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George said:
That's a highly personal POV. Is it more boring than err, hockey,
baseball, cricket, football of any of its genres, or any other sport?

You bet it is - and I know I am far from the only one who feels
that way. Nobody ever complains if car racing, soccer, or
skiing is on and you want to changes channels to football,
hockey, baseball, basketball, or even golf.
The software already exists from any of the usual CAD/CFD suppliers... in
32-bit and AMD64 versions.


This is F1, not NASCAR... though AMD has hooked up with NASCAR too. F1 has
the largest global TV audience of any sport, with the sole exception of the
World Cup which only happens once every 4 years.

I'm pretty sceptical about that claim - at least as far as North
American audiences are concerned. I'd be perfectly willing to
stipulate that car racing does indeed have large audiences
outside of North America.

In every pub I've been to in Canada and the US, everyone watches
football, baseball, hockey and basketball, with even golf being
tolerated if there is nothing else on. Soccer and racing of any
kind - whether cars, horse, skiing, running - merely generate
requests for the channel to be changed.

And anyway I wasn't criticizing AMD for buying advertising on
cars because of the /size/ of the audience, but because of the
/kind/ of audience. Audience size merely determines the price of
the ads.

Many of the people who
watch F1 are interested in the technology behind it, in all its many
facets.

I figured that, but I was thinking car parts, tools, tires,
fuels, lubricants, etc - not computers.
As for NASCAR, had you missed the fact of its huge current
success, which goes far beyond the redneck crowd? It dwarfs any other U.S.
sport in spectator/viewer numbers, though it's not to my taste.

If that is the case, why are the American TV networks not showing
it ? Even up here in the Great White North I get NBC, ABC, Fox,
etc., and their sports programs are dominated by the "ball"
sports - with not much hockey and even less car racing.
I think AMD's interest here is well illustrated by Intel's fury at being
on-upped by AMD?

Intel's would have been annoyed about *any* advertising coup by
AMD - no matter how big or how small. I just can't begin to
believe that this car racing stuff even remotely qualifies as a
big one.
From another angle, why do you think tobacco so loved to
display its logos on racing cars of all genres?

Because a significant proportion of the kind of people who watch
cars go round and round like to smoke while they watch ? I
think the car racing audience is/was a far better target for the
tobacco industry than it is for AMD.
 
Chinese... schminese! What the hell's the difference? Oh yeah Dell is
going to provide a bunch of low-pay jobs in N. Carolina... b-b-but isn't
that also where Lenovo's U.S. operations, with high-pay jobs, is based?

Yes, well the engineering part anyway (IIRC the uber-PHBs are in NY).
When you look at the content of the systems, it's all Chinese mfr anyway.

Intel is *not* a Chinese mfr. ;-)
 
If you're serious about keeping heat down, make sure those
AMD CPUs do the STOP-GRANT thing.

I believe that's for the older Athlon and those weren't made @ 90nm, so
I can only assume he has a Athlon 64.
 
George Macdonald said:
We've been over this before but I don't see what in partcular there is to
like... or dislike. Like a lot of current business plans it's founded on
short-term thinking and shakey foundations - no need to delve into details
but it's simply not sustainable... and it could be self-destructive.

George, we agree on lots of things but appear to be destined to
disagree over Dell's business plan (if two people always agree, one of
them is unnecessary :). Dell has been around a long time and their
market share grows and grows and grows, along with their profits.

That's an interesting tip on Emachines. I'm accustomed to assembling
my own PCs, but it would be good to be able to recommend a reliable
inexpensive PC to others.
 
EdG said:
I believe that's for the older Athlon and those weren't made @ 90nm, so
I can only assume he has a Athlon 64.

Ed, I'm not sure which "he" you're referring to. For the record, I
have 90nm socket 754 Sempron 2600+ CPUs, two of them in identical
computers. SMP for neanderthals. ;-)
 
You bet it is - and I know I am far from the only one who feels
that way. Nobody ever complains if car racing, soccer, or
skiing is on and you want to changes channels to football,
hockey, baseball, basketball, or even golf.

