEM TWEAKER: MEMORY Cacheman (RAM Manager)
11 REGISTRY: BACKUP Emergency Recovery Utility NT (ERUNT) (Backup)
12 SYSTEM FILES: BACKUP DLL Archive (Backup DLLs)
12 SYSTEM FILES: BACKUP WinDriversBackup Personal Edition (Backup Drivers)
13 FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP BASK (Backup Files)
13 FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP Cobian Backup (Backup Files)
13 FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP Karen's Replicator (Backup Files)
13 FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP My Own Backup (MOB) (Backup Files)
13 FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP PolderBackup (Backup Files)
13 FILE UTILITIES: BACKUP XXCopy (Backup Files)
14 PARTITION UTILIITIES XOSL (Boot Manager)
14 PARTITION UTILIITIES Ranish Partition Manager (Boot Manager;
Partitioner)
14 PARTITION UTILIITIES Savepart (Partition Tool)
15 CD & FLOPPY: Burn to the Brim (CD Tool)
15 CD & FLOPPY: Burnatonce (CD Tool)
15 CD & FLOPPY: DAEMON Tools (CD Tool)
15 CD & FLOPPY: SuperFormat (Format Diskettes)
16 OS Debian (Operating System)
16 OS FreeBSD (Operating System)
16 OS Cygwin (Os: Unix For Windows)
zzz WinPatrol (Process Monitor)


Susan
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My top-level revisions are shown below:
Thank you for the fast work. It comes out as categories sort of this
way....


SYSTEM MONITORS: file access? (filemon)

SYSTEM MONITORS: caching manager or SYSTEM TWEAKERS: caching manager
Click to expand...

Recommend making above two separate from registry utilities:

STARTUP CONTROL
INSTALL/UNINSTALL
 
HARDWARE TOOLS: cpu cooler Rain
HARDWARE TOOLS: RAM Tester Memtest86
HARDWARE TOOLS: motherboard monitor MotherboardMonitor

SYSTEM MONITORS: processes PRCView, Process Explorer, ATM
SYSTEM MONITORS: resources QuickResource
SYSTEM MONITORS: ram MemLoad, RAMpage
SYSTEM MONITORS: file access FileMon

SYSTEM TWEAKERS: caching mgr Cacheman

REGISTRY: CLEANER OleClean, RegCleaner
REGISTRY: CLEANING SUITE
Click to expand...
EasyCleaner, jv16 Powertools, RegSeeker
REGISTRY: EDITOR
Click to expand...
RegEditX, Registrar Lite, RegMagik
REGISTRY: MONITOR RegMon, RegShot
REGISTRY: BACKUP Erunt
REGISTRY: INSTALL/UNINSTALL
Click to expand...
AddRemove Pro, Total Uninstall
BACKUP: FILES
Click to expand...
FolderBackup, XXCopy, BASK, MOB, Karen's Replicator, Cobian Backup
BACKUP: SYSTEM FILES
Click to expand...
WinDriversBackup, DLL Archive
CONTROL\CLEAN: STARTUPS
Click to expand...
Start-Up Monitor, Startup Control Panel
CONTROL\CLEAN: MSIE FILES
Click to expand...
Empty Temp Folders, Spider, IEradicator
CD & FLOPPY TOOLS
Click to expand...
Burn to the Brim, Burnatonce, DAEMON Tools, SuperFormat
PARTITION UTILITIES
Click to expand...
Savepart, Ranish Partition Manager, XOSL
OPERATING SYSTEMS
Click to expand...
Cygwin, Debian, FreeBSD
 
omega said:
Jeez you work so fast! I'm going to view through it right now
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I'm going to send another list in a minute - looks to me as if the order
is not too different

I *think* I'm seeing these as the ones that don't *fit*

WinPatrol

RegShot
Add/Remove Pro
Total Uninstall

back in a minute . . .



Susan
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