You don't travel in the same circles as I do! Soccer is a commie sport
though. ;-)
I'm pretty sceptical about that claim - at least as far as North
American audiences are concerned. I'd be perfectly willing to stipulate
that car racing does indeed have large audiences outside of North
America.

I'm pretty sure he's right. I've seen such numbers many times.
In every pub I've been to in Canada and the US, everyone watches
football, baseball, hockey and basketball, with even golf being
tolerated if there is nothing else on. Soccer and racing of any kind -
whether cars, horse, skiing, running - merely generate requests for the
channel to be changed.

Well, there ya' go. Canuckistanis are simply backwards! NASCAR rules!
(yech!) ;-) Hockey is simply Canuckistan's payback to the world for them
imposing soccer on the rest of us. Golf is fine to snooze by. Baseball
would be a fine sport to read a book by, if they didn't play until 2:30AM.
And anyway I wasn't criticizing AMD for buying advertising on cars
because of the /size/ of the audience, but because of the /kind/ of
audience. Audience size merely determines the price of the ads.

F1 fans aren't the "kind" of audience you approve of? I can understand
looking down one's nose at NASCAR, but... ;-)

I figured that, but I was thinking car parts, tools, tires, fuels,
lubricants, etc - not computers.


If that is the case, why are the American TV networks not showing it ?

They do. Not frequently, but more so than IRL, for instance.
Even up here in the Great White North I get NBC, ABC, Fox, etc., and
their sports programs are dominated by the "ball" sports - with not much
hockey and even less car racing.

As a friend once said, "if it's not got a ball, it's not a "sport".

Did I mention that *HOCKEY SUCKS*? ;-)
Intel's would have been annoyed about *any* advertising coup by AMD - no
matter how big or how small. I just can't begin to believe that this
car racing stuff even remotely qualifies as a big one.

It is. *really*.
Because a significant proportion of the kind of people who watch cars go
round and round like to smoke while they watch ? I think the car
racing audience is/was a far better target for the tobacco industry than
it is for AMD.

It was, but NASCAR has really caught on. It really has taken off, even
with the "normal" yah-hoos. People love it when they take the right turns. ;-)

Me? Football (American style, though Canuckistani is close enough, and
arena not) is the only sport worth spending neuron firings following.
 
keith said:
You don't travel in the same circles as I do! Soccer is a commie sport
though. ;-)


I'm pretty sure he's right. I've seen such numbers many times.


Well, there ya' go. Canuckistanis are simply backwards! NASCAR rules!
(yech!) ;-) Hockey is simply Canuckistan's payback to the world for them
imposing soccer on the rest of us. Golf is fine to snooze by. Baseball
would be a fine sport to read a book by, if they didn't play until 2:30AM.

The NHL used to have an exciting game, but they killed it off
years ago with all that hack-and-slash and dump-and-chase hockey.
The next Gretzky could already be playing, but we'll never get
a chance to find out because every time someone touches the puck
he gets hooked, slashed, tripped, or checked before he can move 2
meters.

I still like to watch the local WHL team play live, though.
(Teens, some already NHL drafted, the rest still trying.)
F1 fans aren't the "kind" of audience you approve of? I can understand
looking down one's nose at NASCAR, but... ;-)

"Approve" isn't the right word. I just don't see them as being
the kind of people who have that AMD can sell chips to. Potato
chips yes, silicon chips no. Advertising computer stuff at a
race track seems every bit as strange to me as advertising Viagra
to a kindergarten class.

And what is the difference between F1 and Nascar ? I thought
they were both just cars going round and round and round and
round. And then you give up on waiting for something to happen
and change the channel - only to find out later that you just
missed a truly spectacular crash.
They do. Not frequently, but more so than IRL, for instance.


As a friend once said, "if it's not got a ball, it's not a "sport".

So skinny little girls at the Olympics dancing around with
ribbons and a pink ball really is a sport ? ;-)
Did I mention that *HOCKEY SUCKS*? ;-)

Not in those exact words, no, but thanks for clarifying your
position.

And if you think hockey is bad, try watching curling. There are
just enough people around here who like curling that during the
big events it can drive everything else off the screens at the
pubs. Life's a bitch.
It is. *really*.


It was, but NASCAR has really caught on. It really has taken off, even
with the "normal" yah-hoos. People love it when they take the right turns. ;-)

Me? Football (American style, though Canuckistani is close enough, and
arena not) is the only sport worth spending neuron firings following.

Moi ? The local WHL hockey team. Toronto BlueJays baseball.
One or two CFL and NFL games a week. The PGA majors. No NHL for
me anymore - not even the playoffs.

And I *really* wish those NFL players would get rid of that
post-touchdown prancing around in the end-zones. They look like
mating dances from a gay bar.
 
George, we agree on lots of things but appear to be destined to
disagree over Dell's business plan (if two people always agree, one of
them is unnecessary :). Dell has been around a long time and their
market share grows and grows and grows, along with their profits.

Hmm, at one time IBM and even DEC/Digital looked to have secure long term
futures, the former everlasting dominance. Dell gets to give Intel desktop
CPUs away for nickels & dimes in return for selling the high ASP server
ones - there is certainly no rooom for AMD in that scenario either way and
it looks awfully precarious as a business model to me. They are also
squeezing mbrd mfr margins, among others, to the point of extinction - a
market "correction", e.g. AMD64 server dominance, could easily reveal it to
be the house of cards it really is IMO.
That's an interesting tip on Emachines. I'm accustomed to assembling
my own PCs, but it would be good to be able to recommend a reliable
inexpensive PC to others.

Caveat survey?? I don't place a lot of faith in them; in fact in the
automotive sector in particular, the "results" seem to me to indicate that
only the stupid people participate.:-)
 
You bet it is - and I know I am far from the only one who feels
that way. Nobody ever complains if car racing, soccer, or
skiing is on and you want to changes channels to football,
hockey, baseball, basketball, or even golf.

No not nobody: one man's meat.......
I'm pretty sceptical about that claim - at least as far as North
American audiences are concerned. I'd be perfectly willing to
stipulate that car racing does indeed have large audiences
outside of North America.

What you think doesn't matter. The "claim" is accurate as stated - nothing
else comes close. In the U.S., NASCAR has a very large following -- as
good an excuse as any other for not raking leaves or cleaning out gutters
-- and has a *long* season. I'm not sure of current figures but it was
certainly true fairly recently that, in the U.S., the total annual
motorsports audience was bigger than any other single sport.
In every pub I've been to in Canada and the US, everyone watches
football, baseball, hockey and basketball, with even golf being
tolerated if there is nothing else on. Soccer and racing of any
kind - whether cars, horse, skiing, running - merely generate
requests for the channel to be changed.

Possibly speaks to many of the people who hang out in pubs with TV feeds --
much of which BTW is obtained/shown illegally -- and of course ball sports
have the gambling angle. Personally I can't be bothered with ball sports
and when "in pub" I prefer to do without the distraction of being fed
"entertainment" anyway.
And anyway I wasn't criticizing AMD for buying advertising on
cars because of the /size/ of the audience, but because of the
/kind/ of audience. Audience size merely determines the price of
the ads.

And what is it about car racing audience that disqualifies them? From my
observations they're a pretty sophisticated bunch who try to gain &
understand some technical knowledge of the sport they watch... and F1 is
the ultimate in high-tech sport. Watching cars go "round and round" is
certainly no worse than watching a group of rich, drug-enhanced fat guys
running around on a padded carpet.
I figured that, but I was thinking car parts, tools, tires,
fuels, lubricants, etc - not computers.

You figured wrongly then - everybody knows that all cars have computers in
them now and computers are used to analyze their performance; racing cars
in particular have extremely sophisticated computer systems, both on-board
and for processing of downloaded data for all parts of the system,
including suspension movement. All the F1 teams use "super-computers" -- a
couple known to use AMD -- in the design & development of every part of
their systems - fans know this and it seems to fit the usual advertizing
msg that the winners are the ones with the best computers... real or
perceived, as with all advertizing.
If that is the case, why are the American TV networks not showing
it ? Even up here in the Great White North I get NBC, ABC, Fox,
etc., and their sports programs are dominated by the "ball"
sports - with not much hockey and even less car racing.

You must be watching the wrong channels at the wrong times... or possibly
your local affiliate filters out according to some perceived local
preferences/prejudices, real or imagined. Motor racing is hardly suited to
the tundra; maybe they figure you'd really all rather watch (re-runs of)
the Ididerod every week?:-)
Intel's would have been annoyed about *any* advertising coup by
AMD - no matter how big or how small. I just can't begin to
believe that this car racing stuff even remotely qualifies as a
big one.

You are wrong then - you only have to look at all the new circuits being
constructed at huge expense around the world -- China, Bahrain, Turkey in
the past couple of years -- and the clamour from those countries to host a
round of the F1 championship.

Intel was not just annoyed - the quote was "furious... incandescent with
rage". They threw a tantrum, not because they'd been excluded but because
they'd have had to share the "stage".
Because a significant proportion of the kind of people who watch
cars go round and round like to smoke while they watch ? I
think the car racing audience is/was a far better target for the
tobacco industry than it is for AMD.

I dunno where you pulled that from - smells worse than an old ashtray.;-)
 
Seems like this is what all the cars-going-round-in-circles fans
have been waiting for
http://www.formula1.com/news/3764.html

4th paragraph =

"The CDG Wing marks the first results of the FIA’s collaboration
with technology partners AMD, researching ways of improving the
aerodynamic performance of a car when trying to overtake."


(IIRC, something at AnandTech led me to that.)
 
Chinese... schminese! What the hell's the difference? Oh yeah Dell is
going to provide a bunch of low-pay jobs in N. Carolina... b-b-but isn't
that also where Lenovo's U.S. operations, with high-pay jobs, is based?
When you look at the content of the systems, it's all Chinese mfr anyway.

Oh, no argument there, I just can't picture the head-honcho in charge
of purchasing all the systems for a US. government department buying
systems from a Chinese-owned company when there is a US-owned
alternative available.
 
I was wondering, "What's in it for AMD?" with regards to doing
(or paying for) work for a sport more boring than watching paint dry.

I think the important issue here is that a LOT of people around the
world do not see Formula 1 as being at all boring. F1 certainly
doesn't get much coverage in North America, but it is very popular in
many other parts of the world, including some important emerging
markets like China and the Middle East. There is also some talk about
growing popularity of the sport in India and possibly even an attempt
to get a race there at some time in the future.
And then I started wondering if this is all just a test bed for
compilers, engineering software, etc. - things that have the
potential to eventually lead to profitable things.

I can't, however, fathom why AMD would buy advertising on race
cars or on the track-side billboards. I have difficulty
imagining that the kind of people who sit at home watching cars
go round and round in circles are the kind of people AMD thinks
they can sell processors to. Now if AMD was in the beef jerky,
beer, or gun industry ...

The F1 crowd may be a bit different then you might think. I
personally love to watch it, though only one part for the racing
aspect. F1 cars are probably some of the largest budget civilian
engineering projects in the world these days. The biggest teams are
apparently spending close to a billion dollars a year on a single
project. The level of complexity and perfection that goes into these
cars is FAR beyond what you will see in any other sport. These are no
backyard mechanics working on these things, but rather some really
top-notch minds doing some pretty cutting edge stuff.

In short, it's definitely not a bad crowd for a tech company to be
associated with.
 
Oh, no argument there, I just can't picture the head-honcho in charge
of purchasing all the systems for a US. government department buying
systems from a Chinese-owned company when there is a US-owned
alternative available.

....you mean like the government would _never_ buy a Chrysler for its
fleet? Lenovo may be Chineese owned, but there is still significant US
content in there. ...as much as there has been in the last ten years or
so, anyway.
 
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